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DUG - Additional Topics
by Marc Wiriadisastra 21 Dec '07

21 Dec '07

Hey All, Before we start working towards the final stages of the DUG (I hope) is there any further requests for additional topics? Cheers, Marc http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Drafts/DesktopUserGuide

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Re: wiki questions, Moin versions, and click-through CLA
by dan＠new2linux.com 21 Dec '07

21 Dec '07

Actually signing the CLA is duck soup. You print the file they send you and mail it to the address given. Could not be more simple. Karl Karl, Did you send your cla via postal mail? If so then that's porbably why you cannot edit the wiki. In order to get wiki edit privileges the have to have your signed cla on file, if the haven't received it yet, or processed it, they cannot give you edit rights on the wiki. Regards, Dan O'Brien

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DUG = Gnome centric
by Marc Wiriadisastra 21 Dec '07

21 Dec '07

Hey All, Need a bit of feedback I know there was discussions about adding KDE/XFCE to the DUG did we get a definite response as to whether we were separating the KDE into a separate DUG or whether we were combining the whole lot? The reason I ask this is because there are a lot of gnome centric lines in there which doesn't bother me but it may affect a new user. My thoughts simply put are create separate guides with overlaps such as copying everything and making a Fedora kde guide. Would love feedback on this one because as I go through I'm trying to remember how KDE runs things. Cheers, Marc

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Re: Enough
by Karsten Wade 20 Dec '07

20 Dec '07

On Thu, 2007-12-20 at 16:56 -0700, Karl Larsen wrote: > I was tired and frustrated. I revert to slang when in this mood and > it is in bad taste. But years ago I owned a business and it was not bad > manners to cuss in business. Sure, we all get tired and frustrated and do some version of cussing. My concern was mainly with the tone and attitude from a contributor toward another contributor. > The current Fedora Doc is almost impossible to join. Much of the > Fedora features have no, or very poor documentation. So I now know why > the documentation is poor. I do not wish those of you who have been here > for years any ill will. > > Please look at the demographic numbers for your group. How much > money did you make last year? How many more are on the staff? All this > will be small and it is because of the way you run it. I presume you mean that as a metaphor? Because there are no staff or profits. Fedora Docs is 100% volunteer contributors, including myself. > Perhaps I should have quit when I planed to. Looking at your plans > the Legal work will take lots of hours through March 08 and that will > slide I'm sure :-) > > Merry Christmas to you all. And to you, as well as a happy New Year. - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, Developer Community Mgr. Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41

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Enough
by Karl Larsen 20 Dec '07

20 Dec '07

The key things are just killing me. I have Seahorse running and it is no help at all. It is just too much for me. Since you will not not let me write for Fedora without all these things done, I will not write for Fedora. Karl Goodbye -- Karl F. Larsen, AKA K5DI Linux User #450462 http://counter.li.org. PGP 28AC 2D41 EF25 0417 7166 DD81 44BD ABFC FA8E C752

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CLA work
by Karl Larsen 20 Dec '07

20 Dec '07

I had trouble with converting the file sent to me by the CLA page which has the needed words to satisfy the requirements when I put in "I Accept" and Karl Larsen. The method I tried was to convert this .txt file to a .txt.asc file. I got that to work after some trouble but when I emailed that back to Fedora it failed. Next I tried another method which may work as well. In the words of the file I got is below: If necessary, you may send it by facsimile to the Project at +1-919-754-3704 or e-mail a signed pdf copy of the document to fedora-legal(a)redhat.com. Please read this document carefully before signing and keep a copy for your records. I decided to make a pdf of the text file called fedora-icla-karl.txt after adding the words asked for in it. This can be done on F7 and F8 using Gedit. You can start Gedit by clicking Applications-> Accessories-> Text Editor and it will come up ready to use. Click New and then look for where your CLA file is and bring it up. Down near the end it asks you to write on the file as shown below: If you agree to these terms and conditions, type "I agree" here: I agree Enter your full name here: Karl Larsen Signing code: 6314c512cb565e955aec16204c1fad48 E-mail: k5di(a)zianet.com Date: 2007-12-18 17:00:49.46 Notice where "I agree" and "Karl Larsen" are written. Using your own name fill these out. Now click on Print... and you have a new panel appear and near the top see where you click for a pdf file. Another panel comes up and you can give the pdf file your own name or take the default "output.pdf". Make sure you save the file by clicking on "Save". On the file is the email address for Red Hat legal which is: fedora-legal(a)redhat.com On this email attach the pdf file you made. When your done you have finished all requirements for joining the Fedora Documentation Group. It might take a day or two before the file is read and approved. Karl -- Karl F. Larsen, AKA K5DI Linux User #450462 http://counter.li.org. PGP 7025 BB6C 7CC3 CFE7 43B2 1574 3279 EBB0 B626 2B7E

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CLA problem +
by Karl Larsen 20 Dec '07

