Summary/Minutes from today's Fedora Infrastructure meeting (2012-08-09)
by Kevin Fenzi
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#fedora-meeting: Infrastructure (2012-08-09)
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Meeting started by nirik at 18:00:01 UTC. The full logs are available at
http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2012-08-09/infrastructure...
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Meeting summary
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* Greets! (nirik, 18:00:01)
* New folks introductions and Apprentice tasks. (nirik, 18:02:27)
* Applications status / discussion (nirik, 18:04:24)
* LINK: http://status.fedoraproject.org/ is live (ok, it's not really
an app, it's a statically generated html file, but still) (relrod,
18:05:36)
* Sysadmin status / discussion (nirik, 18:08:32)
* Security FAD (nirik, 18:12:04)
* LINK:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD_Infrastructure_Security_2012
(nirik, 18:12:10)
* AGREED: 2012-11-26 to 2012-11-29 for security fad in RDU (nirik,
18:30:23)
* ACTION: everyone who would like to attend, please update wiki page.
(nirik, 18:30:36)
* remote contributions also very welcome (nirik, 18:30:49)
* LINK:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD_Infrastructure_Security_2012/attendees
(nirik, 18:31:48)
* LINK:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD_Infrastructure_Security_2012/attendees
(abadger1999, 18:32:04)
* status.fedoraproject.org (nirik, 18:33:08)
* status.fedoraproject.org runs in openshift currently. (nirik,
18:34:23)
* completely disconnected from our infrastructure (nirik, 18:34:37)
* updates are manually done by admins. (nirik, 18:34:46)
* static webpage generated on push (puiterwijk, 18:34:58)
* ACTION: puiterwijk will look into RSS with status.fp.o (puiterwijk,
18:36:09)
* http://status.fedoraproject.org/ (abadger1999, 18:36:10)
* AGREED: will start using status page, fix any issues, then announce
in a few weeks.... (nirik, 18:47:33)
* status page will be announced on the 23rd if no stoppers are found
(nirik, 18:49:28)
* Upcoming Tasks/Items (nirik, 18:49:41)
* 2012-08-14 to 2012-08-28 F18 Alpha Freeze (nirik, 18:50:59)
* 2012-08-15 hosted03-> hosted01/02 migration (tenative) (nirik,
18:51:00)
* 2012-08-28 F18 Alpha release. (nirik, 18:51:00)
* 2012-08-31 end of 2nd quarter (nirik, 18:51:00)
* 2012-09-01 nag fi-apprentices. (nirik, 18:51:00)
* 2012-09-08 drop inactive fi-apprentices. (nirik, 18:51:00)
* 2012-09-10 to 2012-09-24 Skvidal is out (nirik, 18:51:02)
* 2012-09-18 to 2012-10-02 F18 Beta Freeze (nirik, 18:51:04)
* 2012-09-27 to 2012-09-28 Smooge at Puppetconf (nirik, 18:51:10)
* 2012-10-02 F18 Beta release (nirik, 18:51:10)
* Open Floor (nirik, 18:54:16)
* LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Skvidal/BuildSystem
(skvidal, 18:55:15)
* LINK:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Skvidal/BuildSystem/Specifications
(skvidal, 18:55:35)
Meeting ended at 18:59:12 UTC.
Action Items
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* everyone who would like to attend, please update wiki page.
* puiterwijk will look into RSS with status.fp.o
Action Items, by person
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* puiterwijk
* puiterwijk will look into RSS with status.fp.o
* **UNASSIGNED**
* everyone who would like to attend, please update wiki page.
People Present (lines said)
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* nirik (150)
* skvidal (65)
* abadger1999 (23)
* puiterwijk (20)
* pingou (16)
* smooge (16)
* ctria (13)
* relrod (12)
* lmacken (7)
* zodbot (4)
* spot (2)
* halfline (1)
* jsmith (1)
* threebean (0)
* ricky (0)
* mdomsch (0)
* dgilmore (0)
* CodeBlock (0)
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18:00:01 <nirik> #startmeeting Infrastructure (2012-08-09)
18:00:01 <zodbot> Meeting started Thu Aug 9 18:00:01 2012 UTC. The chair is nirik. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
18:00:01 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic.
18:00:01 <nirik> #meetingname infrastructure
18:00:01 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'infrastructure'
18:00:01 <nirik> #topic Greets!
18:00:01 <nirik> #chair smooge skvidal CodeBlock ricky nirik abadger1999 lmacken dgilmore mdomsch threebean
18:00:01 <zodbot> Current chairs: CodeBlock abadger1999 dgilmore lmacken mdomsch nirik ricky skvidal smooge threebean
18:00:07 * skvidal is here
18:00:09 * relrod here :)
18:00:34 * ctria almost back (i'll be off next week) and then i'm back
18:00:42 * nirik notes threebean is traveling and probibly won't be able to attend today
18:00:58 * puiterwijk is here
18:01:00 * pingou here
18:01:10 * abadger1999 here
18:01:44 * lmacken
18:02:18 <nirik> ok, cool. Lets go ahead and get started...
18:02:27 <nirik> #topic New folks introductions and Apprentice tasks.
18:02:36 <nirik> If any new folks want to give a quick one line bio or any apprentices
18:02:36 <nirik> would like to ask general questions, they can do so in this part of
18:02:36 <nirik> the meeting. Don't be shy!
