8:02 p.m.
Hi all,
xfce 4.16 is expected to be released by the end of the year. I am
planning to submit Xfce 4.16 as a self contained change for Fedora 34.
Before I do that, I would like people to test 4.16 packages on rawhide.
If you can, please test the 4.16 packages in the COPR below and provide
feedback. Of course, these are not *official* packages. Please respond
here on the mailing list or to me directly.
COPR for Xfce 4.16 -
https://copr.fedorainfracloud.org/coprs/nonamedotc/xfce-4.16/
In my tests, I have been able to upgrade from F33 xfce 4.14 packages
with very few problems (e.g. orage needs to be removed). It will help me
for folks to test and let me know if there are problems.
Thanks,
Mukundan.
1:57 a.m.
On 11/27/20 3:02 AM, Mukundan Ragavan wrote:
Hi all,
xfce 4.16 is expected to be released by the end of the year. I am planning to
submit Xfce 4.16 as a self contained change for Fedora 34.
Before I do that, I would like people to test 4.16 packages on rawhide. If you
can, please test the 4.16 packages in the COPR below and provide feedback. Of
course, these are not *official* packages. Please respond here on the mailing
list or to me directly.
COPR for Xfce 4.16 - https://copr.fedorainfracloud.org/coprs/nonamedotc/xfce-4.16/
In my tests, I have been able to upgrade from F33 xfce 4.14 packages with very
few problems (e.g. orage needs to be removed). It will help me for folks to test
and let me know if there are problems.
Is it possible to build those on F33 as well? I'd gladly test them on 33, but I
am not ready to upgrade to rawhide yet.
Thanks,
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Phone: +420777974800
IRC: mhroncok
5:58 a.m.
On 11/27/20 2:57 AM, Miro Hrončok wrote:
On 11/27/20 3:02 AM, Mukundan Ragavan wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> xfce 4.16 is expected to be released by the end of the year. I am
> planning to submit Xfce 4.16 as a self contained change for Fedora 34.
>
> Before I do that, I would like people to test 4.16 packages on
> rawhide. If you can, please test the 4.16 packages in the COPR below
> and provide feedback. Of course, these are not *official* packages.
> Please respond here on the mailing list or to me directly.
>
> COPR for Xfce 4.16 -
> https://copr.fedorainfracloud.org/coprs/nonamedotc/xfce-4.16/
>
> In my tests, I have been able to upgrade from F33 xfce 4.14 packages
> with very few problems (e.g. orage needs to be removed). It will help
> me for folks to test and let me know if there are problems.
Is it possible to build those on F33 as well? I'd gladly test them on
33, but I am not ready to upgrade to rawhide yet.
Thanks,
Sure, I will get it built for F33 as well. Once it is ready, I will
email again.
Thanks!
7:47 p.m.
On 11/27/20 2:57 AM, Miro Hrončok wrote:
On 11/27/20 3:02 AM, Mukundan Ragavan wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> xfce 4.16 is expected to be released by the end of the year. I am
> planning to submit Xfce 4.16 as a self contained change for Fedora 34.
>
> Before I do that, I would like people to test 4.16 packages on
> rawhide. If you can, please test the 4.16 packages in the COPR below
> and provide feedback. Of course, these are not *official* packages.
> Please respond here on the mailing list or to me directly.
>
> COPR for Xfce 4.16 -
> https://copr.fedorainfracloud.org/coprs/nonamedotc/xfce-4.16/
>
> In my tests, I have been able to upgrade from F33 xfce 4.14 packages
> with very few problems (e.g. orage needs to be removed). It will help
> me for folks to test and let me know if there are problems.
Is it possible to build those on F33 as well? I'd gladly test them on
33, but I am not ready to upgrade to rawhide yet.
Thanks,
Hi all,
This COPR for fedora 33 should work.
https://copr.fedorainfracloud.org/coprs/nonamedotc/xfce416-f33/
If you identify any issues and have spec fixes, please submit a pull
request here -
https://pagure.io/xfce-4.16
Thanks.
2:09 a.m.
Thanks for the copr, but it currently fails with the following issues:
dnf upgrade
Last metadata expiration check: 0:26:25 ago on Sat 28 Nov 2020 08:40:47 CET.
Dependencies resolved.
Problem 1: package thunar-vfs-1.2.0-27.fc33.x86_64 requires libexo-1.so.0()(64bit), but
none of the providers can be installed
- cannot install both exo-4.15.3-1.fc33.x86_64 and exo-0.12.11-3.fc33.x86_64
- cannot install both exo-0.12.11-3.fc33.x86_64 and exo-4.15.3-1.fc33.x86_64
- cannot install the best update candidate for package thunar-vfs-1.2.0-27.fc33.x86_64
- cannot install the best update candidate for package exo-0.12.11-3.fc33.x86_64
Problem 2: package xfce4-embed-plugin-1.6.0-12.fc33.x86_64 requires
libxfce4ui-1.so.0()(64bit), but none of the providers can be installed
- cannot install both libxfce4ui-4.15.5-1.fc33.x86_64 and
libxfce4ui-4.14.1-6.fc33.x86_64
- cannot install both libxfce4ui-4.14.1-6.fc33.x86_64 and
libxfce4ui-4.15.5-1.fc33.x86_64
- cannot install the best update candidate for package
xfce4-embed-plugin-1.6.0-12.fc33.x86_64
- cannot install the best update candidate for package libxfce4ui-4.14.1-6.fc33.x86_64
Problem 3: package xfce4-notes-plugin-1.8.1-24.fc33.x86_64 requires
libxfce4panel-1.0.so.4()(64bit), but none of the providers can be installed
- cannot install both xfce4-panel-4.15.5-1.fc33.x86_64 and
xfce4-panel-4.14.4-3.fc33.x86_64
- cannot install both xfce4-panel-4.14.4-3.fc33.x86_64 and
xfce4-panel-4.15.5-1.fc33.x86_64
- cannot install the best update candidate for package xfce4-panel-4.14.4-3.fc33.x86_64
- cannot install the best update candidate for package
xfce4-notes-plugin-1.8.1-24.fc33.x86_64
Problem 4: package orage-4.12.1-16.fc33.x86_64 requires libxfce4panel-1.0.so.4()(64bit),
but none of the providers can be installed
- cannot install both xfce4-panel-4.15.5-1.fc33.x86_64 and
xfce4-panel-4.14.4-3.fc33.x86_64
- cannot install both xfce4-panel-4.14.4-3.fc33.x86_64 and
xfce4-panel-4.15.5-1.fc33.x86_64
- package xfce4-mailwatch-plugin-1.3.0-1.fc33.x86_64 requires xfce4-panel >= 4.15,
but none of the providers can be installed
- cannot install the best update candidate for package
xfce4-mailwatch-plugin-1.2.0-24.fc33.x86_64
- cannot install the best update candidate for package orage-4.12.1-16.fc33.x86_64
Problem 5: problem with installed package xfce4-notes-plugin-1.8.1-24.fc33.x86_64
- package xfce4-notes-plugin-1.8.1-24.fc33.x86_64 requires
libxfce4panel-1.0.so.4()(64bit), but none of the providers can be installed
- cannot install both xfce4-panel-4.15.5-1.fc33.x86_64 and
xfce4-panel-4.14.4-3.fc33.x86_64
- cannot install both xfce4-panel-4.14.4-3.fc33.x86_64 and
xfce4-panel-4.15.5-1.fc33.x86_64
- package xfce4-power-manager-1.7.1-1.fc33.x86_64 requires xfce4-panel >= 4.15, but
none of the providers can be installed
- cannot install the best update candidate for package
xfce4-power-manager-1.6.6-3.fc33.x86_64
Problem 6: problem with installed package xfce4-embed-plugin-1.6.0-12.fc33.x86_64
- package xfce4-embed-plugin-1.6.0-12.fc33.x86_64 requires
libxfce4panel-1.0.so.4()(64bit), but none of the providers can be installed
- cannot install both xfce4-panel-4.15.5-1.fc33.x86_64 and
xfce4-panel-4.14.4-3.fc33.x86_64
- cannot install both xfce4-panel-4.14.4-3.fc33.x86_64 and
xfce4-panel-4.15.5-1.fc33.x86_64
- package xfdesktop-4.15.1-1.fc33.x86_64 requires xfce4-panel >= 4.15, but none of
the providers can be installed
- cannot install the best update candidate for package xfdesktop-4.14.3-1.fc33.x86_64
=================================================================================================================================================================
Package Architecture Version
Repository Size
=================================================================================================================================================================
Upgrading:
Thunar x86_64 4.15.3-1.fc33
copr:copr.fedorainfracloud.org:nonamedotc:xfce416-f33 1.6 M
garcon x86_64 0.7.2-1.fc33
copr:copr.fedorainfracloud.org:nonamedotc:xfce416-f33 227 k
libxfce4util x86_64 4.15.5-1.fc33
copr:copr.fedorainfracloud.org:nonamedotc:xfce416-f33 180 k
mousepad x86_64 0.4.90-1.fc33
copr:copr.fedorainfracloud.org:nonamedotc:xfce416-f33 387 k
