https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/DefaultAnimatedBackground
== Summary == Fedora Workstation 33 uses animate background as default.
== Owner == * Name: [[User:luya| Luya Tshimbalanga]] * Email: luyaATfedoraproject.org * Product: Workstation
== Detailed Description ==
Starting from Release 33, Fedora Workstation uses default animated background as a visual showcase. Spins and lab maintainers running on desktop environment unable to support animated wallpaper will be able to select a different frame from the default (and variant) background.
== Benefit to Fedora ==
Fedora Workstation will showcase its animated background seamlessly as default.
Does this improve specific Spins or Editions? Design Suite Labs, which is based from Workstation, and Fedora Silverblue will take advantage of its change. Other Spins and Labs will remains unaffected unless their respective maintainers wish to use the default animated background.
== Scope == * Proposal owners: Fedora Workstation may need a slight increase of its ISO file size in order to implement the animated backgrounds which are in PNG format. Each frame from animation will be selectable from the Background Settings.
* Other developers: N/A (not a System Wide Change) * Release engineering: Possibly a slight increase of ISO file. * Policies and guidelines: N/A (not a System Wide Change) * Trademark approval: N/A (not needed for this Change)
== Upgrade/compatibility impact == N/A (not a System Wide Change)
== How To Test == N/A (not a System Wide Change)
== User Experience == Users will notice an animation of the default background related to the time of the day.
== Dependencies == N/A (not a System Wide Change)
== Contingency Plan == * Contingency mechanism: Revert to the default static background * Contingency deadline: N/A (not a System Wide Change) * Blocks release? N/A (not a System Wide Change)
== Documentation == N/A (not a System Wide Change)
== Release Notes == N/A
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On Mon, 2020-06-15 at 16:10 -0400, Ben Cotton wrote:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/DefaultAnimatedBackground
== Summary == Fedora Workstation 33 uses animate background as default.
== Owner ==
- Name: [[User:luya| Luya Tshimbalanga]]
- Email: luyaATfedoraproject.org
- Product: Workstation
== Detailed Description ==
Starting from Release 33, Fedora Workstation uses default animated background as a visual showcase. Spins and lab maintainers running on desktop environment unable to support animated wallpaper will be able to select a different frame from the default (and variant) background.
I was actually surprised that we don't do that already!
== Benefit to Fedora ==
Fedora Workstation will showcase its animated background seamlessly as default.
I am not sure if the Change Proposal is actually needed for this, but thanks for working on it.
Does this improve specific Spins or Editions? Design Suite Labs, which is based from Workstation, and Fedora Silverblue will take advantage of its change. Other Spins and Labs will remains unaffected unless their respective maintainers wish to use the default animated background.
== Scope ==
- Proposal owners:
Fedora Workstation may need a slight increase of its ISO file size in order to implement the animated backgrounds which are in PNG format. Each frame from animation will be selectable from the Background Settings.
- Other developers: N/A (not a System Wide Change)
- Release engineering: Possibly a slight increase of ISO file.
- Policies and guidelines: N/A (not a System Wide Change)
- Trademark approval: N/A (not needed for this Change)
== Upgrade/compatibility impact == N/A (not a System Wide Change)
== How To Test == N/A (not a System Wide Change)
== User Experience == Users will notice an animation of the default background related to the time of the day.
== Dependencies == N/A (not a System Wide Change)
== Contingency Plan ==
- Contingency mechanism: Revert to the default static background
- Contingency deadline: N/A (not a System Wide Change)
- Blocks release? N/A (not a System Wide Change)
== Documentation == N/A (not a System Wide Change)
== Release Notes == N/A
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Ben Cotton wrote:
== Summary == Fedora Workstation 33 uses animate background as default.
== Owner ==
- Name: [[User:luya| Luya Tshimbalanga]]
- Email: luyaATfedoraproject.org
- Product: Workstation
Is this gimmick really worth the extra space used on all deliverables?
== Detailed Description ==
Starting from Release 33, Fedora Workstation uses default animated background as a visual showcase. Spins and lab maintainers running on desktop environment unable to support animated wallpaper will be able to select a different frame from the default (and variant) background.
