1:37 p.m.
The libpasastro package is going to bundle the NAIF/Spice toolkit from Jet Propulsion
Laboratory.
The source code seems to be publicly available, no license file is included with the code,
but in the headers there's this license text:
THIS SOFTWARE AND ANY RELATED MATERIALS WERE CREATED BY THE
CALIFORNIA INSTITUTE OF TECHNOLOGY (CALTECH) UNDER A U.S.
GOVERNMENT CONTRACT WITH THE NATIONAL AERONAUTICS AND SPACE
ADMINISTRATION (NASA). THE SOFTWARE IS TECHNOLOGY AND SOFTWARE
PUBLICLY AVAILABLE UNDER U.S. EXPORT LAWS AND IS PROVIDED "AS-IS"
TO THE RECIPIENT WITHOUT WARRANTY OF ANY KIND, INCLUDING ANY
WARRANTIES OF PERFORMANCE OR MERCHANTABILITY OR FITNESS FOR A
PARTICULAR USE OR PURPOSE (AS SET FORTH IN UNITED STATES UCC
SECTIONS 2312-2313) OR FOR ANY PURPOSE WHATSOEVER, FOR THE
SOFTWARE AND RELATED MATERIALS, HOWEVER USED.
IN NO EVENT SHALL CALTECH, ITS JET PROPULSION LABORATORY, OR NASA
BE LIABLE FOR ANY DAMAGES AND/OR COSTS, INCLUDING, BUT NOT
LIMITED TO, INCIDENTAL OR CONSEQUENTIAL DAMAGES OF ANY KIND,
INCLUDING ECONOMIC DAMAGE OR INJURY TO PROPERTY AND LOST PROFITS,
REGARDLESS OF WHETHER CALTECH, JPL, OR NASA BE ADVISED, HAVE
REASON TO KNOW, OR, IN FACT, SHALL KNOW OF THE POSSIBILITY.
RECIPIENT BEARS ALL RISK RELATING TO QUALITY AND PERFORMANCE OF
THE SOFTWARE AND ANY RELATED MATERIALS, AND AGREES TO INDEMNIFY
CALTECH AND NASA FOR ALL THIRD-PARTY CLAIMS RESULTING FROM THE
ACTIONS OF RECIPIENT IN THE USE OF THE SOFTWARE.
Is this license acceptable for inclusion in Fedora? I have a doubt about the part
"PUBLICLY AVAILABLE UNDER U.S. EXPORT LAWS"...
3:18 p.m.
On Tue, Oct 27, 2020 at 2:38 PM Mattia Verga
<mattia.verga(a)protonmail.com> wrote:
The libpasastro package is going to bundle the NAIF/Spice toolkit from Jet Propulsion
Laboratory.
The source code seems to be publicly available, no license file is included with the
code, but in the headers there's this license text:
THIS SOFTWARE AND ANY RELATED MATERIALS WERE CREATED BY THE
CALIFORNIA INSTITUTE OF TECHNOLOGY (CALTECH) UNDER A U.S.
GOVERNMENT CONTRACT WITH THE NATIONAL AERONAUTICS AND SPACE
ADMINISTRATION (NASA). THE SOFTWARE IS TECHNOLOGY AND SOFTWARE
PUBLICLY AVAILABLE UNDER U.S. EXPORT LAWS AND IS PROVIDED "AS-IS"
TO THE RECIPIENT WITHOUT WARRANTY OF ANY KIND, INCLUDING ANY
WARRANTIES OF PERFORMANCE OR MERCHANTABILITY OR FITNESS FOR A
PARTICULAR USE OR PURPOSE (AS SET FORTH IN UNITED STATES UCC
SECTIONS 2312-2313) OR FOR ANY PURPOSE WHATSOEVER, FOR THE
SOFTWARE AND RELATED MATERIALS, HOWEVER USED.
IN NO EVENT SHALL CALTECH, ITS JET PROPULSION LABORATORY, OR NASA
BE LIABLE FOR ANY DAMAGES AND/OR COSTS, INCLUDING, BUT NOT
LIMITED TO, INCIDENTAL OR CONSEQUENTIAL DAMAGES OF ANY KIND,
INCLUDING ECONOMIC DAMAGE OR INJURY TO PROPERTY AND LOST PROFITS,
REGARDLESS OF WHETHER CALTECH, JPL, OR NASA BE ADVISED, HAVE
REASON TO KNOW, OR, IN FACT, SHALL KNOW OF THE POSSIBILITY.