18:03:28 <ctria> i hope that you remember me. i'm in process of changing job and hopefully will have more time to spare this time. i officially will ask to join the apprentice group after next week
18:03:34 <ctria> that i'm returning from vacations
18:03:42 <nirik> welcome back ctria
18:04:20 <nirik> ok, if no one else new, will move on to the next topic...
18:04:23 <ctria> (but i could work on any tasks could be worked from a sandy beach next week)
18:04:24 <nirik> #topic Applications status / discussion
18:04:37 <nirik> ctria: relax and have a good vacation I'd say. ;)
18:04:53 <nirik> any application news from this last week or upcoming in the next?
18:05:00 <lmacken> I'm doing a new bodhi production release today, which includes fedmsg support :)
18:05:17 <nirik> there was a lot of fedmsg stuff landing in production as well recently.
18:05:18 * lmacken just has to make a few more tweaks so we don't flood the bus
18:05:34 <nirik> I messed up and thought the freeze was this tuesday, and it's not until next tuesday. ;)
18:05:36 <relrod> http://status.fedoraproject.org/ is live (ok, it's not really an app, it's a statically generated html file, but still)
18:05:36 <abadger1999> Next fas release is in stg right now. Thanks to relrod and puiterwijk for putting it together :-)
18:05:44 <relrod> so
18:05:47 <relrod> please test that out
18:05:56 <relrod> and let puiterwijk and myself know if you have any suggestions
18:05:59 <nirik> relrod: it has it's own topic later in the meeting too.
18:06:04 <relrod> nirik: ah, oops
18:06:07 * relrod shuts up then :)
18:06:07 <lmacken> relrod, puiterwijk: nice work with that guys, it's awesome
18:06:11 <nirik> no worries.
18:06:36 <nirik> we have a #fedora-fedmsg channel with fedmsg bus live on irc now too.
18:07:03 <nirik> anything else that could/will land before freeze?
18:07:09 <lmacken> maybe busmon
18:07:17 * lmacken not sure of the state of our websockets stuff
18:07:27 <nirik> not very far along I'm afraid.
18:07:28 <lmacken> but threebean and I will be doing some hacking on it this weekend in person
18:07:42 <nirik> I still need to talk to RHIT about it... will see how that goes over.
18:08:07 <nirik> lmacken: cool.
18:08:25 <nirik> ok, moving along then...
18:08:32 <nirik> #topic Sysadmin status / discussion
18:08:48 <nirik> this section is for news from sysadmin folks... lets see...
18:08:57 * skvidal is just grumpy today
18:09:02 <skvidal> oh - you don't mean about the people
18:09:03 <nirik> We had some issues with the wiki upgrade last weekend...
18:09:03 <skvidal> sorry
18:09:05 <nirik> ha
18:09:21 <nirik> puiterwijk helped us out and tracked those down... so hopefully it's all happy now.
18:09:52 <nirik> also 2 wiki bug fixes... a rewrite where it was double encoding things and redirecting people wrong on login, and a fix to the rss feed to again show actual diffs.
18:10:43 <nirik> skvidal setup a releng01 with ansible...
18:11:22 <nirik> bunch of password resetting on mgmt interfaces, etc.
18:11:35 * relrod still is working on them, slowly but surely
18:11:37 <nirik> anything else folks would like to ask about or note?
18:11:44 <nirik> relrod: it's very appreciated.
18:11:57 <nirik> ok, moving on
18:12:04 <nirik> #topic Security FAD
18:12:10 <nirik> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD_Infrastructure_Security_2012
18:12:18 <nirik> I've done some more things to move this along...
18:12:27 <nirik> fixed up the wiki page, pinged people, etc.
18:12:40 <nirik> If you wish to attend, please add yourself to the attendees page.
18:12:48 <nirik> Also, we should try and finalize dates.
18:13:05 <nirik> I was thinking at this point that perhaps after f18 is released, but before holidays might work
18:13:31 <nirik> thoughts? rants? alterative suggestions?
18:13:48 <skvidal> just not during sept
18:13:49 <skvidal> kthx
18:14:02 <smooge> nirik, at that point is it close enough to FudCon to do it then?
18:14:02 * nirik looks at calendar
18:14:03 <pingou> skvidal: +1
18:14:04 <skvidal> oh and I'd like to personally request one other time be blacked out
18:14:10 <skvidal> the first week of october
18:14:27 <skvidal> smooge: we won't get anything done colocating with fudcon
18:14:29 <nirik> smooge: well, we could do that yeah... thats jan instead of nov...
18:14:33 <skvidal> we're too often dragged away
18:14:38 <abadger1999> <nod>
18:14:50 <abadger1999> We'd have to say "Week before fudcon" or some such
18:14:52 <pingou> skvidal: could be before or after fudcon no ?
18:14:59 <nirik> right, it would need to be before.
18:15:03 <nirik> come in early
18:15:04 <skvidal> pingou: that's fine
18:15:05 <skvidal> abadger1999: yah
18:15:07 <skvidal> I don
18:15:11 <smooge> actually I wasn't thinking of doing it then. I was worried it would get the "Thats awfully close to Fudcon" checkmark
18:15:11 <skvidal> t have an issue with that
18:15:11 <nirik> 2012-11-06 - f18 release
18:15:14 <skvidal> just not overlappying
18:15:20 <skvidal> and doing it AFTER fudcon is probably not wise
18:15:27 <skvidal> b/c everyone is strungout after
18:15:30 <skvidal> or rather
18:15:33 <skvidal> everyone I ever speak to is
18:15:37 <skvidal> maybe it's just me
18:15:57 <ctria> lol
18:15:58 <smooge> November sounds good
18:16:03 * abadger1999 agrees w/ skvidal
18:16:10 * nirik also
18:16:14 <smooge> and I agree w/ skvidal
18:16:15 <skvidal> abadger1999: you agree that i'm strung out after fudcon?
