Simon's FUDCon zikula session notes
by Mel Chua
Simon Birtwistle's talk, just completed, on zikula - a CMS that's going
to be used by Docs and Marketing and News (in various ways for each). It
was awesomeness, and the crowd was fun.
http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fudcon-room-2/2009-12-05/fudcon-room-2.2...
Max and I had this transcribing-tag-team-thing going on here, so the
full logs are pretty complete (WOO! LOGS!) - we ended with a game plan
for the hackfest on Sunday and Monday, which I'll post shortly.
--Mel
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Fedora 13 Draft Schedule
by John Poelstra
Greetings,
Below are some links to the schedule I've drafted for Fedora 13. Most of
it is automatically generated based on how we built the Fedora 12 schedule.
Here are a few different views:
http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-13-draft/f-13-docs-tasks.html
http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-13-draft/f-13-docs-and-trans...
In some cases the tasks may not line up correctly for Fedora 13 which
I'll need to know about. In others you may want to make adjustments
based on how things went during Fedora 12. That is perfectly fine too :)
I would like to review this in person at FUDCon on Sunday (2009-12-06)
during one of the hackfest sessions. In the meantime feel free to reply
with obvious errors or changes you'd like me to make before we meet.
Look forward to talking soon.
John
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Documentation Desktop Presentation
by John J. McDonough
Last night at our meeting we had a discussion of options for presenting
installed documentation. By way of background, we have traditionally
provided the Release Notes and the About Fedora document in yelp. A few
other documents were placed in the /usr/share/doc/HTML directory prior
to Fedora 11, but no links were provided to those documents. Some were
actually in html, others were plain text. As of Fedora 12, all the
documents are available in html, html-single and pdf, but only the
Release Notes and About Fedora are installed by default, and only a
handful (maybe one) are available as installable packages.
Publican packages documents as a single language per package, which can
be extremely clumsy if one wants multiple languages. However, the
package creation is totally automatic and hence appealing. Release
Notes have been traditionally packaged manually, and that has continued
since converting to Publican.
There are also delivery alternatives, but I see them as a separate
issue, so I have focused solely on the presentation under the assumption
we are including documentation that has been installed via traditional
Fedora installation vehicles.
I've put together the presentation options as I see them at:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Desktop_Documentation_Presentation_Options
I am sure there are other possibilities, and there must be advantages
and disadvantages to all the options that I overlooked. I would ask you
to review the wiki page and ADD TO IT. Document issues and advantages
of any of the schemes that you can recognize, and also ideas for other
approaches.
Thanks
--McD
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Docs Meeting 2009-12-03 Summary
by Eric Christensen
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Meeting started by Sparks at 00:00:29 UTC. The full logs are available
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http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2009-12-03/fedora-meeting...
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* Roll Call (Sparks, 00:00:35)
* Docs Project Leader Elections (Sparks, 00:05:42)
* LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_Project_Leader_Elections
(Sparks, 00:06:03)
* ACTION: Sparks to remain Docs Leader for another year. (Sparks,
00:12:05)
* Release Notes (Sparks, 00:17:50)
* LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=538159
(Sparks, 00:52:21)
* ACTION: jjmcd to summarize discussion on wiki (jjmcd, 00:58:39)
* ACTION: jjmcd to summarize discussion on wiki (jjmcd, 00:59:43)
* docs.fedoraproject.org (Sparks, 01:08:22)
* LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=543540 (Sparks,
01:08:33)
* Guide Status (Sparks, 01:18:00)
* New Guides (Sparks, 01:25:40)
* Status on CMS (Zikula) (Sparks, 01:26:32)
* LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Zikula#Module_status (Sparks,
01:26:41)
* Outstanding BZ Tickets (Sparks, 01:39:41)
* LINK:
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&classificat...
(Sparks, 01:40:26)
* All other business (Sparks, 01:41:44)
* LINK:
http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-announce-list/2009-December/msg0000...