RECIPIENT BEARS ALL RISK RELATING TO QUALITY AND PERFORMANCE OF
THE SOFTWARE AND ANY RELATED MATERIALS, AND AGREES TO INDEMNIFY
CALTECH AND NASA FOR ALL THIRD-PARTY CLAIMS RESULTING FROM THE
ACTIONS OF RECIPIENT IN THE USE OF THE SOFTWARE.
Is this license acceptable for inclusion in Fedora? I have a doubt about the part
"PUBLICLY AVAILABLE UNDER U.S. EXPORT LAWS"...
My concern would be the "agree to indemnify" clause at the end.
Historically, Fedora has rejected several FOSS-like licenses because
of overbroad requirements to indemnify upstream licensors (there are
narrower ones in certain commonly-encountered FOSS licenses -- Apache
License 2.0, various versions of the MPL, and IIRC various members of
the EPL family -- that are treated as acceptable, if only because
they've been grandparented in).
I'm open to being convinced that arbitrary indemnification obligations
should be acceptable in FOSS licenses, but I'm not aware that anyone
has yet made that argument.
Richard
4:14 p.m.
Curious why the absence of any kind of license grant isn't a non-starter ...
Pam
On Tue, Oct 27, 2020 at 4:19 PM Richard Fontana <rfontana(a)redhat.com> wrote:
On Tue, Oct 27, 2020 at 2:38 PM Mattia Verga
<mattia.verga(a)protonmail.com> wrote:
>
> The libpasastro package is going to bundle the NAIF/Spice toolkit from
Jet Propulsion Laboratory.
> The source code seems to be publicly available, no license file is
included with the code, but in the headers there's this license text:
>
> THIS SOFTWARE AND ANY RELATED MATERIALS WERE CREATED BY THE
> CALIFORNIA INSTITUTE OF TECHNOLOGY (CALTECH) UNDER A U.S.
> GOVERNMENT CONTRACT WITH THE NATIONAL AERONAUTICS AND SPACE
> ADMINISTRATION (NASA). THE SOFTWARE IS TECHNOLOGY AND SOFTWARE
> PUBLICLY AVAILABLE UNDER U.S. EXPORT LAWS AND IS PROVIDED "AS-IS"
> TO THE RECIPIENT WITHOUT WARRANTY OF ANY KIND, INCLUDING ANY
> WARRANTIES OF PERFORMANCE OR MERCHANTABILITY OR FITNESS FOR A
> PARTICULAR USE OR PURPOSE (AS SET FORTH IN UNITED STATES UCC
> SECTIONS 2312-2313) OR FOR ANY PURPOSE WHATSOEVER, FOR THE
> SOFTWARE AND RELATED MATERIALS, HOWEVER USED.
>
> IN NO EVENT SHALL CALTECH, ITS JET PROPULSION LABORATORY, OR NASA
> BE LIABLE FOR ANY DAMAGES AND/OR COSTS, INCLUDING, BUT NOT
> LIMITED TO, INCIDENTAL OR CONSEQUENTIAL DAMAGES OF ANY KIND,
> INCLUDING ECONOMIC DAMAGE OR INJURY TO PROPERTY AND LOST PROFITS,
> REGARDLESS OF WHETHER CALTECH, JPL, OR NASA BE ADVISED, HAVE
> REASON TO KNOW, OR, IN FACT, SHALL KNOW OF THE POSSIBILITY.
>
> RECIPIENT BEARS ALL RISK RELATING TO QUALITY AND PERFORMANCE OF
> THE SOFTWARE AND ANY RELATED MATERIALS, AND AGREES TO INDEMNIFY
> CALTECH AND NASA FOR ALL THIRD-PARTY CLAIMS RESULTING FROM THE
> ACTIONS OF RECIPIENT IN THE USE OF THE SOFTWARE.
>
> Is this license acceptable for inclusion in Fedora? I have a doubt about
the part "PUBLICLY AVAILABLE UNDER U.S. EXPORT LAWS"...
My concern would be the "agree to indemnify" clause at the end.
Historically, Fedora has rejected several FOSS-like licenses because
of overbroad requirements to indemnify upstream licensors (there are
narrower ones in certain commonly-encountered FOSS licenses -- Apache
License 2.0, various versions of the MPL, and IIRC various members of
the EPL family -- that are treated as acceptable, if only because
they've been grandparented in).
I'm open to being convinced that arbitrary indemnification obligations
should be acceptable in FOSS licenses, but I'm not aware that anyone
has yet made that argument.