18:16:16 <nirik> so, its a narrow window there in nov...
18:16:17 <skvidal> nice
18:16:20 <abadger1999> hehe
18:16:36 <nirik> release is the 6th, and thanksgiving is 22nd.
18:16:40 <nirik> if we slip a week...
18:16:41 <smooge> skvidal, well if you wouldn't do those lines of cocaine off the backs of servers at fudcon it probably would not happen
18:16:45 <pingou> I can't convince you to make it for the FUDCon emea ? :D
18:17:02 <skvidal> pingou: I suspect spot/robyn would set us on fire
18:17:09 <smooge> very very much so
18:17:11 <nirik> pingou: I don't think we have budget for that. ;(
18:17:15 <pingou> skvidal: s/set us/set me/ ? :)
18:17:20 <skvidal> pingou: no, us
18:17:22 <skvidal> all of us
18:17:25 <pingou> ^^
18:17:32 * pingou burns
18:17:32 <skvidal> they have assassins everywhere
18:17:38 <smooge> kerosene is cheaper than tickets I think this is the usual answer
18:17:46 <spot> pingou: you get me and robyn. anyone else, you're welcome to cover out of your pocket. ;)
18:18:08 <pingou> spot: can we make exchange ?
18:18:14 <pingou> spot: ;-)
18:18:16 <skvidal> oooo - is pingou independently wealthy? I didn't know that
18:18:19 <spot> pingou: no exchanges, no refunds. ;)
18:18:21 <skvidal> excellent
18:18:30 <skvidal> pingou: can I have a grant?
18:18:37 <pingou> skvidal: if I was I would come to the security FAD ;-)
18:18:43 <skvidal> pingou: good point
18:18:45 <pingou> skvidal: of course, I'll pay you the beer when you arrive ;)
18:18:56 <skvidal> none for me
18:18:57 <nirik> right, so we could tenatively say: 2012-11-11 (arrive late afternoon/evening, get settled), 12, 13, 14 work on things, leave 2012-11-14?
18:19:05 <pingou> skvidal: then a very large coke
18:19:08 <nirik> but then we are having to do release from there if we slip. ;)
18:19:10 <halfline> ginger beer
18:19:38 <skvidal> halfline: only yankees drink such things ;)
18:20:02 <smooge> I thought aussies drank it
18:20:04 * nirik suggests ginger mead, but thats likely just me. ;)
18:20:15 <abadger1999> nirik: If I could find it, I would drink it ;-)
18:20:19 <skvidal> so... trailing off into the weeds
18:21:03 <abadger1999> 2012-11-11 works for me ... but I don't trust release not to slip.
18:21:09 <nirik> There's also the week after thanksgiving... 2012-11-25 to 28...
18:21:10 <smooge> I will put it that us hitting our deadline for F18 is not likely.. so I think the 16th is more likely the release date
18:21:35 <smooge> how about the 22-24 in Raleigh NC
18:21:47 <skvidal> what? why would any of us need to be around for the release. That's just silly. :)
18:21:59 <nirik> smooge: do they have turkey dinners there? :)
18:22:27 <skvidal> smooge: I will die a painful death if I am not around family over thanksgiving
18:22:30 <smooge> I don't know. I know that Westford has real turkeys in their parking lots then
18:23:03 <skvidal> nirik: moving on?
18:23:29 <nirik> problem with after thanksgiving is that many people are traveling then...
18:23:56 <skvidal> and flying on black friday?
18:24:01 <skvidal> that's a special kind of suffering
18:24:01 <smooge> oh sorry I was looking at the wrong month. I wasn't making it sit ontop of Thanksgiving
18:24:03 <abadger1999> Maybe we could plan on release sliping two+ weeks ;-)
18:24:13 <nirik> 26th-29th? come in 26th, leave 29th. 2 solid days of work
18:24:24 <pingou> 2012-11-11,12,13,14 might actually be hard for me, but we'll see
18:24:27 <skvidal> abadger1999: december in nc - how...... something... cold? uncomfortable but lacking any snow?
18:24:49 <smooge> bah. its not cold. its chilly but not cold
18:24:54 <abadger1999> As long as I'm not driving on glare ice I'm happy with cold weather.
18:25:11 * nirik doesn't care about cold as long as it doesn't cause flight delays. ;)
18:25:26 <abadger1999> true.
18:25:57 <nirik> or, for better budget spending: 26th-28th... come in 26th, leave night of 28th. Hack on things 27th and 28th days.
18:26:45 <smooge> hmm that works for me.
18:26:51 <nirik> votes? counter proposals?
18:27:01 <skvidal> 26th of november?
18:27:19 <skvidal> cool
18:27:55 <nirik> ok, if no objections I will take that to the list as a tenative?
18:28:03 <abadger1999> eh... 29th sounds better (just htinks about all the times late flights get rescheduled earlier in the day).
18:28:16 <abadger1999> but it still works for me.