(ianweller, 01:47:46)
Meeting ended at 01:51:37 UTC.
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* Sparks to remain Docs Leader for another year.
* jjmcd to summarize discussion on wiki
* jjmcd to summarize discussion on wiki
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* jjmcd
* jjmcd to summarize discussion on wiki
* jjmcd to summarize discussion on wiki
* Sparks
* Sparks to remain Docs Leader for another year.
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* jjmcd (98)
* ianweller (25)
* rudi (20)
* ke4qqq (20)
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Docs Meeting 2009-12-03 IRC log
by Eric Christensen
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00:00:29 <Sparks> #startmeeting Docs Project Meeting - Agenda:
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_Project_meetings
00:00:29 <zodbot> Meeting started Thu Dec 3 00:00:29 2009 UTC. The
chair is Sparks. Information about MeetBot at
http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
00:00:30 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea
#link #topic.
00:00:35 <Sparks> #topic Roll Call
00:00:36 * Sparks
00:00:41 * danielsmw
00:00:53 * jjmcd .
00:01:03 * bcotton is here
00:01:21 * ianweller
00:02:05 <Sparks> Wow! Lots of people here tonight!
00:02:33 <jjmcd> Mssr. Landmann indicated he was swamped today so I'm
not sure we'll see him
00:02:45 <bcotton> wow it's like every party i've ever hosted
00:03:16 <Sparks> jjmcd: Figures... just when we have complaints on his
work... :)
00:03:25 <jjmcd> heh
00:04:49 <Sparks> speak of the devil
00:04:50 <jjmcd> Hey look
00:05:25 <Sparks> Okay, let's get started
00:05:42 <Sparks> #topic Docs Project Leader Elections
00:06:03 <Sparks> #link
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_Project_Leader_Elections
00:06:28 <Sparks> So would anyone else like to nominate anyone to head
up this awesome project?
00:07:05 <jjmcd> I heard a rumor about ianweller
00:07:11 <jjmcd> somewhere
00:07:14 <Sparks> jjmcd: You know, I heard that too
00:07:21 <ianweller> i'm honored but i have zero time
00:07:26 <ianweller> it's my senior year in high school :P
00:07:27 <Sparks> must not be a rumor anymore if more than me heard it
00:07:40 * Sparks thought the senior year was the slack off year
00:07:42 <jjmcd> Well, at least it's non-negative like the rest of us
00:08:02 * danielsmw confirms Sparks assertion
00:08:03 <Sparks> heh
00:08:54 <ianweller> :)
00:08:59 <ianweller> i would slack off but my extra curriculars are insane
00:09:04 <Sparks> Okay so am I the only one up for this job?
00:09:18 <jjmcd> I think so
00:09:19 <danielsmw> *nod*
00:09:20 * Sparks thinks ianweller will have some other kind of excuse
for next year
00:09:33 <jjmcd> Seems to say not too many are upset with the job you
are doing
00:09:57 <Sparks> Okay... all in favor of continuing to have me head
this monster up.
00:10:04 <jjmcd> +1
00:10:09 <bcotton> +1
00:10:10 <danielsmw> +1
00:10:10 <ianweller> +1
00:10:28 <ianweller> unless you really don't want it :P
00:11:05 <Sparks> and then what?
00:11:13 <danielsmw> then we're headless.
00:11:20 <jjmcd> give it back to stickster
00:11:23 <Sparks> we're close to that now
00:11:29 <Sparks> where is stickster_afk anyway?
00:11:38 <danielsmw> he's afk...
00:11:44 <danielsmw> :)
00:11:45 <jjmcd> I think he is still vacationing
00:11:47 <Sparks> okay... so I guess I'm hired on for another year.
00:11:54 <ianweller> jjmcd: no, he's been back
00:12:05 <Sparks> #action Sparks to remain Docs Leader for another year.