Richard
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7:26 p.m.
On Tue, Oct 27, 2020 at 5:15 PM Pamela Chestek <pchestek(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Curious why the absence of any kind of license grant isn't a non-starter ...
Oh yes, that too :-)
I'm not completely sure if this page applies to the toolkit:
https://naif.jpl.nasa.gov/naif/rules.html
But I might read it as indicating that NASA is informally granting a
very broad "SunRPC-style" license. In particular:
"Simple redistribution of the complete Toolkit, such as from a mirror
site, is prohibited without prior clearance from NAIF. However,
including the SPICE Toolkit library modules and relevant SPICE Toolkit
programs and allied User Guides as part of a package supporting a
customer-built SPICE-based tool is entirely appropriate."
The SunRPC restriction by itself would make the terms non-FOSS.
Richard
On Tue, Oct 27, 2020 at 4:19 PM Richard Fontana
<rfontana(a)redhat.com> wrote:
>
> On Tue, Oct 27, 2020 at 2:38 PM Mattia Verga
> <mattia.verga(a)protonmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > The libpasastro package is going to bundle the NAIF/Spice toolkit from Jet
Propulsion Laboratory.
> > The source code seems to be publicly available, no license file is included with
the code, but in the headers there's this license text:
> >
> > THIS SOFTWARE AND ANY RELATED MATERIALS WERE CREATED BY THE
> > CALIFORNIA INSTITUTE OF TECHNOLOGY (CALTECH) UNDER A U.S.
> > GOVERNMENT CONTRACT WITH THE NATIONAL AERONAUTICS AND SPACE
> > ADMINISTRATION (NASA). THE SOFTWARE IS TECHNOLOGY AND SOFTWARE
> > PUBLICLY AVAILABLE UNDER U.S. EXPORT LAWS AND IS PROVIDED "AS-IS"
> > TO THE RECIPIENT WITHOUT WARRANTY OF ANY KIND, INCLUDING ANY
> > WARRANTIES OF PERFORMANCE OR MERCHANTABILITY OR FITNESS FOR A
> > PARTICULAR USE OR PURPOSE (AS SET FORTH IN UNITED STATES UCC
> > SECTIONS 2312-2313) OR FOR ANY PURPOSE WHATSOEVER, FOR THE
> > SOFTWARE AND RELATED MATERIALS, HOWEVER USED.
> >
> > IN NO EVENT SHALL CALTECH, ITS JET PROPULSION LABORATORY, OR NASA
> > BE LIABLE FOR ANY DAMAGES AND/OR COSTS, INCLUDING, BUT NOT
> > LIMITED TO, INCIDENTAL OR CONSEQUENTIAL DAMAGES OF ANY KIND,
> > INCLUDING ECONOMIC DAMAGE OR INJURY TO PROPERTY AND LOST PROFITS,
> > REGARDLESS OF WHETHER CALTECH, JPL, OR NASA BE ADVISED, HAVE
> > REASON TO KNOW, OR, IN FACT, SHALL KNOW OF THE POSSIBILITY.
> >
> > RECIPIENT BEARS ALL RISK RELATING TO QUALITY AND PERFORMANCE OF
> > THE SOFTWARE AND ANY RELATED MATERIALS, AND AGREES TO INDEMNIFY
> > CALTECH AND NASA FOR ALL THIRD-PARTY CLAIMS RESULTING FROM THE
> > ACTIONS OF RECIPIENT IN THE USE OF THE SOFTWARE.
> >
> > Is this license acceptable for inclusion in Fedora? I have a doubt about the
part "PUBLICLY AVAILABLE UNDER U.S. EXPORT LAWS"...
>
> My concern would be the "agree to indemnify" clause at the end.
> Historically, Fedora has rejected several FOSS-like licenses because
> of overbroad requirements to indemnify upstream licensors (there are
> narrower ones in certain commonly-encountered FOSS licenses -- Apache
> License 2.0, various versions of the MPL, and IIRC various members of
> the EPL family -- that are treated as acceptable, if only because
> they've been grandparented in).
>
> I'm open to being convinced that arbitrary indemnification obligations
> should be acceptable in FOSS licenses, but I'm not aware that anyone
> has yet made that argument.
>
> Richard
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12:13 p.m.
Well, the upstream developer informed me that this code is not absolutely required for the
other software which depend on libpasastro to run.
So I will simply remove the NAIF/SPICE code from sources and avoid to build
'libpasspice' library until someone can define if its license is valid for
inclusion in Fedora.
Thanks
Mattia
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