18:28:22 <nirik> abadger1999: ok... we can see if we can swing that...
18:28:42 <abadger1999> I don't particularly care... just thinking of how much can get done.
18:28:44 <nirik> question: will RH be moved/moving to new tower then? I guess I can find out
18:28:50 <relrod> either way I'm going to miss a few days of school, so doesn't matter to me...just have to ask for the assignments beforehand and do them on flights. ;)
18:29:21 <nirik> so, if we are ok with that, I'll ask interested folks to go back and actually look up costs for those dates?
18:29:25 <nirik> and update the wiki page.
18:29:38 <nirik> so we can get a idea travel wise
18:30:23 <nirik> #agreed 2012-11-26 to 2012-11-29 for security fad in RDU
18:30:36 <nirik> #action everyone who would like to attend, please update wiki page.
18:30:49 <nirik> #info remote contributions also very welcome
18:31:03 <nirik> ok, anything else on this? or shall we move on?
18:31:22 <nirik> is there any people I didn't list that would be good to have to get the primary objective done?
18:31:39 * abadger1999 gets link to travel page for the meeting notes
18:31:48 <nirik> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD_Infrastructure_Security_2012/attendees
18:31:56 <nirik> we could just fold that into the fad page, no?
18:32:04 <abadger1999> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD_Infrastructure_Security_2012/attendees
18:32:06 <ctria> should remote register too?
18:32:24 <nirik> ctria: yeah, let us know if you are interested in helping, for sure... just note that you will be remote...
18:33:01 <nirik> ok then, moving along...
18:33:08 <nirik> #topic status.fedoraproject.org
18:33:20 * abadger1999 will fold attendees into the main page
18:33:48 <nirik> so, as many know, puiterwijk had an idea for a end user status application... so we could point people to it for outages instead of them having to check an irc /topic, etc
18:34:09 <nirik> we have such an application now thanks to puiterwijk and relrod. ;)
18:34:23 <nirik> #info status.fedoraproject.org runs in openshift currently.
18:34:37 <nirik> #info completely disconnected from our infrastructure
18:34:45 <ctria> great work
18:34:46 <nirik> #info updates are manually done by admins.
18:34:58 <puiterwijk> #info static webpage generated on push
18:35:05 <nirik> so, should we start using this? or do we have any questions or concerns about it?
18:35:21 <nirik> If we wanted to push this to some other site, how hard would that be?
18:35:27 <pingou> puiterwijk: stupid idea, rss ?
18:35:43 * nirik was also thinking rss might be nice if it was easy
18:35:58 <puiterwijk> pingou: maybe a good idea
18:36:09 <puiterwijk> #action puiterwijk will look into RSS with status.fp.o
18:36:10 <abadger1999> #info http://status.fedoraproject.org/
18:36:48 * abadger1999 needs to get better at reading URLs that aren't highlighted as links :-/
18:36:49 <nirik> also, there's one issue left: syncing ssh keys to grant access to folks who might need to update it...
18:37:25 * nirik has manually added a bunch of people for now, but we might setup a sync script on lockbox01 for it.
18:37:32 <ctria> could this get nagios alarms and automate results?
18:37:33 <relrod> lmacken also had an idea for auto refresh, and using something like https://github.com/lipka/piecon to show percentage of services up in the favicon, so people can see it at a glance
18:37:34 <nirik> or we could just leave it manual I suppose
18:37:34 * ctria runs
18:37:54 <nirik> ctria: we want it to NOT depend on any of our stuff being up/down/whatever.
18:37:56 <puiterwijk> I'm working on a python script to automate that from FAS
18:38:03 <puiterwijk> (the ssh key updating)
18:38:08 <nirik> puiterwijk: ok, cool.
18:38:20 <nirik> ctria: otherwise it could not update right if nagios was down, etc.
18:38:26 <abadger1999> Is it just checking by hitting a single url and seeing if that returns?
18:38:33 <nirik> also, nagios has a poor idea of what application is down.
18:38:44 <puiterwijk> abadger1999: no, it's manually updated by an admin
18:38:44 <nirik> abadger1999: what checking?
18:38:50 <nirik> it's a static page
18:38:51 <abadger1999> k
18:39:11 <abadger1999> ah -- I thought it was a periodically generated static page. Misunderstood.
18:39:13 <nirik> so it could be misleading if there's an outage and no one updates it
18:39:19 <abadger1999> sorry.
18:39:36 <nirik> or if someone updates it and forgets to clear the outage (but we have a nagios check for that that should yell at us)
18:39:41 <ctria> another way is that it would get a heartbeat from services via fedmsg if it doesn't then service is off
18:40:15 <puiterwijk> ctria: and what if fedmsg is off? it won't know if that's a fedmsg failure or a connection failure
18:40:40 <ctria> common� you have to trust something� what if admins are off :)
18:40:58 <skvidal> ctria: fedmsg is a nice service - I do not think we have used it enough to get the point of trusting it
18:41:19 <skvidal> for notification of outages
18:41:25 <pingou> ctria: admins are off ???
18:41:37 <nirik> well, and also since this is not in phx2, we would need some way to get messages to it...
18:41:48 <nirik> pingou: some of us have always been a bit off. ;)
18:41:53 <skvidal> nirik: I'm sure mmcgrath would be happy to let us vpn in
18:41:55 <skvidal> ;)
18:42:04 <nirik> heh
18:42:32 <nirik> so, aside from enhancements, is everyone ok with us starting to use this and point people to it?