00:12:09 <jjmcd> Didn't he tweet like he had a couple more days he was
going to try to play with the kids
00:12:30 <Sparks> ya
00:15:56 <jjmcd> So Sparks is steeling himself with another brandy
00:16:29 <Sparks> jjmcd: SPC just issued a PDS for NC where my folks
lived. Had to give them a call.
00:16:39 <Sparks> Okay... well thanks for the vote of support... I think.
00:16:55 <jjmcd> just days before SRD, too
00:17:29 * Sparks makes a note to talk to stickster_afk about his pay
raise now that he's tenured.
00:17:50 <Sparks> #topic Release Notes
00:18:05 <Sparks> jjmcd: So you want to talk about Yelp v. HTML
00:18:07 <jjmcd> I bet he would go for a 10% hike if you ask nice
00:18:14 <jjmcd> Yeah, here's the deal
00:18:22 <jjmcd> We currently use yelp to display RNs
00:18:42 <jjmcd> This gives us automatic language selection and
integration with the rest of gnome help
00:18:59 <jjmcd> yelp has some limits, tho, and it doesn't help our KDE
users
00:19:23 <jjmcd> Jeff Fearn suggested some javascript so we could get
the lang selection in html
00:19:50 <jjmcd> I had to fix his script, but it does work. We can get
automatic language selection of RNs in both Gnome and KDE
00:20:05 <jjmcd> Downside is that it is no longer integrated with the
rest of help
00:20:25 <jjmcd> Upsides it gets us KDE and gets away from some yelp
clumsiness.
00:21:00 <Sparks> jjmcd: Should we also discuss what shaunm (from GNOME)
said?
00:21:00 <jjmcd> I wanted to get peoples thoughts on that .. basically a
separate menu choice under Documentation for RNs, under System in KDE
00:21:07 <jjmcd> Yes,
00:21:44 <jjmcd> shaunm indicated that the current langiage selection
scheme in yelp will be changed, and we might be able to integrate html
too, in yelp 3.0
00:21:50 <jjmcd> but I have no idea the timeline
00:22:12 <Sparks> jjmcd: He also wants to have a meeting in March to
discuss documentation...
00:22:26 <Sparks> so this might be a way to have a single file go into
GNOME and KDE similarly.
00:22:44 <jjmcd> Of course, we have no idea what the Publican/Yelp
issues are in the new scheme. And yes, he wants to get together to get
something that may be even more cool
00:22:59 <Sparks> I'm going to speculate here... there may be fixes
coming soon in Yelp that may fix some of the problems we've seen recently.
00:23:15 <Sparks> and then there is the idea that abadger1999 had
00:23:19 <jjmcd> With the html, the only thing we add for KDE is a
.desktop file
00:23:26 <jjmcd> which was
00:23:36 <Sparks> which is to provide a separate, non-packaging means,
to getting documentation to the desktop
00:23:51 <Sparks> probably through PackageKit
00:24:07 <jjmcd> Oh yeah. I got to admit I saw that as something a
little far out, but certainly we ought to explore it.
00:24:14 <abadger1999> (Note: my idea will need coding work to see the
light of day)
00:24:37 <jjmcd> At this point it is hard to see what we might get that
would go beyond rpm that would be useful
00:24:48 <jjmcd> But then I'm an old fogey with limited imagination
00:24:56 <Sparks> abadger1999: Ya... but definitely worth mentioning!
00:25:21 * Sparks whacks jjmcd with an imagination stick
00:25:27 <Tsagadai-netbook> Sparks, is there any reason why we can't use
RPMs?