thunar-volman x86_64 4.15.1-1.fc33
copr:copr.fedorainfracloud.org:nonamedotc:xfce416-f33 207 k
tumbler x86_64 0.3.1-1.fc33
copr:copr.fedorainfracloud.org:nonamedotc:xfce416-f33 237 k
xfce4-about x86_64 4.15.5-1.fc33
copr:copr.fedorainfracloud.org:nonamedotc:xfce416-f33 89 k
xfce4-appfinder x86_64 4.15.2-1.fc33
copr:copr.fedorainfracloud.org:nonamedotc:xfce416-f33 272 k
xfce4-screensaver x86_64 0.1.11-1.fc33
copr:copr.fedorainfracloud.org:nonamedotc:xfce416-f33 309 k
xfce4-session x86_64 4.15.1-1.fc33
copr:copr.fedorainfracloud.org:nonamedotc:xfce416-f33 523 k
xfce4-settings x86_64 4.15.3-1.fc33
copr:copr.fedorainfracloud.org:nonamedotc:xfce416-f33 1.1 M
xfconf x86_64 4.15.1-1.fc33
copr:copr.fedorainfracloud.org:nonamedotc:xfce416-f33 188 k
xfdashboard x86_64 0.7.90-1.fc33
copr:copr.fedorainfracloud.org:nonamedotc:xfce416-f33 697 k
xfdashboard-themes x86_64 0.7.90-1.fc33
copr:copr.fedorainfracloud.org:nonamedotc:xfce416-f33 1.9 M
xfwm4 x86_64 4.15.3-1.fc33
copr:copr.fedorainfracloud.org:nonamedotc:xfce416-f33 601 k
Skipping packages with conflicts:
(add '--best --allowerasing' to command line to force their upgrade):
exo x86_64 4.15.3-1.fc33
copr:copr.fedorainfracloud.org:nonamedotc:xfce416-f33 462 k
libxfce4ui x86_64 4.15.5-1.fc33
copr:copr.fedorainfracloud.org:nonamedotc:xfce416-f33 283 k
xfce4-panel x86_64 4.15.5-1.fc33
copr:copr.fedorainfracloud.org:nonamedotc:xfce416-f33 1.0 M
Skipping packages with broken dependencies:
xfce4-mailwatch-plugin x86_64 1.3.0-1.fc33
copr:copr.fedorainfracloud.org:nonamedotc:xfce416-f33 244 k
xfce4-power-manager x86_64 1.7.1-1.fc33
copr:copr.fedorainfracloud.org:nonamedotc:xfce416-f33 780 k
xfdesktop x86_64 4.15.1-1.fc33
copr:copr.fedorainfracloud.org:nonamedotc:xfce416-f33 1.1 M
Transaction Summary
=================================================================================================================================================================
Upgrade 15 Packages
Skip 6 Packages
Total download size: 8.4 M
Is this ok [y/N]: N
Operation aborted.
Thank you
johannes
7:27 a.m.
On 11/28/20 3:09 AM, Johannes Lips wrote:
Thanks for the copr, but it currently fails with the following
issues:
dnf upgrade
Last metadata expiration check: 0:26:25 ago on Sat 28 Nov 2020 08:40:47 CET.
Dependencies resolved.
Problem 1: package thunar-vfs-1.2.0-27.fc33.x86_64 requires libexo-1.so.0()(64bit), but
none of the providers can be installed
- cannot install both exo-4.15.3-1.fc33.x86_64 and exo-0.12.11-3.fc33.x86_64
Problem 2: package xfce4-embed-plugin-1.6.0-12.fc33.x86_64 requires
libxfce4ui-1.so.0()(64bit), but none of the providers can be installed
- cannot install both libxfce4ui-4.15.5-1.fc33.x86_64 and
libxfce4ui-4.14.1-6.fc33.x86_64
Problem 3: package xfce4-notes-plugin-1.8.1-24.fc33.x86_64 requires
libxfce4panel-1.0.so.4()(64bit), but none of the providers can be installed
- cannot install both xfce4-panel-4.15.5-1.fc33.x86_64 and
xfce4-panel-4.14.4-3.fc33.x86_64
Problem 4: package orage-4.12.1-16.fc33.x86_64 requires
libxfce4panel-1.0.so.4()(64bit), but none of the providers can be installed
- cannot install both xfce4-panel-4.15.5-1.fc33.x86_64 and
xfce4-panel-4.14.4-3.fc33.x86_64
- cannot install the best update candidate for package orage-4.12.1-16.fc33.x86_64
Problem 5: problem with installed package xfce4-notes-plugin-1.8.1-24.fc33.x86_64
- package xfce4-notes-plugin-1.8.1-24.fc33.x86_64 requires
libxfce4panel-1.0.so.4()(64bit), but none of the providers can be installed
Problem 6: problem with installed package xfce4-embed-plugin-1.6.0-12.fc33.x86_64
- package xfce4-embed-plugin-1.6.0-12.fc33.x86_64 requires
libxfce4panel-1.0.so.4()(64bit), but none of the providers can be installed
Hi Johannes,
So, this is part of "known problems" I was referring to in my original
email. I have only updated those packages that have a 4.16 related
release. This is because I am not sure (yet; I should probably find out)
which plugins will be ported to gtk-3/xfce 4.16 (See roadmap [1]). Some
plugins have been updated (e.g. mailwatch and weather) and work fine
with 4.16 packages.
For now, if you can, please remove the offending packages and test xfce
core. I will continue to update the COPR as releases happen. When I get
this to main repo, appropriate provides/obsoletes will be present.
Thanks.
[1] https://wiki.xfce.org/releng/4.16/roadmap
9:15 p.m.
On Thu, Nov 26, 2020 at 09:02:12PM -0500, Mukundan Ragavan wrote:
Hi all,
xfce 4.16 is expected to be released by the end of the year. I am planning
to submit Xfce 4.16 as a self contained change for Fedora 34.
Sounds great. I was actually meaning to ask about that... :)
Let me know if there's anything I can do to help out.
Before I do that, I would like people to test 4.16 packages on
rawhide. If
you can, please test the 4.16 packages in the COPR below and provide
feedback. Of course, these are not *official* packages. Please respond here
on the mailing list or to me directly.
COPR for Xfce 4.16 -
https://copr.fedorainfracloud.org/coprs/nonamedotc/xfce-4.16/
In my tests, I have been able to upgrade from F33 xfce 4.14 packages with
very few problems (e.g. orage needs to be removed). It will help me for
folks to test and let me know if there are problems.
Things seem pretty working.
One kinda confusing thing is the new scaling. It has 1x (default) and
1.5x and 2x and custom. Any number I enable > 1 causes the screen
resolution to increase more and more (ie, everything is smaller than
native, not larger). If I set it to 0.5 or 0.6 or so it's usable... and
this kind of makes sense if you think of it wanting to scale a highdpi
resolution to a smaller number. It's just backwards of the gnome way
(where scaling means how much to scale all the UI/screens up).
I'm not sure it's a bug or feature. I guess I can file a bug and see
what folks say.
Otherwise everything seems to work here so far. :)
kevin
7:55 a.m.
In my tests, I have been able to upgrade from F33 xfce 4.14 packages
with very few problems (e.g. orage needs to be removed). It will help me
for folks to test and let me know if there are problems.
One thing you can test with the 4.16 series is the "alt+tab window"
behavior on multiple monitors. My patch was initially rejected because
it added a new option and after discussing it with the xfwm4 developer
we came to the conclusion that it was a special window and should be
controlled by the "primary monitor" setting.
So from 4.16 on, when you have a) multiple active non-mirroring
monitors and b) one of them selected as the primary monitor, when you
press alt+tab or whatever shortcut you may use instead to cycle
through windows, the selection window should only appear on the
primary monitor (all of them otherwise).
I don't have the bandwidth to help with testing, but I'm happy to see
I can expect this upgrade for f34.
Thanks!
8:50 p.m.
Xfce 4.16 was released today [1]. I will start building 4.16 packages on
rawhide tomorrow. Official fedora packages for rawhide should be
available in the next two days or so. I have also submitted a
self-contained change for approval (for inclusion with Fedora 34) [1].
I will also update my F33 COPR [2] in the coming days (after I am done
with rawhide).
Mukundan.
[0] https://mail.xfce.org/pipermail/xfce/2020-December/037221.html
[1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/xfce-4.16
[2] https://copr.fedorainfracloud.org/coprs/nonamedotc/xfce416-f33/
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GPG Key: E5C8BC67
3:08 a.m.
On Wed, Dec 23, 2020 at 2:50 AM Mukundan Ragavan <nonamedotc(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Xfce 4.16 was released today [1]. I will start building 4.16 packages on
rawhide tomorrow. Official fedora packages for rawhide should be
available in the next two days or so. I have also submitted a
self-contained change for approval (for inclusion with Fedora 34) [1].
I will also update my F33 COPR [2] in the coming days (after I am done
with rawhide).
I have never tested rawhide or "branched" but this time I would really
be interested in trying Xfce 4.16 with Pipewire as the default audio
manager. How hard would it be to build a live image once the two
changes land in rawhide?
