The need for Galeon is not as a a browser but because it is the only quarter decent tool for viewing Gnome help files. Neither Mozilla or Epiphany understand the ghelp "protocol" and for yelp it is an incredible piece of crap. Start gnumeric and try browsing its help. Yelp needed 4 (FOUR) CPU minutes to display something on a PII/400 and it was not a RAM problem but the stupid thing trying to parse the entire help hierarchy instead of the root file. A so long delay makes Gnumeric as good as if it were undocumented because the user cannot afford a so long delay. And you cannot print from Yelp (PLEASE, don't tell me there is a utility for printing ghelp files, the user does not see it on the Gnumeric help men).
I have some users who wanted a spreadsheet running on a Unix platform and given that StarOffice is too heavy for the machine I thought Gnumeric was the answer but without a decent help browser I have had to give up. Fortunately I had an old Redhat 7.3 (with Galeon) otherwise I would have had to advise my users to use Excel.
First time Galeon is started it prompts the user for he wants to use it for displaying gnome-help files (ie the user does not need to navigate in any config utility). In addition Galeon displays them nearly instantaneously AND it can print.
I want my Galeon back!!!!!
On Mon, Mar 08, 2004 at 09:27:43PM +0100, Jean Francois Martinez wrote:
it is an incredible piece of crap. Start gnumeric and try browsing its help. Yelp needed 4 (FOUR) CPU minutes to display something on a PII/400 and it was not a RAM problem but the stupid thing trying
I think you have a problem. WIth FC2t1 it takes a celeron 800 about 10 seconds from hitting the help menu item to getting the complete formatted index.
Alan
On Mon, 2004-03-08 at 23:27, Alan Cox wrote:
On Mon, Mar 08, 2004 at 09:27:43PM +0100, Jean Francois Martinez wrote:
it is an incredible piece of crap. Start gnumeric and try browsing its help. Yelp needed 4 (FOUR) CPU minutes to display something on a PII/400 and it was not a RAM problem but the stupid thing trying
I think you have a problem. WIth FC2t1 it takes a celeron 800 about 10 seconds from hitting the help menu item to getting the complete formatted index.
It was a vanilla, out of the box FC1, swapping was nil and there was no other activity. The four minutes was not elapsed time but CPU time (read through PS). The help displayed was not the general Gnome index (quite fast) but the Gnumeric one. While rendering the Gnumeric help yelp polluted my home directory with a lot of html files. From memory, the box was configured for US/English as default language.
Alan
On Tue, 2004-03-09 at 00:05 +0100, Jean Francois Martinez wrote:
On Mon, 2004-03-08 at 23:27, Alan Cox wrote:
On Mon, Mar 08, 2004 at 09:27:43PM +0100, Jean Francois Martinez wrote:
it is an incredible piece of crap. Start gnumeric and try browsing its help. Yelp needed 4 (FOUR) CPU minutes to display something on a PII/400 and it was not a RAM problem but the stupid thing trying
I think you have a problem. WIth FC2t1 it takes a celeron 800 about 10 seconds from hitting the help menu item to getting the complete formatted index.
It was a vanilla, out of the box FC1, swapping was nil and there was no other activity. The four minutes was not elapsed time but CPU time (read through PS). The help displayed was not the general Gnome index (quite fast) but the Gnumeric one. While rendering the Gnumeric help yelp polluted my home directory with a lot of html files. From memory, the box was configured for US/English as default language.
You should try it again with FC2. Yelp 2.6 is really fast (you cannot compare it with the previous versions) it takes 2-3 seconds to render the Gnumeric help with an Athlon XP 2200+.
Jan Arne Petersen
Jan Arne Petersen wrote:
On Tue, 2004-03-09 at 00:05 +0100, Jean Francois Martinez wrote:
On Mon, 2004-03-08 at 23:27, Alan Cox wrote:
On Mon, Mar 08, 2004 at 09:27:43PM +0100, Jean Francois Martinez wrote:
it is an incredible piece of crap. Start gnumeric and try browsing its help. Yelp needed 4 (FOUR) CPU minutes to display something on a PII/400 and it was not a RAM problem but the stupid thing trying
I think you have a problem. WIth FC2t1 it takes a celeron 800 about 10 seconds from hitting the help menu item to getting the complete formatted index.