00:25:27 <jjmcd> Some time back we talked abuot a separate rpm repo
because we might want to have a LOT of packages
00:25:51 <rudi> FWIW, in RHEL, we add a .desktop file for GNOME too
00:26:03 <Sparks> Tsagadai-netbook: There are some issues to using
RPMs... and two ways to package the languages... and pros and cons for eac
00:26:13 <Sparks> s/eac/each
00:26:17 <jjmcd> Tsagadai-netbook, I think the discussion was that if we
looked specifically at content, there might be additional useful
functionality
00:26:27 <rudi> Which is, I guess, RHEL's way of getting around the "no
longer integrated with the rest of help" issue
00:26:57 <rudi> (whether stand-alone documentation belongs in help is a
different (and religious!) question)
00:27:15 <jjmcd> rudi, I agree that one might make the argument either way
00:27:34 <jjmcd> I am always concerned when I talk about changing how
things look to the user
00:28:19 <jjmcd> Personally, I would like to see the guides in yelp,
too. But I don't want to write all the .omf's
00:28:31 <Sparks> I, personally, would like to get everyone in the know
in a room together and hash out this entire issue
00:29:03 <rudi> Sparks -- with pointy sticks?
00:29:04 <jjmcd> Second choice would be a doc menu with the Jeff
language solution (and smarter ,.desktop files for the guides)
00:29:38 <Sparks> rudi: pointy sticks not required. There are so many
ideas it's hard to get them all out asyncronously or via IRC
00:30:06 <jjmcd> Well, if we do it in yelp I think we should also do it
in khelpcenter, and I'm not so sure I want to do that, either
00:31:05 <jjmcd> Sparks, you got that right. What we need is some sort
of web page where everyone could put their ideas
00:31:11 <rudi> I'm still working on a proof-of-concept package for the
Install Guide to see whether Yelp can render a doc of that size and
complexity at all
00:31:20 <Sparks> Anyone know when the next FUDCon NA will be?
00:31:29 <jjmcd> hmmmm
00:31:33 <Sparks> jjmcd: Like... ummm... a wiki?
00:31:44 <jjmcd> Maybe something like that, yeah
00:31:50 <Sparks> does yelp == khelpcenter?
00:32:02 <jjmcd> functionally similar
00:32:13 <Sparks> same file types?
00:32:24 <jjmcd> WHAT? Are you nuts?
00:32:26 <Sparks> errr
00:32:40 <Sparks> Can I take the same file and have each render the file
similarly?
00:33:05 <Sparks> I'm guessing not
00:33:09 <jjmcd> Acually, I think khelpcenter is looking for html, yelp
wants xml
00:33:11 <Sparks> which goes on my shopping list for March
00:34:08 <jjmcd> So are you going to come to chi in march?
00:34:26 <jjmcd> Still pretty cold in the windy city
00:34:31 <Sparks> jjmcd: If I must. I think I can take the train for <$180
00:34:51 <jjmcd> how many days?
00:35:17 <Sparks> 1
00:35:27 <Sparks> ish
00:35:31 <jjmcd> surprised, I figgered it would be 3
00:35:35 <Sparks> nah
00:35:46 <Sparks> it's a short(er) trip
00:36:34 <Sparks> Of course I haven't received my official invitation or
found a golden ticket in a candy bar, yet
00:37:03 <Sparks> IMO, we need to be working with Yelp upstream to see
what's coming down.
00:37:12 <jjmcd> shaunm didn't say exactly where yet, either
00:37:28 <Sparks> If it's going to be a complete drag then we can go
with html on the desktop
00:37:46 <jjmcd> I would hope something close to ORD
00:37:58 <jjmcd> With Jeff's code the HTML isn't all that awful
00:38:00 <Sparks> but if we could integrate better into Yelp and
khelpcenter then I feel that it might be better that way. Just my
opinion, though
00:38:10 <jjmcd> I agree with that
00:38:47 <jjmcd> Some people don't like that with yelp you get yelp's
rendering, rather than playing with your own stylesheets
00:38:54 <jjmcd> But as far as I'm concerned, its one less thing to mess
with
00:40:04 <Sparks> Yelp helps with accessibility, though
00:40:28 <jjmcd> yep
00:40:51 <Tsagadai-netbook> Sparks, if you have a travel budget I'll
happily come and visit :)
00:40:51 <Sparks> rudi: Are you in cahoots with khelpcenter upstream?