7:07 a.m.
On Wed, Dec 23, 2020 at 4:09 AM Dridi Boukelmoune
<dridi.boukelmoune(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, Dec 23, 2020 at 2:50 AM Mukundan Ragavan <nonamedotc(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Xfce 4.16 was released today [1]. I will start building 4.16 packages on
> rawhide tomorrow. Official fedora packages for rawhide should be
> available in the next two days or so. I have also submitted a
> self-contained change for approval (for inclusion with Fedora 34) [1].
>
> I will also update my F33 COPR [2] in the coming days (after I am done
> with rawhide).
I have never tested rawhide or "branched" but this time I would really
be interested in trying Xfce 4.16 with Pipewire as the default audio
manager. How hard would it be to build a live image once the two
changes land in rawhide?
One thing that'd be *great* is if you changed any dependencies for
"pulseaudio" to "pulseaudio-daemon", because that makes it so we
don't
require a specific implementation and switching to PipeWire won't
uninstall all audio support.
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8:09 a.m.
On 12/23/20 8:07 AM, Neal Gompa wrote:
One thing that'd be *great* is if you changed any dependencies for
"pulseaudio" to "pulseaudio-daemon", because that makes it so we
don't
require a specific implementation and switching to PipeWire won't
uninstall all audio support.
That's good to know. I can do that. pulseaudio-plugin is the target for
this change. But, pulseaudio-plugin needs libpulse to build ...
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8:19 a.m.
That's good to know. I can do that. pulseaudio-plugin is the
target for
this change. But, pulseaudio-plugin needs libpulse to build ...
I think pipewire settled on having a replacement for the pulseaudio
daemon, so this change is transparent for libpulse and its consumers.
Can you make this Requires fixup trickle down to f33 too?
Thanks,
Dridi
8:37 a.m.
On 12/23/20 9:19 AM, Dridi Boukelmoune wrote:
> That's good to know. I can do that. pulseaudio-plugin is the
target for
> this change. But, pulseaudio-plugin needs libpulse to build ...
I think pipewire settled on having a replacement for the pulseaudio
daemon, so this change is transparent for libpulse and its consumers.
Can you make this Requires fixup trickle down to f33 too?
If it works in my hands, yes. :)
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9:19 a.m.
On Wed, Dec 23, 2020 at 9:20 AM Dridi Boukelmoune
<dridi.boukelmoune(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> That's good to know. I can do that. pulseaudio-plugin is the target for
> this change. But, pulseaudio-plugin needs libpulse to build ...
I think pipewire settled on having a replacement for the pulseaudio
daemon, so this change is transparent for libpulse and its consumers.
This is correct. If you don't manually specify "Requires: pulseaudio"
then you don't need to do anything.
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5:05 p.m.
Alright, everything that was released is now built on rawhide (Fedora
proper) and F33 (COPR, [0]). Depending on the mirror that you use, the
new packages will take sometime to sync.
All panel plugins installed by default (from live image) except *orage*
should work fine. There are a few that I have to rebuild but cannot
complete today. Following panel plugins need to be rebuilt -
cellmodem, cpufreq, embed, equake, hardware-monitor, kbdleds,
mpc, notes, sensors, smartbookmark, statusnotifier, timer, wavelan
They may or may not (some of these are old) build but I will know tomorrow.
With that said, please test the packages built so far.
[0] https://copr.fedorainfracloud.org/coprs/nonamedotc/xfce416-f33/
On 12/23/20 10:19 AM, Neal Gompa wrote:
On Wed, Dec 23, 2020 at 9:20 AM Dridi Boukelmoune
<dridi.boukelmoune(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> That's good to know. I can do that. pulseaudio-plugin is the target for
>> this change. But, pulseaudio-plugin needs libpulse to build ...
>
> I think pipewire settled on having a replacement for the pulseaudio
> daemon, so this change is transparent for libpulse and its consumers.
>
This is correct. If you don't manually specify "Requires: pulseaudio"
then you don't need to do anything.
I am probably doing something wrong here but in my (admittedly hasty)
tests, I could not get this to work.
# rpm -qp --requires xfce4-pulseaudio-plugin-0.4.3-4.fc33.x86_64.rpm
libatk-1.0.so.0()(64bit)
libc.so.6()(64bit)
libc.so.6(GLIBC_2.2.5)(64bit)
libc.so.6(GLIBC_2.4)(64bit)
libcairo-gobject.so.2()(64bit)
libcairo.so.2()(64bit)
libexo-2.so.0()(64bit)
libgdk-3.so.0()(64bit)
libgdk_pixbuf-2.0.so.0()(64bit)
libgio-2.0.so.0()(64bit)
libglib-2.0.so.0()(64bit)
libgmodule-2.0.so.0()(64bit)
libgobject-2.0.so.0()(64bit)
libgtk-3.so.0()(64bit)
libharfbuzz.so.0()(64bit)
libkeybinder-3.0.so.0()(64bit)
libm.so.6()(64bit)
libm.so.6(GLIBC_2.2.5)(64bit)
libnotify.so.4()(64bit)
libpango-1.0.so.0()(64bit)
libpangocairo-1.0.so.0()(64bit)
libpulse-mainloop-glib.so.0()(64bit)
libpulse-mainloop-glib.so.0(PULSE_0)(64bit)
libpulse.so.0()(64bit)
libpulse.so.0(PULSE_0)(64bit)
libxfce4panel-2.0.so.4()(64bit)
libxfce4ui-2.so.0()(64bit)
libxfce4util.so.7()(64bit)
libxfconf-0.so.3()(64bit)
pavucontrol <------
pulseaudio-daemon <------
rpmlib(CompressedFileNames) <= 3.0.4-1
rpmlib(FileDigests) <= 4.6.0-1
rpmlib(PayloadFilesHavePrefix) <= 4.0-1
rpmlib(PayloadIsZstd) <= 5.4.18-1
rtld(GNU_HASH)
# dnf install xfce4-pulseaudio-plugin
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Error:
Problem: problem with installed package
pipewire-pulseaudio-0.3.15-2.fc33.x86_64
- package pipewire-pulseaudio-0.3.15-2.fc33.x86_64 conflicts with
pulseaudio-libs provided by pulseaudio-libs-13.99.2-1.fc33.x86_64
- package pipewire-pulseaudio-0.3.13-4.fc33.x86_64 conflicts with
pulseaudio-libs provided by pulseaudio-libs-13.99.2-1.fc33.x86_64
- package xfce4-pulseaudio-plugin-0.4.3-3.fc33.x86_64 requires
libpulse.so.0()(64bit), but none of the providers can be installed
- package xfce4-pulseaudio-plugin-0.4.3-3.fc33.x86_64 requires
libpulse.so.0(PULSE_0)(64bit), but none of the providers can be insta
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I wonder if this is due to pavucontrol being a dependency (pulling in
pulseaudio) ...
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7:05 a.m.
On 24. 12. 20 0:05, Mukundan Ragavan wrote:
Alright, everything that was released is now built on rawhide (Fedora
proper)
and F33 (COPR, [0])...
The Fails To Install script found the following:
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1911076
can't install thunar-vfs:
- nothing provides libexo-1.so.0()(64bit) needed by
thunar-vfs-1.2.0-27.fc33.x86_64
can't install thunar-vfs-devel:
- nothing provides pkgconfig(exo-1) needed by
thunar-vfs-devel-1.2.0-27.fc33.x86_64
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1911081
can't install xfbib:
- nothing provides libxfce4ui-1.so.0()(64bit) needed by
xfbib-0.1.0-13.fc33.x86_64
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1911082
can't install xfce-theme-manager:
- nothing provides libxfce4ui-1.so.0()(64bit) needed by
xfce-theme-manager-0.3.8-4.fc33.x86_64
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1911083
can't install xfce4-cellmodem-plugin:
- nothing provides libxfce4panel-1.0.so.4()(64bit) needed by
xfce4-cellmodem-plugin-0.0.5-28.fc33.x86_64
- nothing provides libxfce4ui-1.so.0()(64bit) needed by
xfce4-cellmodem-plugin-0.0.5-28.fc33.x86_64
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1911084
can't install xfce4-embed-plugin:
- nothing provides libxfce4panel-1.0.so.4()(64bit) needed by
xfce4-embed-plugin-1.6.0-12.fc33.x86_64
- nothing provides libxfce4ui-1.so.0()(64bit) needed by
xfce4-embed-plugin-1.6.0-12.fc33.x86_64
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1911085
can't install xfce4-equake-plugin:
- nothing provides libxfce4panel-1.0.so.4()(64bit) needed by
xfce4-equake-plugin-1.3.8.1-12.fc33.x86_64
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1911086
can't install xfce4-hardware-monitor-plugin:
- nothing provides libxfce4panel-1.0.so.4()(64bit) needed by
xfce4-hardware-monitor-plugin-1.6.0-10.fc34.x86_64
- nothing provides libxfce4ui-1.so.0()(64bit) needed by
xfce4-hardware-monitor-plugin-1.6.0-10.fc34.x86_64
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1911087
can't install xfce4-kbdleds-plugin:
- nothing provides libxfce4panel-1.0.so.4()(64bit) needed by
xfce4-kbdleds-plugin-0.0.6-19.fc33.x86_64
- nothing provides libxfce4ui-1.so.0()(64bit) needed by
xfce4-kbdleds-plugin-0.0.6-19.fc33.x86_64
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1911088
can't install xfce4-notes-plugin:
- nothing provides libxfce4panel-1.0.so.4()(64bit) needed by
xfce4-notes-plugin-1.8.1-24.fc33.x86_64
- nothing provides libxfce4ui-1.so.0()(64bit) needed by
xfce4-notes-plugin-1.8.1-24.fc33.x86_64
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1911089
can't install xfce4-sensors-plugin-devel:
- nothing provides pkgconfig(libxfce4ui-1) needed by
xfce4-sensors-plugin-devel-1.3.92-6.fc33.x86_64
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1911090
can't install xmonad-log-applet-xfce:
- nothing provides libxfce4panel-1.0.so.4()(64bit) needed by
xmonad-log-applet-xfce-2.1.0-21.fc33.x86_64
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7:28 a.m.