It was a vanilla, out of the box FC1, swapping was nil and there was no other activity. The four minutes was not elapsed time but CPU time (read through PS). The help displayed was not the general Gnome index (quite fast) but the Gnumeric one. While rendering the Gnumeric help yelp polluted my home directory with a lot of html files. From memory, the box was configured for US/English as default language.
You should try it again with FC2. Yelp 2.6 is really fast (you cannot compare it with the previous versions) it takes 2-3 seconds to render the Gnumeric help with an Athlon XP 2200+.
Jan Arne Petersen
That still doesn't change the fact that he's right: I, too, want my Galeon back, dangnabbit! And, to be contrary, for web browsing, and nothing more.
-Doug Stewart
On Mon, 2004-03-08 at 21:11 -0500, Doug Stewart wrote:
That still doesn't change the fact that he's right: I, too, want my Galeon back, dangnabbit! And, to be contrary, for web browsing, and nothing more.
-Doug Stewart
Not to say me too, but me too. Epiphany just doesn't handle (or didn't a few months back when I last tried it) hierarchal bookmarks, which I use a lot of. Not only that, but I had several other issues. Galeon is good and fine for me.
Trever -- "Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt." -- A. Lincoln
It sounds like we have several volunteers to do QA then...
https://bugzilla.fedora.us/show_bug.cgi?id=1299
Steve
On Mon, 8 Mar 2004, Trever L. Adams wrote:
On Mon, 2004-03-08 at 21:11 -0500, Doug Stewart wrote:
That still doesn't change the fact that he's right: I, too, want my Galeon back, dangnabbit! And, to be contrary, for web browsing, and nothing more.
-Doug Stewart
Not to say me too, but me too. Epiphany just doesn't handle (or didn't a few months back when I last tried it) hierarchal bookmarks, which I use a lot of. Not only that, but I had several other issues. Galeon is good and fine for me.
So I am taking it that you are volunteering to maintain the 1.x tree of galeon since the 2.x tree is very different in functionality?
On Mon, 2004-03-08 at 20:34 -0700, Stephen Smoogen wrote:
So I am taking it that you are volunteering to maintain the 1.x tree of galeon since the 2.x tree is very different in functionality?
I have not seen any 2.x of Galeon, but I am running 1.3.x. I find it largely the same. The only missing features I wish it had that older ones did was the history functionality... which no one seems to be doing right in Linux right now (Except maybe mozilla proper).
Sure, I may be willing to do this. I would have to look into it.
Trever -- "Black holes are where God divided by zero." -- Unknown
On Tue, Mar 09, 2004 at 12:05:18AM +0100, Jean Francois Martinez wrote:
It was a vanilla, out of the box FC1, swapping was nil and there was no other activity. The four minutes was not elapsed time but CPU time (read through PS). The help displayed was not the general Gnome index (quite fast) but the Gnumeric one. While rendering the Gnumeric help yelp polluted my home directory with a lot of html files. From memory, the box was configured for US/English as default language.
Try Fedora2 Test 1. The docbook to [whatever] convertors are now way way faster
On Tue, Mar 09, 2004 at 07:04:04AM -0500, Alan Cox wrote:
On Tue, Mar 09, 2004 at 12:05:18AM +0100, Jean Francois Martinez wrote:
It was a vanilla, out of the box FC1, swapping was nil and there was no other activity. The four minutes was not elapsed time but CPU time (read through PS). The help displayed was not the general Gnome index (quite fast) but the Gnumeric one. While rendering the Gnumeric help yelp polluted my home directory with a lot of html files. From memory, the box was configured for US/English as default language.
Try Fedora2 Test 1. The docbook to [whatever] convertors are now way way faster
For the people interested, basically the incredible improvements in yelp between FC1 and FC2 are mostly to the credit of Shaun McCance, his motto is "Because Documentation Should Kick Ass" http://www.gnome.org/~shaunm/yelp/ The improvement came by rewriting from scratch the XSLT stylesheets used to format the DocBook used for our doc, the original ones from Norman Walsh are excellent, very complete, but to some extent overengineered to the point of being terribly slow (which is fine for most processing but not on-the-fly help formatting). Shaun took the challenge and simply did it, congrats to him !
Daniel
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