4:15 a.m.
Dear Legal,
I'd like to sponsor a new packager (CC'd) and help him get
his project [0] into Fedora. He happens to be a Sudanese.
As Sudan appears to be a sanctioned country, I'd like to check
whether this is legally alright.
Thank you in advance,
Petr
[0] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1052040
6:06 a.m.
On 13/01/14 10:15, Petr Šabata wrote:
Dear Legal,
I'd like to sponsor a new packager (CC'd) and help him get
his project [0] into Fedora. He happens to be a Sudanese.
As Sudan appears to be a sanctioned country, I'd like to check
whether this is legally alright.
Thank you in advance,
Petr
[0] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1052040
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Question A. Which Sudan ? There are two now. Question B. Is he just
Sudanese, as you put it, or does he reside there. If he resides there,
then Sudan falls under export restrictions. Applies to US Citizens. This
also encompasses technology, and as such software.
Now, there is also a clause stating the importation of goods and
services of Sudanese origin. Which now begs the question is a free thing
a good or a service, as there is no payment for such.
Richard will have to answer that one, I am afraid.
Why does the US have to always make things so complicated, we just
banned weapons exports.
Regards,
Tristan
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6:13 a.m.
On 13/01/14 12:06, Tristan Santore wrote:
On 13/01/14 10:15, Petr Šabata wrote:
> Dear Legal,
>
> I'd like to sponsor a new packager (CC'd) and help him get
> his project [0] into Fedora. He happens to be a Sudanese.
> As Sudan appears to be a sanctioned country, I'd like to check
> whether this is legally alright.
>
> Thank you in advance,
> Petr
>
> [0] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1052040
>
>
>
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Question A. Which Sudan ? There are two now. Question B. Is he just
Sudanese, as you put it, or does he reside there. If he resides there,
then Sudan falls under export restrictions. Applies to US Citizens. This
also encompasses technology, and as such software.
Now, there is also a clause stating the importation of goods and
services of Sudanese origin. Which now begs the question is a free thing
a good or a service, as there is no payment for such.
Richard will have to answer that one, I am afraid.
Why does the US have to always make things so complicated, we just
banned weapons exports.
Regards,
Tristan
Ohh look just as I was clicking the page away, something caught my eye.
Certain types of activities and transactions are exempt from the
prohibitions of
the SSR and the Executive orders. For example, donations of articles intended
to relieve human suffering, such as food, clothing, and medicine are exempt and
the importation from Sudan and the exportation to Sudan of information or
informational materials, as defined in § 538.306, whether commercial or
otherwise, regardless of format or medium of transmission, are exempt from the
prohibitions and regulations. For a complete list of all exemptions please see
31 C.F.R. § 538.212.
Now, what you make of that is another question. I would read that as
computer software, and I would see technological goods as hardware, but
that is just me.
I am sure there is some weird and wonderful US law/case law, which
covers this.
So, Richard, which is it ?
Regards,
Tristan
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Former Thawte Notary
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9:11 a.m.
On Mon, Jan 13, 2014 at 12:06:38PM +0000, Tristan Santore wrote:
On 13/01/14 10:15, Petr Šabata wrote:
>Dear Legal,
>
>I'd like to sponsor a new packager (CC'd) and help him get
>his project [0] into Fedora. He happens to be a Sudanese.
>As Sudan appears to be a sanctioned country, I'd like to check
>whether this is legally alright.
>
>Thank you in advance,
>Petr
>
>[0] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1052040
>
>
>
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Question A. Which Sudan ? There are two now. Question B. Is he just
Sudanese, as you put it, or does he reside there. If he resides
there, then Sudan falls under export restrictions. Applies to US
Citizens. This also encompasses technology, and as such software.
A. His CV says just "Sudan", not "South Sudan". I guess the
northern (and the more difficult) one.
B. I have no idea about his current residence or where his project
was developed (isn't that the important part?). I hope he can
clear it up for you.
Petr
(...)
Tristan
6:54 p.m.
Dne 13.1.2014 16:11, Petr Šabata napsal(a):
B. I have no idea about his current residence or where his project
was developed (isn't that the important part?). I hope he can
clear it up for you.
From my point of view, this software is clearly hosted at
sites.google.com and that is definitely not located in any US banned
country.
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1:45 a.m.
On Mon, Jan 13, 2014 at 04:11:06PM +0100, Petr Šabata wrote:
On Mon, Jan 13, 2014 at 12:06:38PM +0000, Tristan Santore wrote:
> On 13/01/14 10:15, Petr Šabata wrote:
> >Dear Legal,
> >
> >I'd like to sponsor a new packager (CC'd) and help him get
> >his project [0] into Fedora. He happens to be a Sudanese.
> >As Sudan appears to be a sanctioned country, I'd like to check
> >whether this is legally alright.
> >
> >Thank you in advance,
> >Petr
> >
> >[0] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1052040
> >
> >
> >
> >_______________________________________________
> >legal mailing list
> >legal(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
> >https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/legal
> >
> Question A. Which Sudan ? There are two now. Question B. Is he just
> Sudanese, as you put it, or does he reside there. If he resides
> there, then Sudan falls under export restrictions. Applies to US
> Citizens. This also encompasses technology, and as such software.
A. His CV says just "Sudan", not "South Sudan". I guess the
northern (and the more difficult) one.
B. I have no idea about his current residence or where his project
was developed (isn't that the important part?). I hope he can
clear it up for you.
An update:
"Thanks a great deal, I really appreciate your support. In fact
I am residing and working outside of Sudan, from Doha, Qatar,
I don't know if this makes any difference?"
Petr
Petr
> (...)
> Tristan
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4:19 a.m.
On Mon, Jan 13, 2014 at 11:15:07AM +0100, Petr Šabata wrote:
Dear Legal,
I'd like to sponsor a new packager (CC'd) and help him get
his project [0] into Fedora. He happens to be a Sudanese.
As Sudan appears to be a sanctioned country, I'd like to check
whether this is legally alright.
Thank you in advance,
Petr
[0] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1052040
Ping. Any news on this?
Thanks,
Petr
11:12 a.m.
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On 02/06/2014 05:19 AM, Petr Šabata wrote:
On Mon, Jan 13, 2014 at 11:15:07AM +0100, Petr Šabata wrote:
> Dear Legal,
>
> I'd like to sponsor a new packager (CC'd) and help him get his
> project [0] into Fedora. He happens to be a Sudanese. As Sudan
> appears to be a sanctioned country, I'd like to check whether
> this is legally alright.
>
> Thank you in advance, Petr
>
> [0] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1052040
Ping. Any news on this?
Not yet. Still looking into this on Red Hat's side. Export law is fun
(and by fun, I mean the opposite of fun).
~tom
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