On 24. 12. 20 0:05, Mukundan Ragavan wrote:
Alright, everything that was released is now built on rawhide (Fedora
proper)
and F33 (COPR, [0])...
From copr, I get (expected):
Problem 1: package orage-4.12.1-16.fc33.x86_64 requires
libxfce4panel-1.0.so.4()(64bit), but none of the providers can be installed
- cannot install both xfce4-panel-4.16.0-1.fc33.x86_64 and
xfce4-panel-4.14.4-3.fc33.x86_64
- cannot install both xfce4-panel-4.14.4-3.fc33.x86_64 and
xfce4-panel-4.16.0-1.fc33.x86_64
- cannot install the best update candidate for package
xfce4-panel-4.14.4-3.fc33.x86_64
- cannot install the best update candidate for package
orage-4.12.1-16.fc33.x86_64
Problem 2: problem with installed package orage-4.12.1-16.fc33.x86_64
- package orage-4.12.1-16.fc33.x86_64 requires
libxfce4panel-1.0.so.4()(64bit), but none of the providers can be installed
- cannot install both xfce4-panel-4.16.0-1.fc33.x86_64 and
xfce4-panel-4.14.4-3.fc33.x86_64
- cannot install both xfce4-panel-4.14.4-3.fc33.x86_64 and
xfce4-panel-4.16.0-1.fc33.x86_64
- package xfce4-datetime-plugin-0.8.1-1.fc33.x86_64 requires xfce4-panel >=
4.16, but none of the providers can be installed
- cannot install the best update candidate for package
xfce4-datetime-plugin-0.8.0-3.fc33.x86_64
But also (unexpected):
Error: Transaction test error:
file /etc/xdg/xfce4/helpers.rc from install of
xfce4-settings-4.16.0-1.fc33.x86_64 conflicts with file from package
exo-0.12.11-3.fc33.x86_64
file /usr/share/xfce4/helpers/aterm.desktop from install of
xfce4-settings-4.16.0-1.fc33.x86_64 conflicts with file from package
exo-0.12.11-3.fc33.x86_64
file /usr/share/xfce4/helpers/balsa.desktop from install of
xfce4-settings-4.16.0-1.fc33.x86_64 conflicts with file from package
exo-0.12.11-3.fc33.x86_64
file /usr/share/xfce4/helpers/brave.desktop from install of
xfce4-settings-4.16.0-1.fc33.x86_64 conflicts with file from package
exo-0.12.11-3.fc33.x86_64
file /usr/share/xfce4/helpers/caja.desktop from install of
xfce4-settings-4.16.0-1.fc33.x86_64 conflicts with file from package
exo-0.12.11-3.fc33.x86_64
file /usr/share/xfce4/helpers/chromium.desktop from install of
xfce4-settings-4.16.0-1.fc33.x86_64 conflicts with file from package
exo-0.12.11-3.fc33.x86_64
file /usr/share/xfce4/helpers/debian-sensible-browser.desktop from install of
xfce4-settings-4.16.0-1.fc33.x86_64 conflicts with file from package
exo-0.12.11-3.fc33.x86_64
file /usr/share/xfce4/helpers/debian-x-terminal-emulator.desktop from install
of xfce4-settings-4.16.0-1.fc33.x86_64 conflicts with file from package
exo-0.12.11-3.fc33.x86_64
file /usr/share/xfce4/helpers/dillo.desktop from install of
xfce4-settings-4.16.0-1.fc33.x86_64 conflicts with file from package
exo-0.12.11-3.fc33.x86_64
file /usr/share/xfce4/helpers/encompass.desktop from install of
xfce4-settings-4.16.0-1.fc33.x86_64 conflicts with file from package
exo-0.12.11-3.fc33.x86_64
file /usr/share/xfce4/helpers/epiphany.desktop from install of
xfce4-settings-4.16.0-1.fc33.x86_64 conflicts with file from package
exo-0.12.11-3.fc33.x86_64
file /usr/share/xfce4/helpers/eterm.desktop from install of
xfce4-settings-4.16.0-1.fc33.x86_64 conflicts with file from package
exo-0.12.11-3.fc33.x86_64
file /usr/share/xfce4/helpers/evolution.desktop from install of
xfce4-settings-4.16.0-1.fc33.x86_64 conflicts with file from package
exo-0.12.11-3.fc33.x86_64
file /usr/share/xfce4/helpers/firefox.desktop from install of
xfce4-settings-4.16.0-1.fc33.x86_64 conflicts with file from package
exo-0.12.11-3.fc33.x86_64
file /usr/share/xfce4/helpers/galeon.desktop from install of
xfce4-settings-4.16.0-1.fc33.x86_64 conflicts with file from package
exo-0.12.11-3.fc33.x86_64
file /usr/share/xfce4/helpers/geary.desktop from install of
xfce4-settings-4.16.0-1.fc33.x86_64 conflicts with file from package
exo-0.12.11-3.fc33.x86_64
file /usr/share/xfce4/helpers/gnome-terminal.desktop from install of
xfce4-settings-4.16.0-1.fc33.x86_64 conflicts with file from package
exo-0.12.11-3.fc33.x86_64
file /usr/share/xfce4/helpers/google-chrome.desktop from install of
xfce4-settings-4.16.0-1.fc33.x86_64 conflicts with file from package
exo-0.12.11-3.fc33.x86_64
file /usr/share/xfce4/helpers/icecat.desktop from install of
xfce4-settings-4.16.0-1.fc33.x86_64 conflicts with file from package
exo-0.12.11-3.fc33.x86_64
file /usr/share/xfce4/helpers/icedove.desktop from install of
xfce4-settings-4.16.0-1.fc33.x86_64 conflicts with file from package
exo-0.12.11-3.fc33.x86_64
file /usr/share/xfce4/helpers/iceweasel.desktop from install of
xfce4-settings-4.16.0-1.fc33.x86_64 conflicts with file from package
exo-0.12.11-3.fc33.x86_64
file /usr/share/xfce4/helpers/jumanji.desktop from install of
xfce4-settings-4.16.0-1.fc33.x86_64 conflicts with file from package
exo-0.12.11-3.fc33.x86_64
file /usr/share/xfce4/helpers/kmail.desktop from install of
xfce4-settings-4.16.0-1.fc33.x86_64 conflicts with file from package
exo-0.12.11-3.fc33.x86_64
file /usr/share/xfce4/helpers/konqueror.desktop from install of
xfce4-settings-4.16.0-1.fc33.x86_64 conflicts with file from package
exo-0.12.11-3.fc33.x86_64
file /usr/share/xfce4/helpers/links.desktop from install of
xfce4-settings-4.16.0-1.fc33.x86_64 conflicts with file from package
exo-0.12.11-3.fc33.x86_64
file /usr/share/xfce4/helpers/lynx.desktop from install of
xfce4-settings-4.16.0-1.fc33.x86_64 conflicts with file from package
exo-0.12.11-3.fc33.x86_64
file /usr/share/xfce4/helpers/midori.desktop from install of
xfce4-settings-4.16.0-1.fc33.x86_64 conflicts with file from package
exo-0.12.11-3.fc33.x86_64
file /usr/share/xfce4/helpers/mozilla-browser.desktop from install of
xfce4-settings-4.16.0-1.fc33.x86_64 conflicts with file from package
exo-0.12.11-3.fc33.x86_64
file /usr/share/xfce4/helpers/mozilla-mailer.desktop from install of
xfce4-settings-4.16.0-1.fc33.x86_64 conflicts with file from package
exo-0.12.11-3.fc33.x86_64
file /usr/share/xfce4/helpers/mutt.desktop from install of
xfce4-settings-4.16.0-1.fc33.x86_64 conflicts with file from package
exo-0.12.11-3.fc33.x86_64
file /usr/share/xfce4/helpers/nautilus.desktop from install of
xfce4-settings-4.16.0-1.fc33.x86_64 conflicts with file from package
exo-0.12.11-3.fc33.x86_64
file /usr/share/xfce4/helpers/netscape-navigator.desktop from install of
xfce4-settings-4.16.0-1.fc33.x86_64 conflicts with file from package
exo-0.12.11-3.fc33.x86_64
file /usr/share/xfce4/helpers/nxterm.desktop from install of
xfce4-settings-4.16.0-1.fc33.x86_64 conflicts with file from package
exo-0.12.11-3.fc33.x86_64
file /usr/share/xfce4/helpers/opera-browser.desktop from install of
xfce4-settings-4.16.0-1.fc33.x86_64 conflicts with file from package
exo-0.12.11-3.fc33.x86_64
file /usr/share/xfce4/helpers/pcmanfm-qt.desktop from install of
xfce4-settings-4.16.0-1.fc33.x86_64 conflicts with file from package
