Am 24.03.2014 21:32, schrieb Lennart Poettering:
On Mon, 24.03.14 20:59, Reindl Harald (h.reindl(a)thelounge.net)
wrote:
> Am 24.03.2014 20:27, schrieb Jóhann B. Guðmundsson:
>> But certain people seem to rather want to drown Fedora in bureaucracy and vague
future proposals
>> and working groups instead of doing what needs to be done.
>
> no, certain people want to do something *useful* with their sytems and precious
> time and not remove things and adopt changes with no good reason
>
> if you want to do worthful things go ahead as your QA job and clean systemd
> especially the first one of the following list, they all hurt over months
> and #1072368 comes back with the last systemd releases in Rawhide
You know, Harald, with your constant complaining you are just ensuring
that people will ignore whatever you say
no more ignore is hardly possible
systemd in F19 was perfect
systemd in F20 is horrible from the view of a sysadmin
For example, when I see a bug
reported by you I put it at the very end of my TODO list, because I
really don't want to deal with the constant complaints we are getting
from you.
if you would do your job better i would not have to complain
You know, you are not dumb, and the stuff you post is often quite
relevant to our work, but as long as you post this stuff the way you do
the only thing you will achieve quickly is that we'll ignore what you
say, and that you get moderated again on mailing lists like systemd-devel like
you already got twice. That is a loss, since there are things in what
you say that I find quite relevant. But jeesus, it's so frickin annoying
to deal with you and your writings, you know that?
if it would not feel systemd upstream does not care what
happens left and right maybe the feedback would differnt
did you ever consider that?
upstream does not help in case of Fedora
if the number one downstream distribution can't manage them
upstream should consider that thigs are not working properly
or relatively harmless
define harmless
* frozen terminals in case of reboot remote servers is not harmless
* burry relevant messages in a permanent flood is not harmless
things like where you'd prefer us to generate less log messages.
Making
such a fuss about these things is way over the top. Not a single one of
these you posted is about actual functionality bugs not getting fixed
upstream.
if you ever would have managed 10, 20, 30 servers where you do
things like distribute-command "cat /var/log/messages" and expect
to not get burried by irrelevant notices your point of view would
be different
the problem is that you insist in journald and filtering while
you refuse to understand larger setups
Please try to understand that things like this don't get the
highest
priority on our TODO list. Also, you don't have the privilige of being
entitled to get your own private bugs fixed immeidately, really
i understand that, but you need to understand the reaction because
in fact i do not take anybody serious not face things like
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1010572 after the
first boot - why? because that means the person never looks at
his logs, serious sysadmins do
Yes, it would be nice if we fix them, but open source is really not
just about you demanding things and we giving it to you
you don't get the point
systemd in F19 is working perfect
systemd in F20 is horrible
i do not demand to introduce all that things which are the reason
for now i not consider to upgrade any production machine to F20
It's a two way street, so instead of all the negative energy you
spend
bitching about things, how about actually doing something really constructive,
figuring out a patch or so, for the relevant things, and submitting that?
and that is the problem with you attitude
* making changes left and right
* not care about the impact of users
* demand users to chew the reuslt or fix it themslef