18:42:40 <pingou> +1
18:42:42 <ctria> +!
18:42:44 <nirik> or are their concerns/issues outstanding?
18:43:43 * nirik listens to crickets chirp
18:44:06 <puiterwijk> just one currently: that the ordering still needs to be fixed
18:44:21 <puiterwijk> (haven't had much time for that yet, but that's not crucial)
18:44:29 * skvidal will bite
18:44:32 <skvidal> what's wrong with the ordering?
18:44:36 <nirik> puiterwijk: oh, so how hard would it be to push this to another site if we wanted...
18:44:46 <puiterwijk> mizmo had advised to put major and minor outages on top (above the Ok services)
18:45:21 <puiterwijk> nirik: not too hard, only the management script would have to be adjusted to push somewhere else instead of git, and maybe the management script should regenerate the page
18:45:59 <nirik> puiterwijk: ok. I am just thinking of a case where openshift was down and all our stuff was up. We could change dns and point to one of our servers and push the page there so users wouldn't see problems.
18:46:21 <nirik> (as unlikely as that may be)
18:46:23 <ctria> nirik, if admins are up :)
18:46:40 <puiterwijk> nirik: that could be set up :)
18:47:09 <nirik> ok, so don't see any objections... I'd like to let it go for a few weeks before we officially announce it... so please do look for any issues before then.
18:47:33 <nirik> #agreed will start using status page, fix any issues, then announce in a few weeks....
18:47:54 <nirik> thanks for all the work on this puiterwijk and relrod. (and others too)
18:48:11 <puiterwijk> maybe we should pick a date, and if no showstoppers are still on that date, we will announce it?
18:48:22 <puiterwijk> to know when everything should be fixed?
18:48:32 <nirik> sure. how about the 22nd?
18:48:50 <puiterwijk> works for me
18:48:56 <relrod> nirik: 23rd? so we can ask at the meeting again?
18:48:59 <puiterwijk> or 23rd, at the meeting?
18:49:10 <nirik> sure. Thats fine too
18:49:13 * nirik makes a note
18:49:28 <nirik> #info status page will be announced on the 23rd if no stoppers are found
18:49:41 <nirik> #topic Upcoming Tasks/Items
18:49:44 <puiterwijk> oh, just so you know: from 19:00 UTC, nagios alerts will be sent when the services are triggered ;)
18:50:10 <nirik> hum?
18:50:19 <puiterwijk> still about status.fp.o
18:50:36 <nirik> oh, right...
18:50:43 <puiterwijk> if any services are in minor or major status (instead of "good"), nagios will complain about it so we won't forget to put it back when done
18:50:45 <nirik> so if you do any testing of the page, please put it in downtime
18:50:55 <nirik> so, upcoming items:
18:50:59 <nirik> #info 2012-08-14 to 2012-08-28 F18 Alpha Freeze
18:51:00 <nirik> #info 2012-08-15 hosted03-> hosted01/02 migration (tenative)
18:51:00 <nirik> #info 2012-08-28 F18 Alpha release.
18:51:00 <nirik> #info 2012-08-31 end of 2nd quarter
18:51:00 <nirik> #info 2012-09-01 nag fi-apprentices.
18:51:00 <nirik> #info 2012-09-08 drop inactive fi-apprentices.
18:51:02 <nirik> #info 2012-09-10 to 2012-09-24 Skvidal is out
18:51:04 <nirik> #info 2012-09-18 to 2012-10-02 F18 Beta Freeze
18:51:10 <nirik> #info 2012-09-27 to 2012-09-28 Smooge at Puppetconf
18:51:10 <nirik> #info 2012-10-02 F18 Beta release
18:51:12 <nirik> I'm waffling about the hosted move and when to do it...
18:51:21 <nirik> anything else folks want to note?
18:51:27 <nirik> or schedule, or plan?
18:51:41 <skvidal> do we have an ETA on cloud network?
18:51:57 <nirik> not that I have heard. ;( smooge: you heard anything?
18:52:09 <nirik> if we get internal nets we can start installing/setting things up
18:52:11 <smooge> no
18:52:18 <smooge> I am going to ping management
18:52:54 <nirik> ok. Might be good to drop a ticket on it, in case other folks can work on it for us?
18:53:21 <nirik> dunno.
18:54:06 <nirik> ok, anything more for upcoming? if not, moving on...
18:54:16 <nirik> #topic Open Floor
18:54:21 <nirik> anything for open floor?
18:54:22 <skvidal> I have something
18:54:29 <nirik> take it away...
18:54:35 <skvidal> there was a meeting last week in #fedora-buildsys
18:54:42 <skvidal> to discuss non-koji buildsys goals
18:54:50 <skvidal> we're not discussing getting rid of koji
18:54:54 <skvidal> nor replacing it
18:55:02 * relrod has to head out to bring the dog to the vet :( - will read the tail end of the logs when I return.
18:55:04 <skvidal> this is for builds of pkgs that we cannot do in koji for one reason or another
18:55:11 <nirik> ah yeah.
18:55:14 <skvidal> I wrote up the requirements here
18:55:15 <skvidal> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Skvidal/BuildSystem
18:55:23 <nirik> cool.
18:55:24 <skvidal> and we're working on ui/backend requirements here
18:55:35 <skvidal> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Skvidal/BuildSystem/Specifications
18:55:40 <nirik> this is something we hope to offer backed by the new private cloud, right?
