stark wrote:
It's important that we offer a stable environment with maximal technology offerings, but it's also important that users should be able to try out that technology in the form that they're most comfortable with....
Core can not offer all things to all people... if you want to TRY OUT technology..you use the yet to be officially created fedora extras repository when it becomes available. Core can not have 17 different gecko base web browser Core can not have 17 different wysiwyg editors Core can not have 17 different instant message apps. Core can't even possibly have all possible functionality one could possibly want without serious bloating the number of cd images....
If Firefox only makes sense because its "the future" then it should be considered for Core in "the future"
We can NOT keep adding more and more applications into Core without seriously affecting the ease of installation. 7 packed binary disks isn't something i look forward to downloading for fc4. People need to think hard about the legitmate technical merit guidelines to use for throwing things in and out of Core once Extras opens up. Having this debate package by package, for every possible package that could be included/exclude from Core is going to go no where fast.
-jef"i can't wait till Core takes up 3 dvd isos"spaleta
created fedora extras repository when it becomes available.
OK, I'd settle for this.
But seeing as it's not available, how about some INCLUDED docs indicating how to get these apps? I moved to Fedora from FreeBSD and found getting yum and apt-get working very difficult and poorly documented.
I don't care _how_ I just want to be able to find out the answer :)
Dana Lacoste
On Fri, 2004-02-13 at 12:00, stark wrote:
created fedora extras repository when it becomes available.
OK, I'd settle for this.
But seeing as it's not available, how about some INCLUDED docs indicating how to get these apps? I moved to Fedora from FreeBSD and found getting yum and apt-get working very difficult and poorly documented.
I don't care _how_ I just want to be able to find out the answer :)
Dana Lacoste
The Fedora FAQ has a great yum.conf http://fedora.artoo.net/faq/samples/yum.conf just throw that file in /etc and uncomment the DaG repositories for Firefox
On Fri, Feb 13, 2004 at 01:36:05PM -0800, Vincent wrote:
On Fri, 2004-02-13 at 12:00, stark wrote:
created fedora extras repository when it becomes available.
OK, I'd settle for this.
But seeing as it's not available, how about some INCLUDED docs indicating how to get these apps? I moved to Fedora from FreeBSD and found getting yum and apt-get working very difficult and poorly documented.
I don't care _how_ I just want to be able to find out the answer :)
Dana Lacoste
The Fedora FAQ has a great yum.conf http://fedora.artoo.net/faq/samples/yum.conf just throw that file in /etc and uncomment the DaG repositories for Firefox
But that's no use for a newbie. Can't a package be created for FC inclusion with menu entries for installation of 3rd party software? Like java, firefox, flash, etc.?
Regards, Luciano Rocha
On Fri, 2004-02-13 at 14:53, Luciano Miguel Ferreira Rocha wrote:
On Fri, Feb 13, 2004 at 01:36:05PM -0800, Vincent wrote:
On Fri, 2004-02-13 at 12:00, stark wrote:
created fedora extras repository when it becomes available.
OK, I'd settle for this.
But seeing as it's not available, how about some INCLUDED docs indicating how to get these apps? I moved to Fedora from FreeBSD and found getting yum and apt-get working very difficult and poorly documented.
I don't care _how_ I just want to be able to find out the answer :)
Dana Lacoste
The Fedora FAQ has a great yum.conf http://fedora.artoo.net/faq/samples/yum.conf just throw that file in /etc and uncomment the DaG repositories for Firefox
But that's no use for a newbie. Can't a package be created for FC inclusion with menu entries for installation of 3rd party software? Like java, firefox, flash, etc.?
Regards, Luciano Rocha
If they did it by default that would mean they support it, which is not true.
On Fri, Feb 13, 2004 at 03:15:38PM -0800, Vincent wrote:
But that's no use for a newbie. Can't a package be created for FC inclusion with menu entries for installation of 3rd party software? Like java, firefox, flash, etc.?
Regards, Luciano Rocha
If they did it by default that would mean they support it, which is not true.
I'd thought a menu labelled "Unsuported Applications" would be enough.
Regards, Luciano Rocha
On Fri, 13 Feb 2004, Luciano Miguel Ferreira Rocha wrote:
On Fri, Feb 13, 2004 at 03:15:38PM -0800, Vincent wrote:
If they did it by default that would mean they support it, which is not true.
I'd thought a menu labelled "Unsuported Applications" would be enough.
Sounds like you haven't done any real life customer support.
Hugo.
On Sat, Feb 14, 2004 at 09:40:46AM +0100, Hugo van der Kooij wrote:
On Fri, 13 Feb 2004, Luciano Miguel Ferreira Rocha wrote:
On Fri, Feb 13, 2004 at 03:15:38PM -0800, Vincent wrote:
If they did it by default that would mean they support it, which is not true.
I'd thought a menu labelled "Unsuported Applications" would be enough.
Sounds like you haven't done any real life customer support.
No, I haven't. Still, fedora's lists are constantly bombarded with questions about unsupported software. Not much would change, eh?
Regards, Luciano Rocha
On Sat, 2004-02-14 at 12:15, Vincent wrote:
If they did it by default that would mean they support it, which is not true.
Ages ago I was thinking having all these known "certified" 3rd party repositories included in the main yum.conf from core, but dissabled, with a GUI config program that enabled/disabled the other repositories.
Then, a new user could simply be told "run package-config and enable Planet CCRMA, then install xxxxx like this".
On Sat, 2004-02-14 at 10:43, Mark Derricutt wrote:
On Sat, 2004-02-14 at 12:15, Vincent wrote:
If they did it by default that would mean they support it, which is not true.
Ages ago I was thinking having all these known "certified" 3rd party repositories included in the main yum.conf from core, but dissabled, with a GUI config program that enabled/disabled the other repositories.
Then, a new user could simply be told "run package-config and enable Planet CCRMA, then install xxxxx like this".
In a way that holds true. Go to the Fedora FAQ, download the yum.conf and uncomment [livna-stable] and [dag] repositories. then yum -y install foo-plugin etc. This seems easier to me than going though a wizard, I don't see what all the noise is about.
On Sat, Feb 14, 2004 at 01:45:24PM -0800, Vincent wrote:
On Sat, 2004-02-14 at 10:43, Mark Derricutt wrote:
On Sat, 2004-02-14 at 12:15, Vincent wrote:
If they did it by default that would mean they support it, which is not true.
Ages ago I was thinking having all these known "certified" 3rd party repositories included in the main yum.conf from core, but dissabled, with a GUI config program that enabled/disabled the other repositories.
Then, a new user could simply be told "run package-config and enable Planet CCRMA, then install xxxxx like this".
In a way that holds true. Go to the Fedora FAQ, download the yum.conf and uncomment [livna-stable] and [dag] repositories. then yum -y install foo-plugin etc. This seems easier to me than going though a wizard, I don't see what all the noise is about.
I'd be more happy if that information, or a link to the FAQ, was available at installation time. I haven't gone through an installatation lately so I don't know if there's such an info on FC installs.
I'd be even more happy for the wizard. Not for me, as I don't even use gnome, but for those new to the distribution.
But I didn't intend on making noise, so I'll just shut up.
Regards, Luciano Rocha
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