"select a different frame"? Does that imply that you want to ship the full animated package on all spins, even those that do not support animated backgrounds, and let each spin pick its own preferred version out of the list (because all will be shipped anyway)? As opposed to the current state, where there is a distrowide default static version and the spins that do not use animated backgrounds require only that subpackage? That change would be a significant waste of space with no benefit to the user.
Kevin Kofler
On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 2:41 am, Kevin Kofler kevin.kofler@chello.at wrote:
"select a different frame"? Does that imply that you want to ship the full animated package on all spins, even those that do not support animated backgrounds, and let each spin pick its own preferred version out of the list (because all will be shipped anyway)?
No, see the existing f32-backgrounds.spec for how the subpackaging works. Animated backgrounds are in a separate subpackage that spins do not need to install.
Michael Catanzaro wrote:
No, see the existing f32-backgrounds.spec for how the subpackaging works. Animated backgrounds are in a separate subpackage that spins do not need to install.
My question was whether this Change intends to change that or whether it will stay as now. The formulation is unclear.
If the subpackaging remains as now, that is good.
Kevin Kofler
On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 11:33 pm, Kevin Kofler kevin.kofler@chello.at wrote:
If the subpackaging remains as now, that is good.
So I'm not the change owner, but I think the plan is to leave the subpackaging as it is now in F32 (not F31 where it is wonky).
On 2020-06-16 2:33 p.m., Kevin Kofler wrote:
Michael Catanzaro wrote:
No, see the existing f32-backgrounds.spec for how the subpackaging works. Animated backgrounds are in a separate subpackage that spins do not need to install.
My question was whether this Change intends to change that or whether it will stay as now. The formulation is unclear.
If the subpackaging remains as now, that is good.
Kevin Kofler
The change applied for Fedora 33 while the current subppackages for F32 remains as it is as answered.
Luya Tshimbalanga wrote:
On 2020-06-16 2:33 p.m., Kevin Kofler wrote:
Michael Catanzaro wrote:
No, see the existing f32-backgrounds.spec for how the subpackaging works. Animated backgrounds are in a separate subpackage that spins do not need to install.
My question was whether this Change intends to change that or whether it will stay as now. The formulation is unclear.
If the subpackaging remains as now, that is good.
Kevin Kofler
The change applied for Fedora 33 while the current subppackages for F32 remains as it is as answered.
So you intend to change the subpackaging for Fedora 33? Please don't. The animated backgrounds should remain in a subpackage so that they are only installed on those desktop environments that actually support the animations and do not waste space everywhere else.
Backgrounds are a significant source of bloat for our live images (also because JPEG images are already compressed and hence are not or only barely compressible by xz (or zstd or whatever)). So it is really important to not install variants that will not actually be used.
Kevin Kofler
On Mon, Jun 15, 2020 at 4:11 PM Ben Cotton bcotton@redhat.com wrote:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/DefaultAnimatedBackground
== Summary == Fedora Workstation 33 uses animate background as default.
== Owner ==
- Name: [[User:luya| Luya Tshimbalanga]]
- Email: luyaATfedoraproject.org
- Product: Workstation
== Detailed Description ==
Starting from Release 33, Fedora Workstation uses default animated background as a visual showcase. Spins and lab maintainers running on desktop environment unable to support animated wallpaper will be able to select a different frame from the default (and variant) background.
== Benefit to Fedora ==
Fedora Workstation will showcase its animated background seamlessly as default.
Does this improve specific Spins or Editions? Design Suite Labs, which is based from Workstation, and Fedora Silverblue will take advantage of its change. Other Spins and Labs will remains unaffected unless their respective maintainers wish to use the default animated background.
== Scope ==
- Proposal owners:
Fedora Workstation may need a slight increase of its ISO file size in order to implement the animated backgrounds which are in PNG format. Each frame from animation will be selectable from the Background Settings.
So I'm confused here, does anyone know why the animated wallpapers don't work in KDE Plasma or any other desktop? I personally love animated wallpapers and I'd like to see this on my KDE Plasma desktop too...
That depends on the format of the animated wallpapers, which I can't seem to figure out from this thread nor the changes page.