00:41:05 <rudi> Sparks, no
00:41:19 <Sparks> Tsagadai-netbook: A travel budget? Yeah, it's 10% of
whatever stickster_afk pays me
00:41:22 <rudi> But I *can* confirm that the help docs are in html
00:41:30 <Sparks> Tsagadai-netbook: not sure you can get very far on
that, though
00:41:43 <rudi> Just looking at them now in /usr/share/doc/HTML/
00:42:10 <Sparks> rudi: cool. It'd be nice if both were using the same
format
00:42:24 <Sparks> maybe we should get both to implement the other format
they aren't supporting
00:42:41 <rudi> Agreed. GNOME should just fork HelpCenter
00:43:11 <Tsagadai-netbook> I was joking :)
00:43:17 <Sparks> Tsagadai-netbook: :)
00:43:24 <Sparks> Tsagadai-netbook: You can still come, though
00:43:34 <jjmcd> It is interesting. Yelp is more appealing because the
index doesn't point to hundreds of help files. For some reason, KDE
seems to insist on a manual even if its empty
00:43:37 <Tsagadai-netbook> I intend to at some stage
00:43:50 * rudi would love to get to one too :)
00:43:59 * Tsagadai-netbook has not been to that continent yet :)
00:44:17 * jjmcd hasn't been to rudi's continent
00:44:35 * Sparks wants to visit AU
00:44:42 <Sparks> but is scared he might stay
00:45:00 <Sparks> Okay... just to recap
00:45:04 <jjmcd> been to europe and asia but hasn't yet been to any of
those upside-down continents
00:45:32 <Sparks> Plan A is to work with upstream Yelp and possibly
khelpcenter to work out the issues we are having
00:45:40 <Sparks> Plan B is to just put HTML on the desktop
00:45:43 <Sparks> is there a Plan C?
00:45:55 <Tsagadai-netbook> I'd say plan B is better :)
00:46:05 <Tsagadai-netbook> we know browsers work
00:46:07 <jjmcd> Well, providing for khelpcenter IS html for now
00:46:21 <jjmcd> Tsagadai-netbook, we had serious doubts this morning
00:46:30 <rudi> We should also find out what Xfce uses
00:46:35 <Tsagadai-netbook> jjmcd, about browsers?
00:46:39 <jjmcd> And based on Jeff's recent comment to my bug, maybe still
00:46:39 <Sparks> yeah and Sugar
00:46:48 <rudi> Since that seems to be getting some traction
00:46:52 <jjmcd> Tsagadai-netbook, yeah
00:46:55 <Tsagadai-netbook> Moblin doesn't have working help on fedora :)
00:47:14 <Tsagadai-netbook> so we can skip it for now :)
00:47:35 <rudi> LXDE?
00:47:42 <Tsagadai-netbook> jjmcd, I missed the "morning" discussion.
What's wrong with browsers?
00:48:24 <jjmcd> We were having inconsistencies in detecting the
language browser to browser. Sounds like it is still a problem on RHEL,
but for Fedora I think I have a workaround
00:49:00 <jjmcd> Still have quite a few to test, tho. Certainly we will
fail on Mosaic and Dillo and probably others
00:49:25 <jjmcd> Tsagadai-netbook, we have like a dozen browsers on Fedora
00:49:41 <Tsagadai-netbook> jjmcd, do we need to support the obscure ones?
00:49:57 <Tsagadai-netbook> or just file bugs with the projects that
they don't display properly
00:50:13 <jjmcd> Well, if someone chooses Dillo as their default I can't
say I have a lot of sympathy for them
00:50:28 * Tsagadai-netbook notes there are a dozen browsers on fedora
but they all have a marketshare smaller than IE4
00:50:34 <jjmcd> But Mosaic, heck, that is THE classic
00:50:48 <Tsagadai-netbook> works on elinks and lynx
00:50:56 <Tsagadai-netbook> what more could people want?
