2008/4/27 Hans de Goede <j.w.r.degoede(a)hhs.nl&gt;: The first thing I want to talk about is hardlycorrupted fonts in every (from 2 - Psi and Firefox) of GUI applications. See screenshots: http://peter.fedorapeople.org/bad_fonts.png http://peter.fedorapeople.org/bad_fonts2.png http://peter.fedorapeople.org/bad_fonts3.png http://peter.fedorapeople.org/bad_fonts_psi.png I can't fill bugzilla ticket because I just don't know exactly to what component this issue must be assigned - xorg-x11, some particular driver, some middleware layer as pango/gtk/qt/etc, maybe this is bug in freetype or somethere - I don't know. I can't submit this bug for a list of possible components - I need to choose something (and probably I will make a wrong choose since I'm not a specialist in X.org architecture) This is a issue with a communication part - I can't describe my problem with a more freeform text than bugzilla permits (only one version of distro, only one particular component, only maintainer(s) of current one component). On the other hand bugzilla, this Monster from the 90ies provides us many completely useless (for simple users, Average Joe as me, for example) combinations of Priority/Severity/Status and Resolution. I think that must be only two of them - opened/closed... Summarizing things - I shouting that bugzilla in no way a suitable solution for filling bugs for users then they are don't know anything about internals of issue. More to say - they must look at the Bugzilla as a Labyrinth designed for hiding the solutions within. Fedora tends to be overbloated. More and more dependencies are coming. For example - my bluetooth mouse need a half part of samba to work - can you imagine that? auriga:~ petro$ ssh 192.168.1.67 Last login: Sun Apr 27 17:51:21 2008 from auriga [petro@Sulaco ~]$ sudo yum remove samba* Loaded plugins: fastestmirror Setting up Remove Process Loading mirror speeds from cached hostfile * fedora: ftp.chg.ru * livna-development: mirror.atrpms.net * updates: ftp.chg.ru Resolving Dependencies --> Running transaction check ---> Package samba-common.ppc 0:3.2.0-1.pre2.8.fc9 set to be erased ---> Package samba-winbind.ppc 0:3.2.0-1.pre2.8.fc9 set to be erased --> Processing Dependency: libwbclient.so.0 for package: libsmbclient --> Running transaction check ---> Package libsmbclient.ppc 0:3.2.0-1.pre2.8.fc9 set to be erased --> Processing Dependency: libsmbclient.so.0 for package: gvfs --> Running transaction check ---> Package gvfs.ppc 0:0.2.3-11.fc9 set to be erased --> Processing Dependency: gvfs >= 0.1.11-2 for package: bluez-gnome --> Running transaction check ---> Package bluez-gnome.ppc 0:0.25-1.fc9 set to be erased --> Processing Dependency: dbus-bluez-pin-helper for package: bluez-utils --> Running transaction check ---> Package bluez-utils.ppc 0:3.30-2.fc9 set to be erased --> Finished Dependency Resolution Dependencies Resolved ============================================================================= Package Arch Version Repository Size ============================================================================= Removing: samba-common ppc 3.2.0-1.pre2.8.fc9 installed 50 M samba-winbind ppc 3.2.0-1.pre2.8.fc9 installed 9.1 M Removing for dependencies: bluez-gnome ppc 0.25-1.fc9 installed 624 k bluez-utils ppc 3.30-2.fc9 installed 1.6 M gvfs ppc 0.2.3-11.fc9 installed 4.1 M libsmbclient ppc 3.2.0-1.pre2.8.fc9 installed 4.3 M Transaction Summary ============================================================================= Install 0 Package(s) Update 0 Package(s) Remove 6 Package(s) Is this ok [y/N]: No, this is not OK. Let's simply provide a fedora-9.rpm with all-in-one inside - with tens of langpacks that can't be splitted into their own packages from Firefox because maintainers against it w/o reasons, with huge loads of pictures and icons that can't be removed (hardest dependency!). With current idea of binary deltas we could save bandwidth if this is an issue... Yes, that's reasonable decision. Funny but I more and more time spending working in Mac environment (because of the Fedora issues). One note - Safari complains about bugzilla's query pages (looks like nobody tested them in Safari) -- With best regards!