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Am Mo., 15. Juni 2020 um 21:06 Uhr schrieb Neal Gompa ngompa13@gmail.com:
On Mon, Jun 15, 2020 at 4:11 PM Ben Cotton bcotton@redhat.com wrote:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/DefaultAnimatedBackground
== Summary == Fedora Workstation 33 uses animate background as default.
== Owner ==
- Name: [[User:luya| Luya Tshimbalanga]]
- Email: luyaATfedoraproject.org
- Product: Workstation
== Detailed Description ==
Starting from Release 33, Fedora Workstation uses default animated background as a visual showcase. Spins and lab maintainers running on desktop environment unable to support animated wallpaper will be able to select a different frame from the default (and variant) background.
== Benefit to Fedora ==
Fedora Workstation will showcase its animated background seamlessly as default.
Does this improve specific Spins or Editions? Design Suite Labs, which is based from Workstation, and Fedora Silverblue will take advantage of its change. Other Spins and Labs will remains unaffected unless their respective maintainers wish to use the default animated background.
== Scope ==
- Proposal owners:
Fedora Workstation may need a slight increase of its ISO file size in order to implement the animated backgrounds which are in PNG format. Each frame from animation will be selectable from the Background Settings.
So I'm confused here, does anyone know why the animated wallpapers don't work in KDE Plasma or any other desktop? I personally love animated wallpapers and I'd like to see this on my KDE Plasma desktop too...
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On Mon, Jun 15, 2020 at 09:05:42PM -0400, Neal Gompa wrote:
So I'm confused here, does anyone know why the animated wallpapers don't work in KDE Plasma or any other desktop? I personally love animated wallpapers and I'd like to see this on my KDE Plasma desktop too...
I think KDE does support some kind of live/dynamic wallpaper, but it's done in a completely different way from the gnome implementation. As far as I know there's no standard there.
Xfce has never supported live wallpapers, the code simply does not exist.
kevin
On 6/15/20 9:46 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
On Mon, Jun 15, 2020 at 09:05:42PM -0400, Neal Gompa wrote:
So I'm confused here, does anyone know why the animated wallpapers don't work in KDE Plasma or any other desktop? I personally love animated wallpapers and I'd like to see this on my KDE Plasma desktop too...
I think KDE does support some kind of live/dynamic wallpaper, but it's done in a completely different way from the gnome implementation. As far as I know there's no standard there.
Xfce has never supported live wallpapers, the code simply does not exist.
IDK how exactly it works, but I see that for instance f31-backgrounds-animated has f31-backgrounds-kde as a weak dependency.
On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 11:22 am, Przemek Klosowski via devel devel@lists.fedoraproject.org wrote:
IDK how exactly it works, but I see that for instance f31-backgrounds-animated has f31-backgrounds-kde as a weak dependency.
Looks like the F31 package is broken, the Supplements there do not make sense and pull in desktop-specific subpackages improperly. This problem was identified before the release of F32 and the F32 package is fixed.
On 2020-06-16 8:27 a.m., Michael Catanzaro wrote:
On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 11:22 am, Przemek Klosowski via devel devel@lists.fedoraproject.org wrote:
IDK how exactly it works, but I see that for instance f31-backgrounds-animated has f31-backgrounds-kde as a weak dependency.
Looks like the F31 package is broken, the Supplements there do not make sense and pull in desktop-specific subpackages improperly. This problem was identified before the release of F32 and the F32 package is fixed.
F31 packages and previous will get fixed. Recommends command will get applied for nearly all versions of backgrounds as update.
Dne 16. 06. 20 v 3:05 Neal Gompa napsal(a):
So I'm confused here, does anyone know why the animated wallpapers don't work in KDE Plasma or any other desktop? I personally love animated wallpapers and I'd like to see this on my KDE Plasma desktop too...
https://store.kde.org/p/1295389
Though, I am not using it. No personal experience.
On Mon, Jun 15, 2020 at 10:12 PM Ben Cotton bcotton@redhat.com wrote:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/DefaultAnimatedBackground
== Summary == Fedora Workstation 33 uses animate background as default.