exo-0.12.11-3.fc33.x86_64
file /usr/share/xfce4/helpers/pcmanfm.desktop from install of
xfce4-settings-4.16.0-1.fc33.x86_64 conflicts with file from package
exo-0.12.11-3.fc33.x86_64
file /usr/share/xfce4/helpers/qterminal.desktop from install of
xfce4-settings-4.16.0-1.fc33.x86_64 conflicts with file from package
exo-0.12.11-3.fc33.x86_64
file /usr/share/xfce4/helpers/qtfm.desktop from install of
xfce4-settings-4.16.0-1.fc33.x86_64 conflicts with file from package
exo-0.12.11-3.fc33.x86_64
file /usr/share/xfce4/helpers/qupzilla.desktop from install of
xfce4-settings-4.16.0-1.fc33.x86_64 conflicts with file from package
exo-0.12.11-3.fc33.x86_64
file /usr/share/xfce4/helpers/rodent.desktop from install of
xfce4-settings-4.16.0-1.fc33.x86_64 conflicts with file from package
exo-0.12.11-3.fc33.x86_64
file /usr/share/xfce4/helpers/rox-filer.desktop from install of
xfce4-settings-4.16.0-1.fc33.x86_64 conflicts with file from package
exo-0.12.11-3.fc33.x86_64
file /usr/share/xfce4/helpers/sakura.desktop from install of
xfce4-settings-4.16.0-1.fc33.x86_64 conflicts with file from package
exo-0.12.11-3.fc33.x86_64
file /usr/share/xfce4/helpers/surf.desktop from install of
xfce4-settings-4.16.0-1.fc33.x86_64 conflicts with file from package
exo-0.12.11-3.fc33.x86_64
file /usr/share/xfce4/helpers/sylpheed-claws.desktop from install of
xfce4-settings-4.16.0-1.fc33.x86_64 conflicts with file from package
exo-0.12.11-3.fc33.x86_64
file /usr/share/xfce4/helpers/sylpheed.desktop from install of
xfce4-settings-4.16.0-1.fc33.x86_64 conflicts with file from package
exo-0.12.11-3.fc33.x86_64
file /usr/share/xfce4/helpers/terminator.desktop from install of
xfce4-settings-4.16.0-1.fc33.x86_64 conflicts with file from package
exo-0.12.11-3.fc33.x86_64
file /usr/share/xfce4/helpers/thunderbird.desktop from install of
xfce4-settings-4.16.0-1.fc33.x86_64 conflicts with file from package
exo-0.12.11-3.fc33.x86_64
file /usr/share/xfce4/helpers/urxvt.desktop from install of
xfce4-settings-4.16.0-1.fc33.x86_64 conflicts with file from package
exo-0.12.11-3.fc33.x86_64
file /usr/share/xfce4/helpers/vimprobable2.desktop from install of
xfce4-settings-4.16.0-1.fc33.x86_64 conflicts with file from package
exo-0.12.11-3.fc33.x86_64
file /usr/share/xfce4/helpers/w3m.desktop from install of
xfce4-settings-4.16.0-1.fc33.x86_64 conflicts with file from package
exo-0.12.11-3.fc33.x86_64
file /usr/share/xfce4/helpers/xfce4-terminal.desktop from install of
xfce4-settings-4.16.0-1.fc33.x86_64 conflicts with file from package
exo-0.12.11-3.fc33.x86_64
file /usr/share/xfce4/helpers/xfe.desktop from install of
xfce4-settings-4.16.0-1.fc33.x86_64 conflicts with file from package
exo-0.12.11-3.fc33.x86_64
file /usr/share/xfce4/helpers/xterm.desktop from install of
xfce4-settings-4.16.0-1.fc33.x86_64 conflicts with file from package
exo-0.12.11-3.fc33.x86_64
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9:15 a.m.
On 12/27/20 8:28 AM, Miro Hrončok wrote:
On 24. 12. 20 0:05, Mukundan Ragavan wrote:
> Alright, everything that was released is now built on rawhide (Fedora
> proper) and F33 (COPR, [0])...
But also (unexpected):
Error: Transaction test error:
file /etc/xdg/xfce4/helpers.rc from install of
xfce4-settings-4.16.0-1.fc33.x86_64 conflicts with file from package
exo-0.12.11-3.fc33.x86_64
file /usr/share/xfce4/helpers/aterm.desktop from install of
xfce4-settings-4.16.0-1.fc33.x86_64 conflicts with file from package
exo-0.12.11-3.fc33.x86_64
file /usr/share/xfce4/helpers/balsa.desktop from install of
xfce4-settings-4.16.0-1.fc33.x86_64 conflicts with file from package
exo-0.12.11-3.fc33.x86_64
file /usr/share/xfce4/helpers/brave.desktop from install of
xfce4-settings-4.16.0-1.fc33.x86_64 conflicts with file from package
exo-0.12.11-3.fc33.x86_64
file /usr/share/xfce4/helpers/caja.desktop from install of
xfce4-settings-4.16.0-1.fc33.x86_64 conflicts with file from package
exo-0.12.11-3.fc33.x86_64
file /usr/share/xfce4/helpers/chromium.desktop from install of
xfce4-settings-4.16.0-1.fc33.x86_64 conflicts with file from package
exo-0.12.11-3.fc33.x86_64
file /usr/share/xfce4/helpers/debian-sensible-browser.desktop from
install of xfce4-settings-4.16.0-1.fc33.x86_64 conflicts with file from
package exo-0.12.11-3.fc33.x86_64
file /usr/share/xfce4/helpers/debian-x-terminal-emulator.desktop from
install of xfce4-settings-4.16.0-1.fc33.x86_64 conflicts with file from
package exo-0.12.11-3.fc33.x86_64
file /usr/share/xfce4/helpers/dillo.desktop from install of
xfce4-settings-4.16.0-1.fc33.x86_64 conflicts with file from package
exo-0.12.11-3.fc33.x86_64
file /usr/share/xfce4/helpers/encompass.desktop from install of
xfce4-settings-4.16.0-1.fc33.x86_64 conflicts with file from package
exo-0.12.11-3.fc33.x86_64
file /usr/share/xfce4/helpers/epiphany.desktop from install of
xfce4-settings-4.16.0-1.fc33.x86_64 conflicts with file from package
exo-0.12.11-3.fc33.x86_64
file /usr/share/xfce4/helpers/eterm.desktop from install of
xfce4-settings-4.16.0-1.fc33.x86_64 conflicts with file from package
exo-0.12.11-3.fc33.x86_64
file /usr/share/xfce4/helpers/evolution.desktop from install of
xfce4-settings-4.16.0-1.fc33.x86_64 conflicts with file from package
exo-0.12.11-3.fc33.x86_64
Hmmm ... I did not see this at all - not in rawhide or f33. :(
I will check again. By the way, I have approved your build permissions
on COPR.
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3:15 p.m.
On 27. 12. 20 17:58, Mukundan Ragavan wrote:
On 12/27/20 10:15 AM, Mukundan Ragavan wrote:
>
>
>
> Hmmm ... I did not see this at all - not in rawhide or f33. :(
>
> I will check again.
I checked again (see the attached log). I still don't see the conflicts. I am
not sure why.
I believe it's because exo is not upgraded here:
Problem: problem with installed package orage-4.12.1-16.fc33.x86_64
- package orage-4.12.1-16.fc33.x86_64 requires
libxfce4panel-1.0.so.4()(64bit), but none of the providers can be installed
- cannot install both xfce4-panel-4.16.0-1.fc33.x86_64 and
xfce4-panel-4.14.4-3.fc33.x86_64
- cannot install both xfce4-panel-4.14.4-3.fc33.x86_64 and
xfce4-panel-4.16.0-1.fc33.x86_64
- package xfce4-mailwatch-plugin-1.3.0-1.fc33.x86_64 requires xfce4-panel >=
4.15, but none of the providers can be installed
- problem with installed package xfce4-mailwatch-plugin-1.2.0-24.fc33.x86_64
- package xfce4-mailwatch-plugin-1.2.0-24.fc33.x86_64 requires
libexo-1.so.0()(64bit), but none of the providers can be installed
- cannot install both exo-4.16.0-1.fc33.x86_64 and exo-0.12.11-3.fc33.x86_64
- cannot install both exo-0.12.11-3.fc33.x86_64 and exo-4.16.0-1.fc33.x86_64
- cannot install the best update candidate for package exo-0.12.11-3.fc33.x86_64
When I remove xfce4-mailwatch-plugin first, I get past the failure.
