9:35 a.m.
I have been dinged repeatedly in reviews for using the group
Development/Libraries/Java. Every time, I point out that this is a
jpackage.org-derived group, that we have dozens of packages already in
Fedora using this group, that the Group doesn't really matter anyway
since we are using comps.xml to categorize packages, and that I am not
going to change the group name just because rpmlint complains about
it. Can we do one of the following?
(1) Add the handful of jpackage.org Group names that are not on the
official list to the official list so that rpmlint shuts up.
(2) Modify the review guidelines to explicitly say that the contents
of the Group field are effectively garbage, not consumed in any way by
any Fedora tool, so that random text can appear there without
consequence.
It's a waste of reviewer time to keep pointing this out to me, and a
waste of my time to keep having to respond to it.
Darn the lack of facial expressions in email. I just reread my own
message and picked up an angry tone. I'm not angry. I'm a happy guy.
I just want to stop defending the use of jpackage.org groups.
Thanks,
--
Jerry James
http://loganjerry.googlepages.com/
9:41 a.m.
On 03/05/2009 10:35 AM, Jerry James wrote:
Darn the lack of facial expressions in email. I just reread my own
message and picked up an angry tone. I'm not angry. I'm a happy guy.
I just want to stop defending the use of jpackage.org groups.
Thanks,
When F9 dies (and we have RPM 4.6+ in all active branches), I'm going to
revive the proposal that documents that Fedora packages do not need to
use the Group tag at all, and that any use is optional (and that the
content is not regulated).
~spot
12:15 p.m.
>>>> "JJ" == Jerry James
<loganjerry(a)gmail.com> writes:
JJ> I have been dinged repeatedly in reviews for using the group
JJ> Development/Libraries/Java.
Why? We have no guidelines relating to the use of the Group tag. You
can use what you want. If someone's dinging you, they're probably
just parroting an rpmlint complaint. Perhaps it would be more
productive to get the Fedora build of rpmlint to stop complaining
about Group altogether. I don't see a need to add a guideline
indicating that there is no guideline.
- J<
12:34 p.m.
On Thu, 2009-03-05 at 12:15 -0600, Jason L Tibbitts III wrote:
>>>>> "JJ" == Jerry James
<loganjerry(a)gmail.com> writes:
JJ> I have been dinged repeatedly in reviews for using the group
JJ> Development/Libraries/Java.
Why? We have no guidelines relating to the use of the Group tag. You
can use what you want. If someone's dinging you, they're probably
just parroting an rpmlint complaint. Perhaps it would be more
productive to get the Fedora build of rpmlint to stop complaining
about Group altogether. I don't see a need to add a guideline
indicating that there is no guideline.
"Perhaps it would be more productive to get the Fedora build of rpmlint
to stop complaining about Group altogether"
You mean, exactly as Jerry proposed?
--
Adam Williamson
Fedora QA Community Monkey
IRC: adamw | Fedora Talk: adamwill AT fedoraproject DOT org
http://www.happyassassin.net
12:40 p.m.
>>>> "AW" == Adam Williamson
<awilliam(a)redhat.com> writes:
AW> You mean, exactly as Jerry proposed?
I'm not sure what the point of your message was, unless you were
trying to smack me for not reading closely enough in which case I
still don't see the point. However, might I note that what he
proposed (adding extra groups to rpmlint's approved group list) and
what I proposed (stop rpmlint complaining about the Group: tag
altogether) are not the same thing?
- J<
1:01 p.m.
On Thu, 2009-03-05 at 12:40 -0600, Jason L Tibbitts III wrote:
>>>>> "AW" == Adam Williamson
<awilliam(a)redhat.com> writes:
AW> You mean, exactly as Jerry proposed?
I'm not sure what the point of your message was, unless you were
trying to smack me for not reading closely enough in which case I
still don't see the point. However, might I note that what he
proposed (adding extra groups to rpmlint's approved group list) and
what I proposed (stop rpmlint complaining about the Group: tag
altogether) are not the same thing?
sorry, I obviously got up on the cranky side of bed this morning...:)
--
Adam Williamson
Fedora QA Community Monkey
IRC: adamw | Fedora Talk: adamwill AT fedoraproject DOT org
http://www.happyassassin.net
1:21 p.m.