Can somebody enlighten me what an animated background exactly means? Is it like a video/gif running on your background endlessly in a loop? Or does this mean simply a wallpaper slideshow, where the wallpaper changes every X minutes/hours (or possibly based on the daytime, so a different one for the morning/noon/evening/night)? If the latter is correct, am I the only one who sees the term "animated background" as super-confusing here?
On 6/16/20 9:18 AM, Kamil Paral wrote:
On Mon, Jun 15, 2020 at 10:12 PM Ben Cotton <bcotton@redhat.com mailto:bcotton@redhat.com> wrote:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/DefaultAnimatedBackground == Summary == Fedora Workstation 33 uses animate background as default.
Can somebody enlighten me what an animated background exactly means? Is it like a video/gif running on your background endlessly in a loop? Or does this mean simply a wallpaper slideshow, where the wallpaper changes every X minutes/hours (or possibly based on the daytime, so a different one for the morning/noon/evening/night)? If the latter is correct, am I the only one who sees the term "animated background" as super-confusing here?
I would like to support this qeuestion.
Where I like animated backgroundsa and am looking forward to have them done right in fedora, what kind of animation is in the scope here?
- android like for swithing workspace - gif/video like one onisngle worksapce - different bakground on different workspace - chnaging backround fromtime to time - anything else?
What if the spin support onl some subset of what main implementation will bring?
Thanx a lot for effort!
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On Tue, 16 Jun 2020 at 12:14, Jiri Vanek jvanek@redhat.com wrote:
On 6/16/20 9:18 AM, Kamil Paral wrote:
On Mon, Jun 15, 2020 at 10:12 PM Ben Cotton <bcotton@redhat.com mailto:bcotton@redhat.com> wrote:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/DefaultAnimatedBackground == Summary == Fedora Workstation 33 uses animate background as default.
Can somebody enlighten me what an animated background exactly means? Is it like a video/gif running on your background endlessly in a loop? Or does this mean simply a wallpaper slideshow, where the wallpaper changes every X minutes/hours (or possibly based on the daytime, so a different one for the morning/noon/evening/night)? If the latter is correct, am I the only one who sees the term "animated background" as super-confusing here?
I would like to support this qeuestion.
Where I like animated backgroundsa and am looking forward to have them done right in fedora, what kind of animation is in the scope here?
From what I found after a quick search ("gnome animated background"), apparently, it's a video-like effect, but the implementation comprises several static images (e.g., a general background and several smaller parts) and a file defining transitions (e.g., of those parts over that background).
On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 12:24 PM Iñaki Ucar iucar@fedoraproject.org wrote:
From what I found after a quick search ("gnome animated background"), apparently, it's a video-like effect, but the implementation comprises several static images (e.g., a general background and several smaller parts) and a file defining transitions (e.g., of those parts over that background).
The person proposing this Change should supply some video showcasing this, or a very detailed description, otherwise people will have very varying ideas of how this works and looks.
On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 2:03 pm, Kamil Paral kparal@redhat.com wrote:
The person proposing this Change should supply some video showcasing this, or a very detailed description, otherwise people will have very varying ideas of how this works and looks.
$ sudo dnf install f32-backgrounds-animated
Select the animated background in gnome-control-center and see for yourself how it works. :) It's an XML file that describes state transitions between static images. Usually only the colors vary, transitioning to darker colors at night, lighter colors in the morning, standard colors during daytime.
Fedora has supported this for as long as I remember, we just haven't used it by default in a long time. (I think we actually shipped an animated background by default once before a while back, though it's been long enough that I don't remember that for certain.)
On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 8:46 AM Michael Catanzaro mcatanzaro@gnome.org wrote:
On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 2:03 pm, Kamil Paral kparal@redhat.com wrote:
The person proposing this Change should supply some video showcasing this, or a very detailed description, otherwise people will have very varying ideas of how this works and looks.
$ sudo dnf install f32-backgrounds-animated
Select the animated background in gnome-control-center and see for yourself how it works. :) It's an XML file that describes state transitions between static images. Usually only the colors vary, transitioning to darker colors at night, lighter colors in the morning, standard colors during daytime.
Fedora has supported this for as long as I remember, we just haven't used it by default in a long time. (I think we actually shipped an animated background by default once before a while back, though it's been long enough that I don't remember that for certain.)
