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FINALLY! there was someone who hated release names as much, if not more than I. I say we forgo a release name on f20, as well.
M
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Today's Topics:
- Re: F20 release name election? (Dan Mashal) 2. Re: F21 schedule:
what would you do with more time? (Chris Murphy) 3. Re: F20 release name election? (Josh Boyer) 4. Re: F19 server install experience (Chris Murphy) 5. Re: F21 schedule: what would you do with more time? (Adam Williamson) 6. Re: F20 release name election? (Chris Murphy) 7. Re: F19 server install experience (Adam Williamson) 8. Re: F19 server install experience (Chris Murphy) 9. Re: F20 release name election? (Dan Mashal) 10. Re: Bundled Flash (Adam Williamson) 11. Re: F19 server install experience (Adam Williamson) 12. Re: F20 release name election? (Billy Crook) 13. Re: F20 release name election? (Chris Murphy) 14. Re: F20 release name election? (Paul Wouters)
Message: 1 Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2013 17:05:57 -0700 From: Dan Mashal dan.mashal@gmail.com To: Development discussions related to Fedora devel@lists.fedoraproject.org Subject: Re: F20 release name election? Message-ID: CALJqFwoUPEcJYdim=QjU-p6QQFr=Au8vJArebEywdGjo3TEgww@mail.gmail.com
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On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 4:44 PM, Chris Murphy lists@colorremedies.com wrote:
*smack own forehead* I like that better than the other options also. For me, one extra point for Vidalia onion over "20".
Heck I like "Crazy Train" based on a recent Matthew Miller assertion.
Assuming there can be no late add ins though, the overwhelmingly obvious correct answer is Heisenbug. I attract more Heisenbugs than anyone I know. It's funny. It's true, they totally exist. And (sorry!) all the other options are snoozers. Now, had it been "Santa's reindeer" that might have made it a *little* less obvious, what the correct answer is.
How about no release name, just this one time. In his honor? I love release names, and while I didn't know Seth very well personally, probably the main reason I use Fedora/RHEL/CentOS is because of yum. He deserves the honor in my opinion. The choices up there are lame.
If i I had to choose I guess I'd vote for Santa Claus but this is ridiculous.
With all due respect can someone please explain to me how this release is "dedicated" to Mr. Vidal?
Dan
Message: 2 Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2013 18:11:16 -0600 From: Chris Murphy lists@colorremedies.com To: Development discussions related to Fedora devel@lists.fedoraproject.org Subject: Re: F21 schedule: what would you do with more time? Message-ID: CB4F8822-2A1A-4093-86E2-030749E2F214@colorremedies.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
On Aug 22, 2013, at 3:03 PM, Adam Williamson awilliam@redhat.com wrote:
QA, releng and anaconda are on a more or less permanent iteration treadmill from Alpha TC1 onwards, severely limiting the time we have to work on anything else. We can only really get substantive work done on 'things that are not release validation' in the ~two months (on a regular cycle) between FNN Go and FNN+1 Alpha TC1.
I'm going to take a wild guess here, QA could probably use a month of going into a black hole for starters, as in, en vacaciones, no me contacte. So in reality, that probably translates into maybe a four day weekend. But how much time do you think QA needs for "things other than release validation"? So far the push back range is a wee bit broad, 2 weeks to six months.
If it needs to be six months, fine. But there's also a risk of losing a lot of momentum with a six month hiatus. That's why I arbitrarily came up with 3 months on the high end. There are still positives to the Fedora pressure cooker (ANOTHER RELEASE NAME IDEA!), a.k.a. crazy train.
Chris Murphy
Message: 3 Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2013 20:12:10 -0400 From: Josh Boyer jwboyer@fedoraproject.org To: Development discussions related to Fedora devel@lists.fedoraproject.org Subject: Re: F20 release name election? Message-ID: CA+5PVA4dSTdHXx0+VLiTxagYkb6LK_dcocMpSXu3bHa_W3OdFA@mail.gmail.com
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On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 8:05 PM, Dan Mashal dan.mashal@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 4:44 PM, Chris Murphy lists@colorremedies.com wrote:
*smack own forehead* I like that better than the other options also. For me, one extra point for Vidalia onion over "20".
Heck I like "Crazy Train" based on a recent Matthew Miller assertion.
