On Tue, 2006-10-03 at 14:52 -0400, Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote:
On Tue, 3 Oct 2006, Sam Folk-Williams wrote:
> I guess my question is, how could this have happened? How could nothing
> have been gathered in all this time? Also, why did this just now become
> an urgent thing?
Just because it's a new problem to you doesn't mean that it's a new
problem. It just means that it's a new problem to you.
Point taken. The reason for my question is that it came to the list as a
last minute thing.
It's worth pointing out at this point that we also had a great idea for
FC4 *and* FC5 -- redirecting yum requests through bouncer and collecting
stats that way. But we didn't execute. Why? Because it wasn't judged to
be important enough to expend resources to *make* it happen.
This is definitely worth pointing out...
It's all about execution. We do what we have with what we've
got. Ideas
and promises are great, but they don't feed the bulldog. And when we ask
for MORE FUNDING TO MAKE FEDORA BETTER, and the Powers That Be ask, "well,
how many Fedora users do you have?" and we have NO ANSWER, that is BAD FOR
FEDORA. BAAAAAAAD.
Understood.
It's certainly much better than what we have right now, which is
*literally nothing at all*. How many times do we have to reiterate this
point?
I get it. I think there's value to looking at things like traffic to
fp.o, registered users on fedoraforums, etc. But I should have taken
into account that you have already looked into all that.
> Why don't we start to prepare some kind of survey of people
who are
> registered at various fedora-related sites now? I don't know that it has
> to correspond with a release.
I guess I don't understand what makes you think that survey data will be
anywhere near as accurate.
I think it's generally accepted that surveys are a good and useful tool.
I mean, here's some simple back-of-the-envelope calculations:
How many people who install Fedora actually join a Fedora mailing list, or
go to a Fedora website? 20 percent? 5 percent? On the other hand: how
many Fedora Desktop users open a browser? 75 percent? 90 percent?
> On the other hand, if you really think this idea will give you data you
> can trust and urgently need, it might well be worth it to go ahead. I
> just personally think this feels a bit cobbled together.
We had great, large plans, as early as FC4. Grand plans. Beautiful
plans. What happened? We did not execute.
Ok, with that in mind...
Therefore, we dropped back to the *simplest possible plan* that would
give
us *any data at all*.
I'd say go for it. You have definitely showed me that this was not a
last minute thing, which is the impression that I had. Given everything
that has happened it sounds to me like if you don't do this nothing will
ever happen. Which means, DO IT!
Thanks for elaborating.
Sam
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