On 02/14/2014 01:41 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
On Fri, 2014-02-14 at 13:02 -0500, Przemek Klosowski wrote:
> On 01/28/2014 03:12 PM, Richard Hughes wrote:
>
>> On 28 January 2014 18:43, Przemek Klosowski <przemek.klosowski(a)nist.gov>
wrote:
>>> There are two separate issues here: 'abandonment', and
'GUIness'. As to the
>>> latter, I think it's a mistake to have a primary application
installation
>>> tool that only deals with GUI apps, because it relegates text-based tools,
>>> such as 'units', to a second-class status of being hard to find and
to
>>> install.
>> That's not the tool we've designed and built. We've built a GUI
>> application installer, not a package installer.
> While it's not the fault of the installer, I am concerned about that
> distinction. For better or worse, a lot of useful tools seem to be out
> of scope for a 'GUI application installer'. GCC, perl, git, octave, R,
> units, mysql/sqlite3, this kind of thing.
Do you actually want to use a tool like Software to install gcc?
I just can't see why you would. You know gcc is what you want. You don't
need a shiny description and some screenshots and user reviews on a 1-5
star scale. 'yum install gcc' seems a massively better fit. Who would it
benefit to have something like gcc in Software?
I see what you mean, but how do you
install it, and other examples I
provided? It's not just gcc:
it's gcc-gfortran, gcc-arm, mingw64-gcc, msp430-gcc, etc.
If we are providing a next-generation UI for installing, to replace yum,
I think it is a step backwards to take away the full search coverage of
yum. Let's follow gmail's example: no folders, no fixed hierarchy, just
good search. It took me a while to get used to it but I like it now.
Maybe I am getting old and grouchy but I think it's an example of the
disturbing trend to have a separate tool for every little variation of
every function. Just in the last two days I had to consider:
- separate installers for different types of applications
- having to use all of yum check, yum-complete-transaction,
package-cleanup --cleandupes, and rpm --rebuilddb on my failed update
- separate droid apps for reading reddit, slashdot, hackaday, etc.
Computers are supposed to simplify life!
...
Heh, I see my mistake now...