00:51:18 <jjmcd> Well, Jeff wasn't very receptive to making lynx work on
rhel
00:51:52 <jjmcd> see BZ#538159
00:52:05 <Sparks> .bug 538159
00:52:07 <bugbot_> Bug
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=538159 low, low,
- ---, jfearn, NEW, Publican should package multiple languages
00:52:07 <zodbot> Sparks: Bug 538159 Publican should package multiple
languages - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=538159
00:52:08 <bugbot_> Bug 538159: low, low, ---, jfearn, NEW, Publican
should package multiple languages
00:52:21 <Sparks> #link
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=538159
00:52:23 <bugbot_> Bug 538159: low, low, ---, jfearn, NEW, Publican
should package multiple languages
00:53:01 <Sparks> doh!
00:53:25 <jjmcd> bugbot, zodbot, these computers are taking over
00:53:50 <Sparks> jjmcd: Is there a standard for rendering languages
like what we're asking it to do?
00:54:14 <Sparks> If there is and they aren't meeting it then we can
file bugs against those browsers for it.
00:54:26 <jjmcd> It seems like the issue is around the DOM and how it
interacts with JS. Every browser interprets JS differently
00:54:49 <jjmcd> I haven't even attempted IE, I be that will be a whole
new experience
00:55:16 * Sparks doesn't like js
00:55:23 <jjmcd> But since I am looking at Fedora help menu items, I
don't think IE will be a big issue
00:55:31 <jjmcd> nor I, Sparks
00:56:03 <jjmcd> But I bet if I said <SCRIPT LANG="vbasic" I wouldn't
get very far
00:56:28 <Sparks> *snicker*
00:56:54 <jjmcd> In these days of AJAX, tho, you can't avoid it
00:57:59 <Sparks> Okay. well I think we are spinning our wheels at this
point.
00:58:11 <jjmcd> Sparks, do you want an rpm so you can study it?
00:58:15 <Sparks> we need to get this information into a wiki page so we
can see it all.
00:58:29 <Sparks> a multi lang rpm? sure
00:58:39 <jjmcd> #action jjmcd to summarize discussion on wiki
00:58:54 <jjmcd> oops you didn't turn me on, oh well
00:59:32 <Sparks> I think it did it anyway. I don't think there is any
feedback on that command
00:59:36 <Sparks> #chair jjmcd
00:59:36 <zodbot> Current chairs: Sparks jjmcd
00:59:43 <jjmcd> #action jjmcd to summarize discussion on wiki
01:00:13 <jjmcd> huh - wasn;t it #action? Must be we don't want to do that
01:00:14 <Sparks> jjmcd: I'd like the wiki page to show something along
the lines of each plan... and an area to put PROs and CONs... thoughts?
01:00:27 <jjmcd> yeah
01:00:38 <jjmcd> And pehaps fantasies for yelp 4.0
01:00:46 <Sparks> ya
01:01:37 <Sparks> Just a quick poll... If we had a FAD at an upcoming
FUDCon... could people make Boston, Raleigh, or a point on the west
coast (of the US) easier?
01:02:29 * Sparks thinks everyone went to sleep...
01:02:40 <jjmcd> depends on the time of year
01:02:56 <jjmcd> You gotta be nuts to go to Boston in the winter,
Raleigh in the summer
01:03:46 <Sparks> Raleigh is great in the summer...
01:03:59 <jjmcd> although I have been known to go to Edmonton in the
winter and Houston in the summer so there's no accounting
01:05:08 <jjmcd> Why not something temperate like NYC or Philly or
central like Chi
01:05:17 <Sparks> I don't know
01:05:41 <Sparks> They have traditionally been in Boston. My first one
was in Raleigh a couple of years ago. It rocked.
