On Friday, 23 October 2020 at 14:45, Aleksandra Fedorova wrote:
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You can blame me for being not clear enough, if you want, but
I'd
rather move on and use the current GCC11 work as an example which
shows the real power of the ELN proposal, and the real benefit for
Fedora which it brings.
Despite the accusation of us bypassing the Fedora Change process, we
are doing a different thing.
GCC11 will definitely go through the Change process as usual.
That's reassuring.
What we are doing right now, is that _before_ making the change to
Fedora mainline, we onboard GCC maintainers, ELN SIG, and RHEL
developers to be the first testers of the upcoming change.
I notice how you're not mentioning general Fedora packagers here at all.
You're explaining what you're doing, but not why.
We actually use Red Hat resources and turn RHEL developers into
pre-alpha-testers of the GCC11 for Fedora. (I hope this is not taken
as an offence, but rather as acknowledgement of the work and effort
invested in it)
No, I'm fine with RHEL devs doing the early integration work.
I appreciate Red Hat providing resources for this work, too.
Still no answer why you wanted to do it this way.
This activity could have been done internally in RHEL, or externally
in some upstream working groups. But ELN now allows us to do this work
in public in Fedora, and invite Fedora community to join it, if they
_want_.
How can we join, then? How is this better than doing this, say, in COPR?
Or a rawhide side-tag.
As we promised by the ELN Change we have provided the platform for
GCC
upstream, RHEL downstream and Fedora community to collaborate on the
work for Fedora, and motivation for Red Hat to sponsor this effort.
So far I haven't seen any clear instructions on how I can, say, rebuild
my packages with GCC11 to catch any fall-out early. Or where you're
going to publish (if at all) the results of any rebuilds you'll perform.
Regards,
Dominik
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