On Thu, 2009-03-05 at 10:16 -0900, Jeff Spaleta wrote:
On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 10:01 AM, Adam Williamson
<awilliam(a)redhat.com> wrote:
> sorry, I obviously got up on the cranky side of bed this morning...:)
I have that problem..every morning. In hindsight the 70's era circular
bed was a bad investment.
Similar problem here - the bed's up against the wall, so only one side
is accessible.
LOVE ME SOME CRANKY
--
Adam Williamson
Fedora QA Community Monkey
IRC: adamw | Fedora Talk: adamwill AT fedoraproject DOT org
http://www.happyassassin.net
2:02 p.m.
On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 12:01 PM, Adam Williamson <awilliam(a)redhat.com> wrote:
On Thu, 2009-03-05 at 12:40 -0600, Jason L Tibbitts III wrote:
> I'm not sure what the point of your message was, unless you were
> trying to smack me for not reading closely enough in which case I
> still don't see the point. However, might I note that what he
> proposed (adding extra groups to rpmlint's approved group list) and
> what I proposed (stop rpmlint complaining about the Group: tag
> altogether) are not the same thing?
sorry, I obviously got up on the cranky side of bed this morning...:)
Hey, I'm not feeling cranky at all and I like Jason's suggestion
better than mine. :-)
--
Jerry "I've been feeling great since I started loving the bomb" James
http://loganjerry.googlepages.com/
1:46 p.m.
Le jeudi 05 mars 2009 à 12:15 -0600, Jason L Tibbitts III a écrit :
>>>>> "JJ" == Jerry James
<loganjerry(a)gmail.com> writes:
JJ> I have been dinged repeatedly in reviews for using the group
JJ> Development/Libraries/Java.
Why? We have no guidelines relating to the use of the Group tag. You
can use what you want. If someone's dinging you, they're probably
just parroting an rpmlint complaint. Perhaps it would be more
productive to get the Fedora build of rpmlint to stop complaining
about Group altogether. I don't see a need to add a guideline
indicating that there is no guideline.
People take what rpmlint says as the letter of the law because it's too
convenient. That is not going to change.
It would IMHO do a lot of good if FPC reviewed all the existing rpmlint
errors and warnings, had the ones Fedora does not care about disabled in
our package, and asked its maintainer to pass new ones for review before
they're activated.
--
Nicolas Mailhot
3:05 p.m.
Nicolas Mailhot wrote:
Le jeudi 05 mars 2009 à 12:15 -0600, Jason L Tibbitts III a écrit :
>>>>>> "JJ" == Jerry James <loganjerry(a)gmail.com>
writes:
> JJ> I have been dinged repeatedly in reviews for using the group
> JJ> Development/Libraries/Java.
>
> Why? We have no guidelines relating to the use of the Group tag. You
> can use what you want. If someone's dinging you, they're probably
> just parroting an rpmlint complaint. Perhaps it would be more
> productive to get the Fedora build of rpmlint to stop complaining
> about Group altogether. I don't see a need to add a guideline
> indicating that there is no guideline.
People take what rpmlint says as the letter of the law because it's too
convenient. That is not going to change.
It would IMHO do a lot of good if FPC reviewed all the existing rpmlint
errors and warnings, had the ones Fedora does not care about disabled in
our package, and asked its maintainer to pass new ones for review before
they're activated.
I can see the attraction in this but I'd rather continue to just pass
specific instances that should be disabled to the maintainer as they
come up. There's a lot of rpmlint warnings that are exactly that: This
could be a problem but may not be. Without specific examples of when
the warning is right and when it is wrong as will be brought up when a
conflict over rpmlint's messages arise, it will be hard for the
Packaging Committee to make an informed decision.
-Toshio
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