Maybe xfce4-settings 4.16 should explicitly conflict with exo < 4.16?
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3:21 p.m.
On 12/27/20 4:15 PM, Miro Hrončok wrote:
On 27. 12. 20 17:58, Mukundan Ragavan wrote:
>
>
> On 12/27/20 10:15 AM, Mukundan Ragavan wrote:
>>
>>
When I remove xfce4-mailwatch-plugin first, I get past the failure.
Maybe xfce4-settings 4.16 should explicitly conflict with exo < 4.16?
If you are upgrading from the COPR, mailwatch should also be built for 4.16.
xfce4-mailwatch-plugin x86_64 1.3.0-1.fc33
copr:copr.fedorainfracloud.org:nonamedotc:xfce416-f33 244 k
Are you not upgrading from COPR?
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5:25 a.m.
On 27. 12. 20 22:21, Mukundan Ragavan wrote:
On 12/27/20 4:15 PM, Miro Hrončok wrote:
> On 27. 12. 20 17:58, Mukundan Ragavan wrote:
>>
>>
>> On 12/27/20 10:15 AM, Mukundan Ragavan wrote:
>>>
>>>
>
> When I remove xfce4-mailwatch-plugin first, I get past the failure.
>
> Maybe xfce4-settings 4.16 should explicitly conflict with exo < 4.16?
>
If you are upgrading from the COPR, mailwatch should also be built for 4.16.
xfce4-mailwatch-plugin x86_64 1.3.0-1.fc33
copr:copr.fedorainfracloud.org:nonamedotc:xfce416-f33 244 k
Are you not upgrading from COPR?
I am. I suppose the entire problem is caused by orage. Let's obsolete and retire it?
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8:02 a.m.
On 12/28/20 8:18 AM, Mukundan Ragavan wrote:
On 12/28/20 6:25 AM, Miro Hrončok wrote:
>>
>> Are you not upgrading from COPR?
>
> I am. I suppose the entire problem is caused by orage. Let's obsolete
> and retire it?
>
Yes! I will do that today.
On second thought, I am going to wait to see how many panel plugins we
retire and obsolete everything in one go - including orage.
Obsolete via xfce4-panel -
embed
kbdleds <--- These two are from Johannes' email.
cellmodem
hardware-monitor
Obsolete via thunar -
thunar-vfs
(rebuild xfburn)
Obsolete via xfdesktop(?)
xfbib
Did I miss anything?
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9:57 a.m.
On 28. 12. 20 15:02, Mukundan Ragavan wrote:
Obsolete via xfdesktop(?)
xfbib
This one is installable on other desktop environments.
As such, it can be obsoleted from fedora-obsolete-packages (you don't want
xfdesktop to be installed when xfbib goes away and xfdesktop wasn't installed
prior to that).
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5:05 p.m.
On 12/28/20 10:57 AM, Miro Hrončok wrote:
On 28. 12. 20 15:02, Mukundan Ragavan wrote:
> Obsolete via xfdesktop(?)
>
> xfbib
This one is installable on other desktop environments.
As such, it can be obsoleted from fedora-obsolete-packages (you don't
want xfdesktop to be installed when xfbib goes away and xfdesktop wasn't
installed prior to that).
Does it function normally? If it works, I suppose there is no need to
retire/obsolete it. I can just rebuilt it.
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5:29 p.m.
On 29. 12. 20 0:05, Mukundan Ragavan wrote:
On 12/28/20 10:57 AM, Miro Hrončok wrote:
> On 28. 12. 20 15:02, Mukundan Ragavan wrote:
>> Obsolete via xfdesktop(?)
>>
>> xfbib
>
> This one is installable on other desktop environments.
> As such, it can be obsoleted from fedora-obsolete-packages (you don't want
> xfdesktop to be installed when xfbib goes away and xfdesktop wasn't installed
> prior to that).
>
Does it function normally? If it works, I suppose there is no need to
retire/obsolete it. I can just rebuilt it.
AFAIK it doesn't build with recent libxfce4ui.
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10:39 a.m.
On Mon, 28 Dec 2020, 15:02 Mukundan Ragavan, <nonamedotc(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On 12/28/20 8:18 AM, Mukundan Ragavan wrote:
>
>
> On 12/28/20 6:25 AM, Miro Hrončok wrote:
>>>
>>> Are you not upgrading from COPR?
>>
>> I am. I suppose the entire problem is caused by orage. Let's obsolete
>> and retire it?
>>
>
> Yes! I will do that today.
>
On second thought, I am going to wait to see how many panel plugins we
retire and obsolete everything in one go - including orage.
Obsolete via xfce4-panel -
embed
kbdleds <--- These two are from Johannes' email.
Are you taking care of this or should I do that? If it's not a big deal, I
would be happy if you could retire them together with the other old
applications.
Johannes
cellmodem
hardware-monitor
Obsolete via thunar -
thunar-vfs
(rebuild xfburn)
Obsolete via xfdesktop(?)
xfbib
Did I miss anything?
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5:04 p.m.
On 12/28/20 11:39 AM, Johannes Lips wrote:
On Mon, 28 Dec 2020, 15:02 Mukundan Ragavan, <nonamedotc(a)gmail.com
<mailto:nonamedotc@gmail.com>> wrote:
On 12/28/20 8:18 AM, Mukundan Ragavan wrote:
>
>
> On 12/28/20 6:25 AM, Miro Hrončok wrote:
>>>
>>> Are you not upgrading from COPR?
>>
>> I am. I suppose the entire problem is caused by orage. Let's
obsolete
>> and retire it?
>>
>
> Yes! I will do that today.
>
On second thought, I am going to wait to see how many panel plugins we
retire and obsolete everything in one go - including orage.
Obsolete via xfce4-panel -
embed
kbdleds <--- These two are from Johannes' email.
Are you taking care of this or should I do that? If it's not a big deal,
I would be happy if you could retire them together with the other old
applications.
Johannes
I can take care of this (as long as it is not a permissions issue. I am
a "proven packager").
Cheers,
Mukundan.
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5:22 p.m.
On 12/28/20 11:39 AM, Johannes Lips wrote:
Obsolete via xfce4-panel -
embed
kbdleds <--- These two are from Johannes' email.
cellmodem
hardware-monitor
Obsolete via thunar -
thunar-vfs
(rebuild xfburn)
Obsolete via xfdesktop(?)
xfbib
Did I miss anything?
I have retired everything discussed here.
Thanks.
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4:11 a.m.
I have retired everything discussed here.
Hi,
Earlier I asked whether the Xfce changes relating to pipewire could
trickle down to f33. I'm still planning to give rawhide with Xfce 4.16
and pipewire a try with a live image, but what I meant with f33 is
that currently I can't swap pulseaudio with pipewire-pulseaudio
because xfce4-pulseaudio-plugin currently has an explicit dependency
on the former.
It looks like both pulseaudio and pipewire-pulseaudio packages provide
pulseaudio-daemon, and maybe xfce4-pulseaudio-plugin could depend on
that to work with both implementations. And I was hoping this specific
change could trickle down to f33 so I could test pipewire on my
current f33/Xfce 4.14 system. That's my last show stopper right now.
The other packages that would be erased if I swapped both
implementations today can go away without bothering me too much.
Sorry if that was confusing, and thanks again for maintaining Xfce in Fedora.
Dridi
12:38 p.m.
On Thu, Jan 07, 2021 at 10:11:29AM +0000, Dridi Boukelmoune wrote:
> I have retired everything discussed here.
Hi,
Earlier I asked whether the Xfce changes relating to pipewire could
trickle down to f33. I'm still planning to give rawhide with Xfce 4.16
and pipewire a try with a live image, but what I meant with f33 is
that currently I can't swap pulseaudio with pipewire-pulseaudio
because xfce4-pulseaudio-plugin currently has an explicit dependency
on the former.
It looks like both pulseaudio and pipewire-pulseaudio packages provide
pulseaudio-daemon, and maybe xfce4-pulseaudio-plugin could depend on
that to work with both implementations. And I was hoping this specific
change could trickle down to f33 so I could test pipewire on my
current f33/Xfce 4.14 system. That's my last show stopper right now.
The other packages that would be erased if I swapped both
implementations today can go away without bothering me too much.
Sorry if that was confusing, and thanks again for maintaining Xfce in Fedora.
Yeah, I totally think it makes sense to change xfce4-pulseaudio-plugin
to work with either and move it's dep to 'pulseaudio-daemon' from
'pulseaudio'.
kevin
1:43 p.m.
Hi,
this sounds like a reasonable patch to send upstream.
Please push this to our gitlab so other distros/users also benefit. Thanks!
Cheers
Simon
Kevin Fenzi <kevin(a)scrye.com> schrieb am Do., 7. Jän. 2021, 19:38:
On Thu, Jan 07, 2021 at 10:11:29AM +0000, Dridi Boukelmoune wrote:
> > I have retired everything discussed here.