On Sun, 2008-04-27 at 16:51 +0200, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: I updated my laptop a few days ago (F9/rawhide) and now I'm getting corrupted fonts. It has an Intel 830M using the "intel" driver. It starts out okay but grows worse every few minutes or so. It seems to happen a few characters at a time. It's not just limited to fonts, bitmaps seem to be affected too. So some kind of bug in the pixmap caching? Flipping to a text console and back to X fixes it, but only temporarily. Here's a screenshot after letting it get particularly bad: http://www.flickr.com/photos/ninjaseg/2447596526/ ... While I'm at it, OpenGL no longer works in F9. It used to work beautifully, which was with the "i810" driver mind you, but now OpenGL apps just segfault on startup. On the other hand, 2D works beautifully (other than this new corruption bug). Previously (F8) the "intel" driver didn't work at all with this hardware.

On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 19:19:36 -0500, Callum Lerwick scripst: Just for the sake of bug triage -- could you please try again with Deja fonts? Both you and Peter seem to have some non-standard fonts. Nothing against, it should work anyway, but just to find out more about the nature of the bug. And of course, please, attach your /etc/X11/xorg.conf and /var/log/ Xorg.0.log to the bug. And try to run with /etc/X11/xorg.conf at all and let us know what happens then. Thank you very much in advance, Matěj Cepl -- The content of this message is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution 3.0 License, Some Rights Reserved. http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/us/

Hi. On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 19:19:36 -0500, Callum Lerwick wrote Could that be https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=441665 ?

2008/4/27 Nicolas Mailhot <nicolas.mailhot(a)laposte.net&gt;: Filled a bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=444890 -- With best regards!

2008/5/1 Peter Lemenkov <lemenkov(a)gmail.com&gt;: Just found a solution - commenting out Option "AccelMethod" "exa" solved the issue. Since EXA is obsolete, it's not a solution but rather a workaround. See also http://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15611 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=444890 -- With best regards!

2008/5/2 Ralf Ertzinger <fedora(a)camperquake.de&gt;: Oops! I mean XAA. Sorry for noise. -- With best regards!

On Sun, 2008-04-27 at 18:01 +0400, Peter Lemenkov wrote: Bugzilla does not require you to know to know that much. When it comes to components, you don't need to know. Last time I checked it read: "If necessary, just guess". And when comes to version of the distro, you can easily determine it by clicking "System" and choosing "About fedora". I also believe the version number is visible somewhere during the boot. For other field that bother you, such as "Priority" or "Severity" my advice for you is: Don't be bothered by them if you don't know what they do. Do not touch them. Hm I am wondering why gvfs depends on 50M samba-common. Maybe the samba dependent part could be made into a subpackage? Could you please file a bug report? It would be a nice exercise of filing tickets in Bugzilla, you can utilize the hints from above :o) Noone has to use Safari. In fact, it is usually a pretty bad idea to do so. However it might be nice to have it working there... -- Lubomir Kundrak (Red Hat Security Response Team)

Andrew Farris wrote: I tried it; I get "this script is taking too long" errors.... -Eric

Andrew Farris wrote: Nope, worked for me w/o safari complaining. Though I suppose we're getting off-topic ;) -Eric

If you are having issues and consider yourself to just to be the average user perhaps you should not be so eager to call Fedora 9 completely unusable before it has even been released. I agree with you that filing bugs may be complicated, but it is really not that hard. Just get the bug filed somewhere in there if you do not know where it goes and some one will put it in the right place eventually. All you have to really put into bugzilla is the best description you have for your problem, and some one will tell you how to get the information they are looking for. Brad

On Sun, 2008-04-27 at 18:01 +0400, Peter Lemenkov wrote: File a bug against the X server attach your /var/log/Xorg.0.log and /etc/X11/xorg.conf and a link to the pics above. We can't debug the problem just by screenshot we need the actual log file info. Dave.

On Sun, 2008-04-27 at 14:30 +0400, Peter Lemenkov wrote: I did a downgrade from Fedora 8 to RHEL-5 (FC6 fork). While it needed a lot to be done manually (sorry I don't remember details, roughly it was like: rpm -q --qf '%{name}\n' |xargs yumdownloader rpm --force -Uvh *.rpm I hope you can figure out what can get wrong, and hopefully F9 is not that different from F8 as RHEL5 is from F8. Feel free to grab testing release and test as much as you wish. -- Lubomir Kundrak (Red Hat Security Response Team)