18:55:45 <skvidal> feel free to comment/edit, whatever
18:55:50 <skvidal> nirik: it's definitely related :)
18:55:59 <nirik> yeah.
18:56:02 <skvidal> if there are any pieces folks want to look at - please let me know
18:56:09 <skvidal> or come by #fedora-buildsys
18:56:14 <skvidal> or post to buildsys(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
18:56:48 <skvidal> anyway that's all
18:56:56 * skvidal loves the sound of crickets
18:56:56 <nirik> cool.
18:57:16 <nirik> I think there's tons of nice stuff there... I look forward to breaking^Wusing it.
18:58:00 * jsmith can't wait to use it too...
18:58:35 <nirik> ok, anything else? or shall we close out the meeting now?
18:59:09 <nirik> ok, thanks for coming everyone. ;)
18:59:12 <nirik> #endmeeting
11 years, 8 months
FUDCon EMEA, Paris 2012 meeting minutes
by Kévin Raymond
Hi there,
Please read here our meeting minutes.
That was a fast meeting as we don't really have more new tasks or new input for
you. Just please… Register ;)
Let's meet on next week where funding request would be closed and handled.
http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2012-08-09/fudcon_emea_...
Meeting started by shaiton at 18:04:27 UTC (full logs).
Meeting summary
hotel (shaiton, 18:09:26)
registration open, you NEED to register before the next meeting if you
want to ask for reimbursment (shaiton, 18:10:24)
http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/announce/2012-August/003099.html
(shaiton, 18:10:30)
ACTION: to send a last call for registration/funding on Monday (shaiton,
18:11:35)
funding (shaiton, 18:13:24)
HELP: Carlos (opossum1er) could you ask for tshirt quotes please?
(shaiton, 18:16:27)
design (shaiton, 18:17:58)
HELP: we NEED you, the design team ;) (shaiton, 18:18:55)
other tasks (shaiton, 18:19:43)
ACTION: eseyman to start the wiki page(s) about the booklet content, and
send a help message to the French team (shaiton, 18:21:58)
open floor (shaiton, 18:27:46)
we are going to meet at my place the 15th of August. If you're in Paris
by that time, tell me and join us! (shaiton, 18:31:38)
ACTION: shaiton to send a reminder to the team… (shaiton, 18:31:51)
Meeting ended at 18:34:02 UTC (full logs).
Action items
to send a last call for registration/funding on Monday
eseyman to start the wiki page(s) about the booklet content, and send a help
message to the French team
shaiton to send a reminder to the team…
Action items, by person
eseyman
eseyman to start the wiki page(s) about the booklet content, and send a
help message to the French team
shaiton
shaiton to send a reminder to the team…
--
Kévin Raymond
(Shaiton)
----- End forwarded message -----
--
Kévin Raymond
(Shaiton)
11 years, 8 months
Docs meeting summary -- 6 August 2012
by Ben Cotton
Meeting summary
---------------
* Roll Call (bcotton, 14:00:43)
* Follow up on last week's action items (bcotton, 14:05:11)
* ACTION: Sparks to add relevant git commands to QA procedures
(bcotton, 14:05:56)
* ACTION: bcotton to send call for volunteers for QA Wrangler to
mailing list (bcotton, 14:06:07)
* ACTION: ianweller to ask the guys behind the packages app if man
pages is a thing they can do (bcotton, 14:06:18)
* Using koji to publish docs.fp.o (bcotton, 14:06:28)
* LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Automating_publishing
(bcotton, 14:06:35)
* LINK:
http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/docs/2012-August/014488.html
(bcotton, 14:13:32)
* ACTION: Sparks to follow up with releng on the progress of koji
(bcotton, 14:20:09)
* Publish man pages (bcotton, 14:24:42)
* BZ 828669 (bcotton, 14:24:50)
* AGREED: this topic is tabled as an agenda item (bcotton, 14:31:22)
* QA recap (bcotton, 14:31:37)
* LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_QA_Procedure (bcotton,
14:31:47)
* Open Help Conference (bcotton, 14:37:57)
* LINK: http://openhelpconference.com (bcotton, 14:38:09)
* Open Help Conference is Aug 11-15 in Cincinnati, OH (bcotton,
14:38:27)
* Outstanding BZ Tickets (bcotton, 14:39:47)
* LINK: http://tinyurl.com/lbrq84 (bcotton, 14:39:53)
* LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=808103
(randomuser, 14:42:34)
* ACTION: Sparks to test BZ entity in a guide and coordinate with l10n
(bcotton, 14:49:22)
* Open Floor Discussion (bcotton, 14:51:30)
* The Fedora Accessibility package has been retired. It was old and
crusty needed to be shot. (Sparks, 14:52:32)
* OpenSSL guide has been moved to git and I'm going to try to
resurrect it for F18. (Sparks, 14:53:23)
Meeting ended at 14:58:37 UTC.