>
> Hi,
>
> Earlier I asked whether the Xfce changes relating to pipewire could
> trickle down to f33. I'm still planning to give rawhide with Xfce 4.16
> and pipewire a try with a live image, but what I meant with f33 is
> that currently I can't swap pulseaudio with pipewire-pulseaudio
> because xfce4-pulseaudio-plugin currently has an explicit dependency
> on the former.
>
> It looks like both pulseaudio and pipewire-pulseaudio packages provide
> pulseaudio-daemon, and maybe xfce4-pulseaudio-plugin could depend on
> that to work with both implementations. And I was hoping this specific
> change could trickle down to f33 so I could test pipewire on my
> current f33/Xfce 4.14 system. That's my last show stopper right now.
> The other packages that would be erased if I swapped both
> implementations today can go away without bothering me too much.
>
> Sorry if that was confusing, and thanks again for maintaining Xfce in
Fedora.
Yeah, I totally think it makes sense to change xfce4-pulseaudio-plugin
to work with either and move it's dep to 'pulseaudio-daemon' from
'pulseaudio'.
kevin
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4:51 p.m.
On 1/7/21 1:38 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
On Thu, Jan 07, 2021 at 10:11:29AM +0000, Dridi Boukelmoune wrote:
>> I have retired everything discussed here.
>
> Hi,
>
> Earlier I asked whether the Xfce changes relating to pipewire could
> trickle down to f33. I'm still planning to give rawhide with Xfce 4.16
> and pipewire a try with a live image, but what I meant with f33 is
> that currently I can't swap pulseaudio with pipewire-pulseaudio
> because xfce4-pulseaudio-plugin currently has an explicit dependency
> on the former.
>
> It looks like both pulseaudio and pipewire-pulseaudio packages provide
> pulseaudio-daemon, and maybe xfce4-pulseaudio-plugin could depend on
> that to work with both implementations. And I was hoping this specific
> change could trickle down to f33 so I could test pipewire on my
> current f33/Xfce 4.14 system. That's my last show stopper right now.
> The other packages that would be erased if I swapped both
> implementations today can go away without bothering me too much.
>
> Sorry if that was confusing, and thanks again for maintaining Xfce in Fedora.
Yeah, I totally think it makes sense to change xfce4-pulseaudio-plugin
to work with either and move it's dep to 'pulseaudio-daemon' from
'pulseaudio'.
kevin
There is a problem in doing this. If we move to pulseaudio-daemon, we
lose our current volume mixer - pavucontrol (which, I am sure requires
pulseaudio and is not generic). Other DEs, as far as I know (i.e. GNOME,
MATE, and Cinnamon), have their own mixers. pulseaudio-plugin relies on
an external mixer.
I would prefer not to move to without a suitable replacement for
pavucontrol - if we can avoid it. Does pipewire provide a suitable
replacement for pavucontrol?
Does this make sense?
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4:52 p.m.
On Thu, Jan 7, 2021 at 5:51 PM Mukundan Ragavan <nonamedotc(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On 1/7/21 1:38 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 07, 2021 at 10:11:29AM +0000, Dridi Boukelmoune wrote:
>>> I have retired everything discussed here.
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Earlier I asked whether the Xfce changes relating to pipewire could
>> trickle down to f33. I'm still planning to give rawhide with Xfce 4.16
>> and pipewire a try with a live image, but what I meant with f33 is
>> that currently I can't swap pulseaudio with pipewire-pulseaudio
>> because xfce4-pulseaudio-plugin currently has an explicit dependency
>> on the former.
>>
>> It looks like both pulseaudio and pipewire-pulseaudio packages provide
>> pulseaudio-daemon, and maybe xfce4-pulseaudio-plugin could depend on
>> that to work with both implementations. And I was hoping this specific
>> change could trickle down to f33 so I could test pipewire on my
>> current f33/Xfce 4.14 system. That's my last show stopper right now.
>> The other packages that would be erased if I swapped both
>> implementations today can go away without bothering me too much.
>>
>> Sorry if that was confusing, and thanks again for maintaining Xfce in Fedora.
>
> Yeah, I totally think it makes sense to change xfce4-pulseaudio-plugin
> to work with either and move it's dep to 'pulseaudio-daemon' from
> 'pulseaudio'.
>
> kevin
>
>
There is a problem in doing this. If we move to pulseaudio-daemon, we
lose our current volume mixer - pavucontrol (which, I am sure requires
pulseaudio and is not generic). Other DEs, as far as I know (i.e. GNOME,
MATE, and Cinnamon), have their own mixers. pulseaudio-plugin relies on
an external mixer.
I would prefer not to move to without a suitable replacement for
pavucontrol - if we can avoid it. Does pipewire provide a suitable
replacement for pavucontrol?
Does this make sense?
pavucontrol works fine with PipeWire. The libpulse library interacts
with the PipeWire-PulseAudio daemon just fine, and everything
basically works.
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5:03 p.m.
On 1/7/21 5:52 PM, Neal Gompa wrote:
On Thu, Jan 7, 2021 at 5:51 PM Mukundan Ragavan
<nonamedotc(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>
> There is a problem in doing this. If we move to pulseaudio-daemon, we
> lose our current volume mixer - pavucontrol (which, I am sure requires
> pulseaudio and is not generic). Other DEs, as far as I know (i.e. GNOME,
> MATE, and Cinnamon), have their own mixers. pulseaudio-plugin relies on
> an external mixer.
>
> I would prefer not to move to without a suitable replacement for
> pavucontrol - if we can avoid it. Does pipewire provide a suitable
> replacement for pavucontrol?
>
> Does this make sense?
>
pavucontrol works fine with PipeWire. The libpulse library interacts
with the PipeWire-PulseAudio daemon just fine, and everything
basically works.
In that case, I can definitely change it.
I remember seeing something like this -
Problem: problem with installed package
pulseaudio-module-x11-14.0-2.fc33.x86_64
- package pulseaudio-module-x11-14.0-2.fc33.x86_64 requires
libpulsecore-14.0.so()(64bit), but none of the providers can be installed
- package pulseaudio-module-x11-14.0-2.fc33.x86_64 requires
pulseaudio(x86-64) = 14.0-2.fc33, but none of the providers can be installed
- package pulseaudio-module-x11-13.99.2-1.fc33.x86_64 requires
libprotocol-native.so()(64bit), but none of the providers can be installed
This is from my test VM but let me check again.
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6:40 p.m.
On 1/7/21 5:52 PM, Neal Gompa wrote:
>
> There is a problem in doing this. If we move to pulseaudio-daemon, we
> lose our current volume mixer - pavucontrol (which, I am sure requires
> pulseaudio and is not generic). Other DEs, as far as I know (i.e. GNOME,
> MATE, and Cinnamon), have their own mixers. pulseaudio-plugin relies on
> an external mixer.
>
> I would prefer not to move to without a suitable replacement for
> pavucontrol - if we can avoid it. Does pipewire provide a suitable
> replacement for pavucontrol?
>
> Does this make sense?
>
pavucontrol works fine with PipeWire. The libpulse library interacts
with the PipeWire-PulseAudio daemon just fine, and everything
basically works.
Okay, I am clearly missing something here -
# dnf install pavucontrol
Last metadata expiration check: 0:08:55 ago on Thu 07 Jan 2021 07:25:59
PM EST.
Dependencies resolved.
================================================================================================================
Package Architecture Version
Repository Size
================================================================================================================
Installing:
pavucontrol x86_64 4.0-5.fc33
rawhide 171 k
Installing dependencies:
libasyncns x86_64 0.8-19.fc33
rawhide 30 k
libcanberra x86_64 0.30-23.fc33
rawhide 87 k
libcanberra-gtk3 x86_64 0.30-23.fc33
rawhide 32 k
pulseaudio-libs x86_64 14.0-2.fc34
rawhide 691 k
pulseaudio-libs-glib2 x86_64 14.0-2.fc34
rawhide 18 k
sound-theme-freedesktop noarch 0.8-14.fc33
rawhide 378 k
Transaction Summary
================================================================================================================
Install 7 Packages
Total download size: 1.4 M
Installed size: 5.0 M
Is this ok [y/N]:
Operation aborted.
[root@localhost user]# rpm -qa pipewire*
pipewire0.2-libs-0.2.7-4.fc33.x86_64
pipewire-0.3.18-1.fc34.x86_64
pipewire-libs-0.3.18-1.fc34.x86_64
Rebuilding xfce4-pulseaudio-plugin,
--- a/xfce4-pulseaudio-plugin.spec
+++ b/xfce4-pulseaudio-plugin.spec
@@ -27,7 +27,7 @@ BuildRequires: libnotify-devel
Obsoletes: xfce4-mixer <= 4.11
# Obsoletes--->xfce4-volumed <= 0.1.13
-Requires: pulseaudio
+Requires: pulseaudio-daemon
Requires: pavucontrol
# rpm -qp --requires xfce4-pulseaudio-plugin-0.4.3-3.fc34.x86_64.rpm
<snip>
libpulse-mainloop-glib.so.0()(64bit)
libpulse-mainloop-glib.so.0(PULSE_0)(64bit)
libpulse.so.0()(64bit)
libpulse.so.0(PULSE_0)(64bit)
libxfce4panel-2.0.so.4()(64bit)
libxfce4ui-2.so.0()(64bit)
libxfce4util.so.7()(64bit)
libxfconf-0.so.3()(64bit)
pavucontrol
pulseaudio-daemon
What am I doing wrong?
