On Sat, 2005-01-22 at 09:37 -0600, Josh Boyer wrote:
On Sat, 2005-01-22 at 16:09 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> Hi
>
> > >
> > > no. fvwm2 is not a typical DE.
> > X+fvwm2 had been the Linux standard desktop environment for many, many
> > years and is still being used by more folks that you might assume.
>
> its not the default DE nor part of fedora at all now.
No, it's not and I'm not advocating that it should be. It was just a
"devils advocate" type of statement.
Right.
Besides this, those who'll need it will know how to install it.
> > Despite some folke here don't seem to get tired to
reiterate this idea,
> > I have to object: That won't be better, It's naive to move KDE out of
> > Core.
>
> I dont see any technical objections here
That's because it's not always a technical issue. It's about choice.
Partially yes.
But it's also a technical, a management and a political issue.
Whether RH or Gnome folks like it or not, it is a matter of fact that
KDE is a Linux Core technology, which can't be ignored by anybody,
comprising Fedora and RH.
Moving KDE to Extras would mean to close out any KDE application from
Core. From a user's perspective this can't be in anybody's interest.
Technically this would raise a lot of problems, esp. for KDE users (E.g.
there would not be any konqueror, kdm until you get Fedora Extras).
RH wants FE to be the a technology preview platform for their products.
To achieve a better desktop integration they will have to take the lead
in their desktop integration. IMO, until now, they did a pretty good job
on that. Compare RH/Fedora's KDE/Gnome interaction with that of other
distributions, and you'll probably understand what I am referring to.
If RH moves KDE out of Core, this will set a "bad" political signal,
which probably will be interpreted as "RH declaring war on KDE".
This can't be in anybody's interest.
Another aspect I consider to be naive is users believing into the
community being able to provide "better KDE packages" than RH does.
Experience tells, this won't work.
Now that's not to say that all the non-base KDE packages have to
be
included with Core. I could see having kdegames, kdepim, kdemultimedia,
etc all in Extras. Same goes for the non-base GNOME packages as well.
Fully
agreed. One should try to reduce the number of desktop (both KDE
and Gnome) *applications* in Core and move them to Extras.
E.g. I would not be opposed to moving mozilla, thunderbird, evolution,
openoffice, {k,x,g}<sometools> to Extras, but their infrastructure
should remain in Core.
If there isn't a desktop environment choice in the Core ISOs,
then
people will either deal with it, or switch to a different distro.
Personally, I'd rather see more people come to Fedora.
Exactly. Feeling
disattracted from SuSE's Gnome integration was one of
the main reasons, why I decided to switch to using RHL-8.0 after having
used SuSE for ca. 8 years.
Now I don't want to see Fedora falling into the same trap as SuSE did.
Ralf