Assuming there can be no late add ins though, the overwhelmingly obvious correct answer is Heisenbug. I attract more Heisenbugs than anyone I know. It's funny. It's true, they totally exist. And (sorry!) all the other options are snoozers. Now, had it been "Santa's reindeer" that might have made it a *little* less obvious, what the correct answer is.
How about no release name, just this one time. In his honor? I love release names, and while I didn't know Seth very well personally, probably the main reason I use Fedora/RHEL/CentOS is because of yum. He deserves the honor in my opinion. The choices up there are lame.
The choices are what the community came up with. At this point, that is what we have to chose from.
If i I had to choose I guess I'd vote for Santa Claus but this is ridiculous.
I'm not necessarily disagreeing, but there are essentially two camps right now. Those that don't care about release names one bit (like me), and those that do. If those that do care want better names, they'll need to work harder at creating meaningful suggestions.
The Board has an open ticket on the naming process. We're working through it now, but "no release names" isn't an immediate option because the last time we proposed that the community vote showed names were still desired. Hopefully we'll resolve the ticket shortly and explain how naming needs to work in the future.
With all due respect can someone please explain to me how this release is "dedicated" to Mr. Vidal?
It will be dedicated in the release announcement. Perhaps someone might add something to the download page on the website as well.
josh
Message: 4 Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2013 18:16:43 -0600 From: Chris Murphy lists@colorremedies.com To: Development discussions related to Fedora devel@lists.fedoraproject.org Subject: Re: F19 server install experience Message-ID: E7142298-1A83-45D4-8F4A-36569BD8C991@colorremedies.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
On Aug 22, 2013, at 5:54 PM, Adam Williamson awilliam@redhat.com wrote:
On Sat, 2013-08-17 at 11:57 -0700, Samuel Sieb wrote:
On 08/17/2013 12:28 AM, Adam Williamson wrote:
Yeah, I've seen that kind of thing in some of my tests. A lot of my live installs wind up with New York as the timezone, IIRC.
I'm spacing out which has which behavior, but Live vs Netinst consistently produce different results for me for geoip/timezone selection. One always works (Denver), the other never works (New York). Always the same IP.
One odd thing I noticed while cycling through the consoles was that console 6 had a login prompt on it. I didn't actually try logging in.
Any thoughts on this one? It was rather surprising to find a login prompt during the installing process.
IIRC it's been there for a while, I'm not entirely sure of its purpose. More a question for anaconda team I think.
Oh I use that all the time for top, or taring and scping anaconda logs from tmp.
Chris Murphy
Message: 5 Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2013 17:22:49 -0700 From: Adam Williamson awilliam@redhat.com To: Development discussions related to Fedora devel@lists.fedoraproject.org Subject: Re: F21 schedule: what would you do with more time? Message-ID: 1377217369.10145.1.camel@adam Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
On Thu, 2013-08-22 at 18:11 -0600, Chris Murphy wrote:
On Aug 22, 2013, at 3:03 PM, Adam Williamson awilliam@redhat.com wrote:
QA, releng and anaconda are on a more or less permanent iteration treadmill from Alpha TC1 onwards, severely limiting the time we have to work on anything else. We can only really get substantive work done on 'things that are not release validation' in the ~two months (on a regular cycle) between FNN Go and FNN+1 Alpha TC1.
I'm going to take a wild guess here, QA could probably use a month of going into a black hole for starters, as in, en vacaciones, no me contacte. So in reality, that probably translates into maybe a four day weekend. But how much time do you think QA needs for "things other than release validation"? So far the push back range is a wee bit broad, 2 weeks to six months.
If it needs to be six months, fine. But there's also a risk of losing a lot of momentum with a six month hiatus. That's why I arbitrarily came up with 3 months on the high end. There are still positives to the Fedora pressure cooker (ANOTHER RELEASE NAME IDEA!), a.k.a. crazy train.
The more time we have, the more stuff we can do. We have a list of things we'd like to have that could fill a couple of years of work easy, most likely.
I was thinking three months was not arbitrary, but 'the right amount of time to get back into sync with GNOME', which was one of the aims of our six month cycle prior to F18. If we're going to do a 'hiatus', it would seem sensible to use it to get back into a cycle which works nicely with the GNOME dev cycle. (No, I am not going to use the word 'cadence' at any point in this mail. Damni-)