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7:24 a.m.
On Fri, Jan 8, 2021 at 12:40 AM Mukundan Ragavan <nonamedotc(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On 1/7/21 5:52 PM, Neal Gompa wrote:
>>
>> There is a problem in doing this. If we move to pulseaudio-daemon, we
>> lose our current volume mixer - pavucontrol (which, I am sure requires
>> pulseaudio and is not generic). Other DEs, as far as I know (i.e. GNOME,
>> MATE, and Cinnamon), have their own mixers. pulseaudio-plugin relies on
>> an external mixer.
>>
>> I would prefer not to move to without a suitable replacement for
>> pavucontrol - if we can avoid it. Does pipewire provide a suitable
>> replacement for pavucontrol?
>>
>> Does this make sense?
>>
>
> pavucontrol works fine with PipeWire. The libpulse library interacts
> with the PipeWire-PulseAudio daemon just fine, and everything
> basically works.
>
>
>
Okay, I am clearly missing something here -
# dnf install pavucontrol
Last metadata expiration check: 0:08:55 ago on Thu 07 Jan 2021 07:25:59
PM EST.
Dependencies resolved.
================================================================================================================
Package Architecture Version
Repository Size
================================================================================================================
Installing:
pavucontrol x86_64 4.0-5.fc33
rawhide 171 k
Installing dependencies:
libasyncns x86_64 0.8-19.fc33
rawhide 30 k
libcanberra x86_64 0.30-23.fc33
rawhide 87 k
libcanberra-gtk3 x86_64 0.30-23.fc33
rawhide 32 k
pulseaudio-libs x86_64 14.0-2.fc34
rawhide 691 k
pulseaudio-libs-glib2 x86_64 14.0-2.fc34
rawhide 18 k
sound-theme-freedesktop noarch 0.8-14.fc33
rawhide 378 k
Transaction Summary
================================================================================================================
Install 7 Packages
Total download size: 1.4 M
Installed size: 5.0 M
Is this ok [y/N]:
Operation aborted.
[root@localhost user]# rpm -qa pipewire*
pipewire0.2-libs-0.2.7-4.fc33.x86_64
pipewire-0.3.18-1.fc34.x86_64
pipewire-libs-0.3.18-1.fc34.x86_64
Rebuilding xfce4-pulseaudio-plugin,
--- a/xfce4-pulseaudio-plugin.spec
+++ b/xfce4-pulseaudio-plugin.spec
@@ -27,7 +27,7 @@ BuildRequires: libnotify-devel
Obsoletes: xfce4-mixer <= 4.11
# Obsoletes--->xfce4-volumed <= 0.1.13
-Requires: pulseaudio
+Requires: pulseaudio-daemon
Requires: pavucontrol
# rpm -qp --requires xfce4-pulseaudio-plugin-0.4.3-3.fc34.x86_64.rpm
<snip>
libpulse-mainloop-glib.so.0()(64bit)
libpulse-mainloop-glib.so.0(PULSE_0)(64bit)
libpulse.so.0()(64bit)
libpulse.so.0(PULSE_0)(64bit)
libxfce4panel-2.0.so.4()(64bit)
libxfce4ui-2.so.0()(64bit)
libxfce4util.so.7()(64bit)
libxfconf-0.so.3()(64bit)
pavucontrol
pulseaudio-daemon
What am I doing wrong?
I think you are doing nothing wrong, pipewire provides a replacement
for the pulseaudio daemon so clients like pavucontrol or
xfce4-pulseaudio-plugin can keep using libpulse transparently.
11:22 a.m.
On Fri, Jan 08, 2021 at 01:24:24PM +0000, Dridi Boukelmoune wrote:
On Fri, Jan 8, 2021 at 12:40 AM Mukundan Ragavan
<nonamedotc(a)gmail.com> wrote:
...snip...
> What am I doing wrong?
I think you are doing nothing wrong, pipewire provides a replacement
for the pulseaudio daemon so clients like pavucontrol or
xfce4-pulseaudio-plugin can keep using libpulse transparently.
Right. You will still have pulseaudio-libs installed, it's just the
pulseaudio daemon thats getting replaced. So it talks to pipewire
instead of pulseaudio. :)
kevin
4:19 p.m.
On 1/8/21 12:22 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
On Fri, Jan 08, 2021 at 01:24:24PM +0000, Dridi Boukelmoune wrote:
> On Fri, Jan 8, 2021 at 12:40 AM Mukundan Ragavan <nonamedotc(a)gmail.com> wrote:
...snip...
>> What am I doing wrong?
>
> I think you are doing nothing wrong, pipewire provides a replacement
> for the pulseaudio daemon so clients like pavucontrol or
> xfce4-pulseaudio-plugin can keep using libpulse transparently.
Right. You will still have pulseaudio-libs installed, it's just the
pulseaudio daemon thats getting replaced. So it talks to pipewire
instead of pulseaudio. :)
kevin
Thanks Dridi, Kevin, and Neal.
Somewhere along the line, I misunderstood the whole situation as
completely remove everything pulseaudio (libs, bluetooth, etc.). :(
I will push this to git today.
Mukundan.
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5:19 p.m.
On 1/12/21 6:38 AM, Dridi Boukelmoune wrote:
> I will push this to git today.
Running f33 with pipewire now, thanks!
Where can I grab a rawhide live image to try Xfce 4.16 with pipewire too?
Try here -
https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/nightlies.html
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7:29 a.m.
On 12/23/20 4:08 AM, Dridi Boukelmoune wrote:
On Wed, Dec 23, 2020 at 2:50 AM Mukundan Ragavan
<nonamedotc(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Xfce 4.16 was released today [1]. I will start building 4.16 packages on
> rawhide tomorrow. Official fedora packages for rawhide should be
> available in the next two days or so. I have also submitted a
> self-contained change for approval (for inclusion with Fedora 34) [1].
>
> I will also update my F33 COPR [2] in the coming days (after I am done
> with rawhide).
I have never tested rawhide or "branched" but this time I would really
be interested in trying Xfce 4.16 with Pipewire as the default audio
manager. How hard would it be to build a live image once the two
changes land in rawhide?
_______________________________________________
live image should happen automatically via nightly builds.
pipewire - yeah, I have not had the chance to test it out at all ... :(
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9:32 a.m.
Hey Mukundan,
thanks for all your efforts. I would like to ask if it would be possible to
include the unstable version of the notes panel plugin?
Would be great, thanks anyway
Johannes
On Wed, 23 Dec 2020, 03:50 Mukundan Ragavan, <nonamedotc(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Xfce 4.16 was released today [1]. I will start building 4.16 packages on
rawhide tomorrow. Official fedora packages for rawhide should be
available in the next two days or so. I have also submitted a
self-contained change for approval (for inclusion with Fedora 34) [1].
I will also update my F33 COPR [2] in the coming days (after I am done
with rawhide).
Mukundan.
[0] https://mail.xfce.org/pipermail/xfce/2020-December/037221.html
[1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/xfce-4.16
[2] https://copr.fedorainfracloud.org/coprs/nonamedotc/xfce416-f33/
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12:45 p.m.
On 1/23/21 10:32 AM, Johannes Lips wrote:
Hey Mukundan,
thanks for all your efforts. I would like to ask if it would be possible
to include the unstable version of the notes panel plugin?
Would be great, thanks anyway
Johannes
I have already performed a scratch build on rawhide [1] but do not want
to perform a "real" build until we have a stable release. I will update
the COPR shortly.
[1] https://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=60076945
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1 p.m.
On Sun, 24 Jan 2021, 19:45 Mukundan Ragavan, <nonamedotc(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On 1/23/21 10:32 AM, Johannes Lips wrote:
> Hey Mukundan,
>
> thanks for all your efforts. I would like to ask if it would be possible
> to include the unstable version of the notes panel plugin?
>
> Would be great, thanks anyway
> Johannes
>
I have already performed a scratch build on rawhide [1] but do not want
to perform a "real" build until we have a stable release. I will update
the COPR shortly.
Sorry, of course I meant the COPR.
Thanks,
johannes
[1] https://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=60076945
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5:26 p.m.
On 1/24/21 2:00 PM, Johannes Lips wrote:
On Sun, 24 Jan 2021, 19:45 Mukundan Ragavan, <nonamedotc(a)gmail.com
<mailto:nonamedotc@gmail.com>> wrote:
On 1/23/21 10:32 AM, Johannes Lips wrote:
> Hey Mukundan,
>
> thanks for all your efforts. I would like to ask if it would be
possible
> to include the unstable version of the notes panel plugin?
>
> Would be great, thanks anyway
> Johannes
>
I have already performed a scratch build on rawhide [1] but do not want
to perform a "real" build until we have a stable release. I will update
the COPR shortly.
Sorry, of course I meant the COPR.
Thanks,
johannes
Done. Thanks for testing.
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