01:05:50 <bcotton> West Lafayette is beautiful year round :-)
01:05:53 <jjmcd> NYC, Chi, Denver, Mineapolis, Atlanta - easy to get to
01:06:50 <Sparks> Okay... just open thoughts from someone who can't
control the tides much less the next FUDCon
01:06:57 <jjmcd> hehe
01:07:03 <Sparks> Anything else on the release notes before moving on?
01:08:22 <Sparks> #topic docs.fedoraproject.org
01:08:33 <Sparks> #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=543540
01:08:34 <bugbot_> Bug 543540: medium, low, ---, eric, ASSIGNED,
Usability of http://docs.fedoraproject.org/ is poor
01:08:53 <Sparks> So there is a complaint against the way our webpage is
designed
01:09:17 <jjmcd> You can't fight the Schneemann curve
01:10:10 <Sparks> so has Mizmo evaluated the latest work?
01:11:15 <Sparks> just out of curiosity
01:11:32 <rudi> We would *love* to be able to do away with manually
selecting languages
01:11:40 <Sparks> yes
01:11:51 <Sparks> which is something that Zikula was supposed to help us
with
01:11:53 <rudi> And inheriting that from the Fedora start page or from
the user's browser
01:11:59 <rudi> Absoluitely
01:12:32 <Sparks> Is this something we want to deal with or just put
that effort in getting Zikula up and running
01:13:27 <rudi> My inclination is "wait for Zikiula"
01:13:30 <jjmcd> Will zikula answer the problem or just make it harder
to fix?
01:13:39 <rudi> But I'll take a closer look at the suggestion
01:13:51 <Sparks> I think it will answer the problem but if not it will
change what we have to fix
01:14:05 <Sparks> rudi: do you want to grab the ticket?
01:14:11 <rudi> OK
01:14:29 <Sparks> either way we will not have this problem by F13...
knock on wood
01:14:52 <rudi> Oh G-d please yes
01:15:03 <jjmcd> dreamer
01:15:34 <Sparks> Hopefully next week we'll have some more information
on Zikula
01:17:46 <Sparks> Okay... moving on
01:18:00 <Sparks> #topic Guide Status
01:18:18 <Sparks> Anyone have anything they'd like to talk about on
their guides?
01:18:50 <Sparks> I will note that the accessibility guide (english) got
pushed to update repo today
01:20:21 <jjmcd> Don't like those other languages?
01:20:42 <Sparks> I'm waiting for the Transifex upgrade...
01:21:01 <jjmcd> wuss
01:21:23 <Sparks> Okay... THEY are waiting for...
01:23:24 <Sparks> I might suggest we go the old way if we get close to F13
01:23:51 <Sparks> I think radsy got his photos squared away in the
wireless guide so that should be coming to a desktop near you soon
01:24:21 <Sparks> anything else?
01:24:47 * ke4qqq is here, but way late
01:24:57 <jjmcd> WOW
01:25:32 <Sparks> ke4qqq: Nah, just in time!
01:25:40 <Sparks> #topic New Guides
01:25:46 <Sparks> Any new guides out there?
01:26:32 <Sparks> #topic Status on CMS (Zikula)
01:26:41 <Sparks> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Zikula#Module_status
01:26:49 * ke4qqq knew I should have kept my mouth shut :)
01:26:56 <Sparks> :)
01:27:02 <Sparks> No! Glad you are here!
01:27:19 <Sparks> I think there is to be some work done this weekend at
FUDCon.
01:27:49 <ke4qqq> yep
01:28:11 <ke4qqq> they have worked on cleaning up some of the licesning
stuff in a few modules recently
01:28:55 <Sparks> excellent
01:29:08 <Sparks> So you'll have it rolled out and ready by 2010?
01:29:22 <ke4qqq> well insight at least :)
01:29:48 <ke4qqq> but that's a big chunk of the work for docs.
01:30:38 <Sparks> what's the delta?
01:30:52 <ke4qqq> while I am not able to go to fudcon - (thursday and
friday travel problems) but I'll be participating sat and sun remotely.