20 Dec '07

I have been looking at what has been happening and decided to see where I got my information on your web site. Below are where I found instructions for getting a key: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/UsingGpg/CreatingKeys http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/AccountSystem/CLAHowTo http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/Join http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/Join/CheckList Next I want to check out the CLA problem because it can be that this problem is a BUG for Fedora 8. Since most of you got this step done with zero trouble on earlier versions of Fedora it smells like something changed. Well you ask for and get a file attached to an email that is: fedora-icla-karl.txt and you are instructed to write: If you agree to these terms and conditions, type "I agree" here: I agree Enter your full name here: Karl Larsen Signing code: 6314c512cb565e955aec16204c1fad48 E-mail: k5di(a)zianet.com Date: 2007-12-18 17:00:49.46 As you can see I did that. Then your supposed to sign this file with your GPG key using a gpg call. Here is what happened. At first it would error out with a complaint that a default was wrong. This went on for some time but then it seemed to work. It asked me for my password which I gave it and it made a new file that looks like this: fedora-icla-karl.txt.gpg This file is not what Fedora wants. I sent it in and it sent an error email back. This file is a binary file now and I have no way to read it. The file that is expected is fedora-icla-karl.asc but on F8 I don't get that. A question. Does anyone get the desired file on F8? This might be another problem. Karl -- Karl F. Larsen, AKA K5DI Linux User #450462 http://counter.li.org. PGP 28AC 2D41 EF25 0417 7166 DD81 44BD ABFC FA8E C752

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I quit
by Karl Larsen 18 Dec '07

18 Dec '07

The instructions to join this group are old and out of date. I have spent enough time trying to get the gpg and ssh things right but your web page says it is all wrong! I have spent 4 days on this and that is too much. I quit. -- Karl F. Larsen, AKA K5DI Linux User #450462 http://counter.li.org. GPG DF28 8F18 94F8 D5C6 9E44 163F 7FD1 3D06 C325 DA40

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Status of effort
by Karl Larsen 18 Dec '07

18 Dec '07

Here is what worked and did not today: [karl@k5di ~]$ gpg -K /home/karl/.gnupg/secring.gpg ----------------------------- sec 1024D/FA8EC752 2007-12-17 uid Karl Larsen (For Fedora Doc work) <k5di(a)zianet.com> ssb 1024g/9A70DE59 2007-12-17 [karl@k5di ~]$ [karl@k5di ~]$ gpg --fingerprint /home/karl/.gnupg/pubring.gpg ----------------------------- pub 1024D/FA8EC752 2007-12-17 Key fingerprint = 28AC 2D41 EF25 0417 7166 DD81 44BD ABFC FA8E C752 uid Karl Larsen (For Fedora Doc work) <k5di(a)zianet.com> sub 1024g/9A70DE59 2007-12-17 I do have a /home/karl/.ssh/ directory and it has: [karl@k5di .ssh]$ ls id_dsa id_dsa.pub known_hosts I think when I put the full address of id_dsa it works on the register page. But FA8EC752 has never worked in the pgpID entry on the register form. This may be because I'm not on the MIT list? Here after I got the dam thing to work it sent FA8EC752 to MIT in nothing flat! Yesterday it thought and thought and then provided an error message. Of course I used the instructions exactly as written on the web page. The point I want to make is that sometimes you can't reach MIT and that MUST be explained in the Instructions. Registration: Went to the web page to register and after correcting some problems it went through. So I am a registered member of the Doc Group, whatever that might mean, but for certain my gpg and ssh numbers were good enough to register. For certain the registration job includes going to gpg.mit and finding my stuff. Contributor License Agreement: I learned that I must fill out and send back a Contributor License Agreement but when I tried to it I got an error. This is what happened: [karl@k5di ~]$ gpg -a --sign fedora-icla-karl.txt gpg: no default secret key: secret key not available gpg: signing failed: secret key not available [karl@k5di ~]$ I have no idea what a "default secret key" is and I guess I need one but no-where in the Instructions does it say do this to make a default secret key. Summary: There are serious errors in the Instructions. I have no way to send the CLA to Fedora except by printing the thing and signing it in ink and mail it to the address given. I have no way to join this Doc and I have D/L "seahorse" and it seems to work. It found both of my GPG and SSH passwords. I will tear up my registration and delete both my keys and re-do it with "seahorse" ONLY if you agree to remove all the manual Terminal Instructions. I ask this because what I did does not work. The new GUI software uses gnupg2 which must be required now. Karl -- Karl F. Larsen, AKA K5DI Linux User #450462 http://counter.li.org. PGP 28AC 2D41 EF25 0417 7166 DD81 44BD ABFC FA8E C752

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settings
by Karl Larsen 18 Dec '07

18 Dec '07

Here is what I have at the time. It doesn't work :-) [karl@k5di ~]$ gpg -K /home/karl/.gnupg/secring.gpg ----------------------------- sec 1024D/FA8EC752 2007-12-17 uid Karl Larsen (For Fedora Doc work) <k5di(a)zianet.com> ssb 1024g/9A70DE59 2007-12-17 [karl@k5di ~]$ [karl@k5di ~]$ gpg --fingerprint /home/karl/.gnupg/pubring.gpg ----------------------------- pub 1024D/FA8EC752 2007-12-17 Key fingerprint = 28AC 2D41 EF25 0417 7166 DD81 44BD ABFC FA8E C752 uid Karl Larsen (For Fedora Doc work) <k5di(a)zianet.com> sub 1024g/9A70DE59 2007-12-17 I do have a /home/karl/.ssh/ directory and it has: [karl@k5di .ssh]$ ls id_dsa id_dsa.pub known_hosts I think when I put the full address of id_dsa it works on the register page. But FA8EC752 has never worked in the pgpID entry on the register form. This may be because I'm not on the MIT list? Karl -- Karl F. Larsen, AKA K5DI Linux User #450462 http://counter.li.org.

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