Action Items
------------
* Sparks to add relevant git commands to QA procedures
* bcotton to send call for volunteers for QA Wrangler to mailing list
* ianweller to ask the guys behind the packages app if man pages is a
thing they can do
* Sparks to follow up with releng on the progress of koji
* Sparks to test BZ entity in a guide and coordinate with l10n
Action Items, by person
-----------------------
* bcotton
* bcotton to send call for volunteers for QA Wrangler to mailing list
* Sparks
* Sparks to add relevant git commands to QA procedures
* Sparks to follow up with releng on the progress of koji
* Sparks to test BZ entity in a guide and coordinate with l10n
* **UNASSIGNED**
* ianweller to ask the guys behind the packages app if man pages is a
thing they can do
People Present (lines said)
---------------------------
* bcotton (57)
* Sparks (38)
* randomuser (16)
* lnovich (15)
* claneys (6)
* jjmcd (5)
* zodbot (3)
Minutes:
http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2012-08-06/fedora_docs.20...
10:58 < zodbot> Minutes (text):
http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2012-08-06/fedora_docs.20...
10:58 < zodbot> Log:
http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2012-08-06/fedora_docs.20...
--
Ben Cotton
Fedora Docs Leader
11 years, 8 months
Fedora Board Recap 2012-08-08
by Eric Christensen
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Fedora Board Meeting - phone
When: Wednesday, August 8, 2012 @ 18:30 UTC
Today's lucky secretary: Eric
== Attendance ==
=== Present ===
* Robyn Bergeron
* Toshio Kuratomi
* John Rose
* Garrett Holmstrom
* Eric Christensen
* Peter Robinson
=== Regrets ===
* David Nalley
* Christoph Wickert
=== Absent ===
* Jaroslav Reznik
* Nick Bebout
== Agenda ==
* Announcements
** FUDCon Venezuela coming up soon
** FUDCon Paris Subsidies open
* Secure Boot ticket
* Open Floor / Your suggestion here / Who's got good news?
* Next meeting: IRC, 2012-08-15
== Announcements ==
* FUDCon Venezuela coming up soon (23-25 August 2012)
* FUDCon Paris subsidies open (13-15 October 2012)
== Secure Boot Ticket ==
* Spent entire meeting discussing options
* Currently straw poll on Board-private list
=== Timeline ===
* Tomorrow end of day UTC, all votes in this straw poll must be in
* Toshio willwrite up proposal for the straw poll's winner by Friday
end of day UTC
* Vote on final proposal over the weekend
* Be able to take that to the Feature Owners on Monday -- If you don't
vote over the weekend, you have abstained.
== Open Floor ==
* Recognition program:
** Don't want to single out some while overlooking others.
** Have a means for contributors to point out other contributor's hard
work and announce it in the Board meetings.
** The IRC support SIG has a "kudos" system that could be useful as
inspiration.
* Thanks to Fedora Infrastructure for being so friendly and responsive
to community feedback.
* Garrett will be on a plane during next week's meeting. :-(
* Robyn will be at FUDCon Venezuela, ability to get on the intertubes
unknown (23-25 August 2012)
== Next Meeting - IRC - 2012-08-15 ==
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Board_public_IRC_meetings
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Eric "Sparks" Christensen
Fedora Project - https://fedoraproject.org
Member of:
* Fedora Board
* Documentation Project
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11 years, 8 months
FAmNA Meeting (08 August 2012)
by inode0
======================
#fedora-meeting: FAmNA
======================
Meeting started by inode0 at 01:02:49 UTC. The full logs are available
at
http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2012-08-08/famna.2012-08-...
.
Meeting summary
---------------
* Roll Call (inode0, 01:03:21)
* Announcements (inode0, 01:04:50)
* LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/famna/report/9 (inode0, 01:08:09)
* Tickets (inode0, 01:08:22)
* Texas Linux Fest 2012, Aug 3-4, San Antonio, TX (inode0, 01:09:02)
* #10 (Texas Linux Fest 2012, Aug 3-4, San Antonio, TX) – FAmNA
general trac - https://fedorahosted.org/famna/ticket/10 (inode0,
01:09:17)
* Community Leadership Summit 2012, Jul 14-15, Portland, OR (inode0,
01:14:39)
* #23 (Community Leadership Summit 2012, Jul 14-15, Portland, OR) –
FAmNA general trac - https://fedorahosted.org/famna/ticket/23
(inode0, 01:14:51)
* LINK:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Community_Leadership_Summit_2012
(MarkDude, 01:15:22)
* OSCON 2012, Jul 16-20, Portland, OR (inode0, 01:18:18)
* #24 (OSCON 2012, Jul 16-20, Portland, OR) – FAmNA general trac -
https://fedorahosted.org/famna/ticket/24 (inode0, 01:18:29)
* Ohio LinuxFest 2012, Sep 28-30, Columbus, OH (inode0, 01:20:08)
* #26 (Ohio LinuxFest 2012, Sep 28-30, Columbus, OH) – FAmNA general
trac - https://fedorahosted.org/famna/ticket/26 (inode0, 01:20:18)
* LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ohio_Linux_Fest_2012 <-event
page (graphite6, 01:20:39)
* AGREED: Funding for OLF sponsorship and hotel for kk4ewt & son
(inode0, 01:26:11)
* AGREED: $750 Funding allocated to OLF tonight with the understanding
there will be additional travel expenses to come next week (inode0,
01:26:59)
* Fedora Ambassador Day North America (FADNA) (inode0, 01:36:41)
* #36 (Fedora Ambassador Day North America (FADNA)) – FAmNA general
trac - https://fedorahosted.org/famna/ticket/36 (inode0, 01:36:53)
* LINK:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Ambassador_Day_North_America_2012
(MarkDude, 01:40:22)
* LINK:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Ambassador_Day_North_America_2010#A...