01:31:16 <Sparks> ke4qqq: Cool
01:31:56 * Sparks should probably do the same
01:34:05 <Sparks> ke4qqq: Do we know what the delta is between Insight
and what we want?
01:35:34 <ke4qqq> just modules largely
01:35:49 <Sparks> Are those modules built?
01:35:53 <ke4qqq> and essentially that we are using more of them than
they are
01:36:00 <ke4qqq> about 65/35 at the moment
01:36:08 <ke4qqq> everything that isn't built is a licensing issue
01:36:17 <ke4qqq> though those are becoming fewer by the minute
01:36:34 <Sparks> cool
01:36:41 <ke4qqq> well week perhaps
01:36:52 <Sparks> :)
01:37:10 <Sparks> Has the remote instructions posted somewhere for the
FUDCon?
01:37:27 <Sparks> Have the remote instructions been posted somewhere for
the FUDCon?
01:37:50 <ke4qqq> not that I know of
01:38:10 <Sparks> ok
01:38:24 <Sparks> anything else on the Zikula homefront?
01:38:50 <ke4qqq> nothing from me - aside from the fact 1.2.0 was
released a few weeks ago
01:39:01 <ke4qqq> and cures a lot of problems we've asked for fixes for
01:39:12 <ke4qqq> among other things
01:39:25 <Sparks> cool
01:39:36 <Sparks> Okay, moving on
01:39:41 <Sparks> #topic Outstanding BZ Tickets
01:40:26 <Sparks> #link
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&classificat...
01:40:57 <Sparks> I'm not going to go through all the outstanding
tickets but if you can close some please do so!
01:41:33 <Sparks> We've been doing pretty well, lately.
01:41:44 <Sparks> #topic All other business
01:41:51 <Sparks> Okay, anything else?
01:42:08 <ianweller> i wanna praise the docs team this release
01:42:11 <ianweller> we did some really cool stuff
01:42:20 <Sparks> agreed
01:42:21 <ianweller> i know i wasn't involved in a lot of it, mostly
zikula (slightly) and relicensing
01:42:54 <Sparks> We doubled the number of guides we had from F11 and
completely moved to Publican which we've been trying to do for a while.
01:43:40 <ianweller> and got ourselves off a content island. woo! :)
01:43:46 <Sparks> :)
01:43:46 * ke4qqq notes he just got paged out for a server failure
01:43:59 <Sparks> ke4qqq: Bah... we know better than that
01:44:14 <ke4qqq> +1 the docs team this release did awesome work - I
wish I could have participated more, you guys made it look easy and did
great work
01:44:17 <ke4qqq> Sparks: I wish
01:44:38 * Sparks notes that the AU team made it look easy for us
01:45:19 <Sparks> Okay, anything else before I close out this very
productive meeting?
01:46:43 <ianweller> oh
01:46:56 <ianweller> if you ahven't read it on f-announce-list, there's
an infrastructure move this weekend
01:47:00 <ianweller> er
01:47:01 <ianweller> next weekend
01:47:09 <Sparks> yeah... BIG move
01:47:18 <ianweller> moving most of our core servers
01:47:27 <ianweller> wiki will be down for sure, i think CVS is too, and
accounts system might be down
01:47:33 <ianweller> so. just a friendly reminder :)
01:47:46 <ianweller>
http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-announce-list/2009-December/msg0000...
01:48:25 <Sparks> why is the move occuring?
01:48:36 <ianweller> so that infra can expand more in the PHX location
01:48:37 <ianweller> mostly
01:48:59 <ianweller> "This move is planned to be completed on December
15th and
01:48:59 <ianweller> will ultimately provide better hosting facilities
and room for growth.
01:49:59 <ianweller> Sparks: i'm done :)
01:50:21 <Sparks> cool
01:50:26 <Sparks> Okay, anyone have anything else?
01:51:34 <Sparks> Okay, thanks everyone for coming out today.
01:51:37 <Sparks> #endmeeting
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