Re: [ELN] gcc is going to be updated to gcc11 in the ELN buildroot ahead of Rawhide

On 10/22/20 8:09 AM, Daniel P. Berrangé wrote: > On Thu, Oct 22, 2020 at 04:03:33PM +0200, Aleksandra Fedorova wrote: >> Hi, Daniel, >> >> On Thu, Oct 22, 2020 at 3:01 PM Daniel P. Berrangé <berrange(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote: >>> On Thu, Oct 22, 2020 at 02:27:13PM +0200, Aleksandra Fedorova wrote: >>>> Hi, all, >>>> >>>> this is the informational message, no action required. >>>> >>>> Upon agreement between gcc maintainers and ELN SIG we would like to >>>> switch ELN buildroot to use GCC11 ahead of Fedora Rawhide. >>>> >>>> Though ELN is defined as the buildroot where Fedora Rawhide code is >>>> rebuilt into EL-like environment, in the ELN proposal we also >>>> mentioned that ELN can be used to test certain buildroot-related >>>> features on the side so it doesn't block Fedora Rawhide development. >>>> >>>> We think that GCC11 is one such feature, where we can benefit from >>>> testing it first on a small subset of the Fedora content in a separate >>>> environment. >>> I'm not very enthusiastic about this change. >>> >>> Fedora maintainers can largely ignore ELN right now, because if stuff >>> works in rawhide, it will generally work in ELN, and someone else is >>> taking care of ELN builds. >>> >>> >>> New GCC releases almost always trigger new compile warnings or bugs >>> in code. So by pushing GCC 11 into ELN, it feels like we're making >>> it much more likely that ELN builds will fail, and now Fedora >>> maintainers have to debug ELN specific problems that won't reproduce >>> in rawhide branches :-( >> Expectations for Fedora maintainers does not change. >> ELN is a development playground. Think about sidetag, with slightly >> better automation around it. >> >> We provide ELN as the opportunity, option to play with early releases >> of the GCC11 on the side. We are not requiring Fedora maintainers to >> participate, we are inviting people who may be interested in this >> work. > As Fedora maintainer I've been sent details of ELN failures / bugs, and > asked to deal with fixes for ELN branches, so there's clearly an expectation > placed on Fedora maintainers to be engaged in ELN. And that's unfortunate. I've tried to signal to the ELN/Bakery folks that they should be contacting me first as any build failure related to teh compiler change I've probably already seen in one form or another. But it doesn't seem to have sunk in.