(dan408, 01:45:41)
* Open Floor (inode0, 01:59:16)
* LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/famna/ticket/38 (MarkDude,
01:59:25)
* LINK: http://fedorahosted.org/famnarequests (nb, 02:03:13)
* LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/famnarequests/ticket/296 (lh,
02:03:41)
Meeting ended at 02:16:30 UTC.
Action Items
------------
Action Items, by person
-----------------------
* **UNASSIGNED**
* (none)
People Present (lines said)
---------------------------
* inode0 (128)
* dan408 (72)
* MarkDude (68)
* lh (50)
* kk4ewt (37)
* graphite6 (24)
* nb (23)
* rbergeron (20)
* CubedRoot (20)
* farmerrob (15)
* zodbot (12)
* jaysonr (12)
* Sonar_Gal (9)
* masta (7)
* dramsey (5)
* PatStein (2)
* ianweller (1)
John
11 years, 8 months
F18 Alpha Blocker Bug Review #1 Minutes
by Tim Flink
==============================================
#fedora-bugzappers: f18-alpha-blocker-review-1
==============================================
Minutes: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-bugzappers/2012-08-03/f18-alpha-b...
Minutes (text): http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-bugzappers/2012-08-03/f18-alpha-b...
Log: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-bugzappers/2012-08-03/f18-alpha-b...
Meeting summary
---------------
* Roll Call (tflink, 17:01:20)
* introduction (tflink, 17:08:03)
* Our purpose in this meeting is to review proposed blocker and
nice-to-have bugs and decide whether to accept them, and to monitor
the progress of fixing existing accepted blocker and nice-to-have
bugs. (tflink, 17:08:16)
* LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:SOP_Blocker_Bug_Meeting
(tflink, 17:08:48)
* LINK: http://supermegawaffle.com/blockerbugs/current (tflink,
17:08:48)
* LINK:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_18_Final_Release_Criteria
(tflink, 17:08:51)
* LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_18_Beta_Release_Criteria
(tflink, 17:08:53)
* LINK:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_18_Alpha_Release_Criteria
(tflink, 17:08:56)
* 6 Proposed Blockers (tflink, 17:09:12)
* 0 Accepted Blockers (tflink, 17:09:12)
* 0 Proposed NTH (tflink, 17:09:12)
* 0 Accepted NTH (tflink, 17:09:13)
* (726886) gnutls-3.0.21 is available (tflink, 17:10:54)
* LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=726886 (tflink,
17:10:54)
* Proposed Blockers, NEW (tflink, 17:10:56)
* AGREED: - 726886 - RejectedBlocker - Does not violate any of the F18
alpha release criteria and thus does not qualify as a blocker
(tflink, 17:12:58)
* (824191) nfsiso install hangs during reboot (tflink, 17:13:05)
* LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=824191 (tflink,
17:13:06)
* Proposed Blockers, NEW (tflink, 17:13:06)
* AGREED: - 824191 - RejectedBlocker - installing via NFS is not a
part of the alpha release criteria and thus this is not a blocker
for F18 alpha. Re-propose as a blocker for F18 beta and ask for
details in bug (will it work with newui, was it merged to mainline)
(tflink, 17:21:05)
* (835867) systemd-journald is running as kernel_t (tflink, 17:22:03)
* LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=835867 (tflink,
17:22:04)
* Proposed Blockers, ASSIGNED (tflink, 17:22:05)
* AGREED: - 835867 - AcceptedBlocker - Causes systems not to boot
properly and thus is a violation of the F18 alpha release criterion:
"The installer must boot (if appropriate) and run on all primary
architectures, with all system firmware types that are common on
those architectures, from default live image, DVD, and boot.iso
install media when written to an optical disc and when written to a
USB stick with at least one of the officially supported m (tflink,
17:32:00)
* (844504) FTBFS in Rawhide with gphoto 2.5.0 (tflink, 17:32:15)
* LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=844504 (tflink,
17:32:15)
* Proposed Blocker, NEW (tflink, 17:32:18)
* AGREED: - 844504 - AcceptedBlocker - Violates the F18 alpha release
criterion "There must be no file conflicts (cases where the files in
some packages conflict but the packages have explicit Conflicts:
tags are acceptable) or unresolved package dependencies during a
media-based (DVD) install" (tflink, 17:34:42)
* (844510) FTBFS in Rawhide with gphoto 2.5.0 (tflink, 17:34:59)
* LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=844510 (tflink,
17:34:59)
* Proposed Blocker, NEW (tflink, 17:35:01)
* AGREED: - 844510 - AcceptedBlocker - Violates the F18 alpha release
criterion "There must be no file conflicts (cases where the files in
some packages conflict but the packages have explicit Conflicts:
tags are acceptable) or unresolved package dependencies during a
media-based (DVD) install" (tflink, 17:38:53)
* Open Floor (tflink, 17:39:52)
* next blocker meeting will be next week, time TBD pending discussion
on test@ (tflink, 17:46:37)
Meeting ended at 17:52:36 UTC.
Action Items
------------
Action Items, by person
-----------------------
* **UNASSIGNED**
* (none)
People Present (lines said)
---------------------------
* tflink (99)
* adamw (28)
* jreznik (14)
* akshayvyas (11)
* zodbot (9)
* bugbot_ (7)
* Martix (4)
* nirik (3)
* thm (2)
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