8:50 p.m.
I think it would be nice if the Core could be slimmed down to 2 cds
opposed to 3, just for convenience sake. It seems the main discussion here
has been about the Core size and whether or not anti-virus should be
included in the Core. I think that it would be nice to have the "core" of
the Core composed of the necessities required for the average user on the
first 2 cds, and on a 3 or 4 you could call that the "Core Extras Disk".
This disk would contain other handy utilities and packages that aren't
essential, but that would be nice such as anti-virus. I think what sv has
been trying to say is that this distro is not just a server os, its going
to be used on laptops, workstations, etc...and that AV isn't necessarily a
core component of an operating system. In reality, most os' don't ship
with any AV, thats the reason the AV companies make their money.
It would be very easy for Fedora Core to turn into a huge bloated
distribution, not that would be that bad...it would just be a pain
maintaining it and downloading everything needed to get up and running,
and would come with much more than someone needs. The user doesn't need
more options than they know what to do with. They need a functioning
distro that contains what they need and not a ton of extra things that
they will likely use. So in the big picture I think that a cd filled with
extra components would be the best option for everyone.
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Casey Price
8:56 p.m.
On Mon, 2004-01-05 at 20:50, Casey Price wrote:
In reality, most os' don't ship
with any AV, thats the reason the AV companies make their money.
Arguably, its because OS vendors don't want to be in the AV business.
Designing intelligent virus detection routines is a non-trivial task
that never really ends. An AV suite is only as good as the viruses it
detects, and keeping virus definition files current is vital. These
reasons are why the major players in the AV space have almost exactly
remained the same for the last 10 years (maybe longer?).
I think counting installation CDs is pointless. Media is cheap, disk is
cheap, bandwidth is cheap, and they're only getting cheaper. We
shouldn't use that as an excuse to bloat the distribution, but its not
the right approach to come at it.
I think the Core should be a framework, containing the basic tools and
technologies to cover the majority of general purpose uses. I think the
Core is more than Base (bash, kernel, glibc, etc), but not much more
than is needed for the user to use yum or up2date to customize it to
their liking. Users want package availability with the click of a mouse,
which is why Debian and Gentoo are so popular. We can spend the next 12
years trying to get consensus about where to draw the line, but I would
rather just draw it and get down to building packages to populate Fedora
Extras, so that someone can type "up2date clamav" and pull it out of a
repository immediately after install.
Today its AV, tomorrow it will be foo, the day after that bar... lets
just take what we've got, intelligently trim it down, and call it Core.
Everything else is Extras.
~spot
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novel and highly ingenious, but heretical and, so far as the present
social order is concerned, dangerous and potentially subversive. Not to
be published." -- Aldous Huxley's "Brave New World"
7:15 a.m.
On Mon, 2004-01-05 at 21:56, Tom 'spot' Callaway wrote:
I think the Core should be a framework, containing the basic tools
and
technologies to cover the majority of general purpose uses. I think the
Core is more than Base (bash, kernel, glibc, etc), but not much more
than is needed for the user to use yum or up2date to customize it to
their liking. Users want package availability with the click of a mouse,
While I agree that "click of a mouse" access is great, I also think that
CDs fill an important role. Third parties are likely to sell CD's if
you want to buy. You can carry them over to friends' houses. Have them
when you've taken your laptop on the road. Have them when you move into
a new house without DSL. Distributers are likely to BitTorrent them as
opposed to individual packages.
If the core OS is slimmed down, I'd like to see add-on isos drawn from
Extras released near the same time as Core. Maybe they could be
organized along the lines of "Server Software", "Desktop
Enhancements",
"Toys", etc. As long as dependencies could be worked out, they could
even be yum repositories on a disk.
--
Toshio <toshio(a)tiki-lounge.com>
8:04 a.m.
On Mon, 5 Jan 2004, Tom 'spot' Callaway wrote:
Today its AV, tomorrow it will be foo, the day after that bar...
lets just take what we've got, intelligently trim it down, and call
it Core. Everything else is Extras.
SHREK: Example? Okay, um, distros like onions.
DONKEY: They stink?
SHREK: Yes. No!
DONKEY: They make you cry?
SHREK: No!
DONKEY: You leave them out in the sun, they get all brown, start
sprouting' little white hairs.
SHREK: No! Layers! Onions have layers! Distros have layers! Onions
have layers. You get it? They both have layers. [Sighs]
:-)
-- Paul Heinlein <heinlein(a)madboa.com>
11:53 a.m.
On Mon, 2004-01-05 at 19:56, Tom 'spot' Callaway wrote:
On Mon, 2004-01-05 at 20:50, Casey Price wrote:
> In reality, most os' don't ship
> with any AV, thats the reason the AV companies make their money.
Arguably, its because OS vendors don't want to be in the AV business.
Politically it all depends on how badly the next power outage in the US
is related to a worm/virus attack. There is a reason that Microsoft
bought RAV lately and is working on integrating it into Windows 2005 or
something... the lawyers smell blood in the water.
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