We did back in Fedora 7, if I recall correctly. :)
On 2020-06-16 5:47 a.m., Neal Gompa wrote:
On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 8:46 AM Michael Catanzaro mcatanzaro@gnome.org wrote:
On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 2:03 pm, Kamil Paral kparal@redhat.com wrote:
The person proposing this Change should supply some video showcasing this, or a very detailed description, otherwise people will have very varying ideas of how this works and looks.
$ sudo dnf install f32-backgrounds-animated
Select the animated background in gnome-control-center and see for yourself how it works. :) It's an XML file that describes state transitions between static images. Usually only the colors vary, transitioning to darker colors at night, lighter colors in the morning, standard colors during daytime.
Fedora has supported this for as long as I remember, we just haven't used it by default in a long time. (I think we actually shipped an animated background by default once before a while back, though it's been long enough that I don't remember that for certain.)
We did back in Fedora 7, if I recall correctly. :)
Thanks for that info. Basically, the goal is to bring back the animated background as default.
On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 7:46 am, Michael Catanzaro mcatanzaro@gnome.org wrote:
Select the animated background in gnome-control-center and see for yourself how it works. :) It's an XML file that describes state transitions between static images. Usually only the colors vary, transitioning to darker colors at night, lighter colors in the morning, standard colors during daytime.
I should add that GNOME upstream has been using animated backgrounds by default since... again, I don't remember, a long time. It's not a gimmick, it actually looks good and works well.
On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 2:47 PM Michael Catanzaro mcatanzaro@gnome.org wrote:
On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 2:03 pm, Kamil Paral kparal@redhat.com wrote:
The person proposing this Change should supply some video showcasing this, or a very detailed description, otherwise people will have very varying ideas of how this works and looks.
$ sudo dnf install f32-backgrounds-animated
Select the animated background in gnome-control-center and see for yourself how it works. :) It's an XML file that describes state transitions between static images. Usually only the colors vary, transitioning to darker colors at night, lighter colors in the morning, standard colors during daytime.
Fedora has supported this for as long as I remember, we just haven't used it by default in a long time. (I think we actually shipped an animated background by default once before a while back, though it's been long enough that I don't remember that for certain.)
Alright, thanks for your explanation (which should've been part of the proposal). So "animated" (which is a very bad choice of terminology, imho) means simply a time-of-day-based slideshow.
On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 11:56:52AM +0200, Kamil Paral wrote:
On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 2:47 PM Michael Catanzaro mcatanzaro@gnome.org wrote:
On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 2:03 pm, Kamil Paral kparal@redhat.com wrote:
The person proposing this Change should supply some video showcasing this, or a very detailed description, otherwise people will have very varying ideas of how this works and looks.
$ sudo dnf install f32-backgrounds-animated
Select the animated background in gnome-control-center and see for yourself how it works. :) It's an XML file that describes state transitions between static images. Usually only the colors vary, transitioning to darker colors at night, lighter colors in the morning, standard colors during daytime.
Fedora has supported this for as long as I remember, we just haven't used it by default in a long time. (I think we actually shipped an animated background by default once before a while back, though it's been long enough that I don't remember that for certain.)
Alright, thanks for your explanation (which should've been part of the proposal). So "animated" (which is a very bad choice of terminology, imho) means simply a time-of-day-based slideshow.
I took the liberty to add a short explanation based on this to the Change page.
Zbyszek
Dne 16. 06. 20 v 14:46 Michael Catanzaro napsal(a):
On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 2:03 pm, Kamil Paral kparal@redhat.com wrote:
The person proposing this Change should supply some video showcasing this, or a very detailed description, otherwise people will have very varying ideas of how this works and looks.
$ sudo dnf install f32-backgrounds-animated
Select the animated background in gnome-control-center and see for yourself how it works. :) It's an XML file that describes state transitions between static images. Usually only the colors vary, transitioning to darker colors at night, lighter colors in the morning, standard colors during daytime.
Wasn't the animated background default in RHEL6? If not, then it was definitely optional.
Vít
Fedora has supported this for as long as I remember, we just haven't used it by default in a long time. (I think we actually shipped an animated background by default once before a while back, though it's been long enough that I don't remember that for certain.)
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