First off congrats on the packaging everything updated smooth as silk.
Now given all the complaints and finally seeing things with my own eyes. :(
Might I suggest a development branch in the repository? If I recall correctly, there were many mentions that functionality will return as the development progresses for the push to 4.5. However, in the meantime a development branch would allow the updates and testing development versions such as 4.4.85 while continuing to allow for as cautious as possible testing of more stable versions, from the time they are initially pushed (unstable) to considered stable (but of course with the testing done by a relatively small number of users - kde-redhat.testing) to more wide spread testing (testing) to final release (updates).
As it stands 4.4.85 yuch :P - eek!. :o
Eli
Ooops Bad Me. Slap me silly. I just didn't know where to look. I love (on first glance) the new search and launch desktop activity. Very very nice.
Eli
On Wednesday 16 June 2010 07:51:39 Eli Wapniarski wrote:
First off congrats on the packaging everything updated smooth as silk.
Now given all the complaints and finally seeing things with my own eyes. :(
Might I suggest a development branch in the repository? If I recall correctly, there were many mentions that functionality will return as the development progresses for the push to 4.5. However, in the meantime a development branch would allow the updates and testing development versions such as 4.4.85 while continuing to allow for as cautious as possible testing of more stable versions, from the time they are initially pushed (unstable) to considered stable (but of course with the testing done by a relatively small number of users - kde-redhat.testing) to more wide spread testing (testing) to final release (updates).
As it stands 4.4.85 yuch :P - eek!. :o
Eli
Eli Wapniarski wrote:
Might I suggest a development branch in the repository?
I'm sorry, but we don't really have the resources to build packages more often than upstream does prereleases. Building packages looks easy at first, but it turns out to be quite some work.
Kevin Kofler
On Saturday 19 June 2010 01:23:24 Kevin Kofler wrote:
Eli Wapniarski wrote:
Might I suggest a development branch in the repository?
I'm sorry, but we don't really have the resources to build packages more often than upstream does prereleases. Building packages looks easy at first, but it turns out to be quite some work.
Kevin Kofler
Hi Kevin
That's not what I'm suggesting. And I never assumed for one second that building the packages was easy. I know from the small experience that I have building the few packages that I do that it can be quite the pain.
It turns out, that the qt 4.7 beta releases fixed some nagging issues regarding the startup of the Kontact Akonadi combo. Finally, I do not get bugged about not finding resources. The problem fixes issues for the 4.4.x series as well as the 4.5 pre-release issue. Normally a new release gets pushed to unstable (ie 4.4) before moving on to testing etc. But, because unstable was otherwise occupied by 4.4.85, there was not chance for this to happen. Having a development branch would allow this kinda conflict to be resolved. And also allow a more selective push of compenents from development to unstable as favorable results come in such as the 4.7 fix of kdepim.
Eli
Am Samstag 19 Juni 2010, 00:23:24 schrieb Kevin Kofler:
Eli Wapniarski wrote:
Might I suggest a development branch in the repository?
I'm sorry, but we don't really have the resources to build packages more often than upstream does prereleases. Building packages looks easy at first, but it turns out to be quite some work.
openSUSE uses Build Service to automatically generate packages from KDE-Trunk once per week. Build Service can also generate packages for Fedora.
Markus
On Sat, Jun 19, 2010 at 3:56 PM, Markus kamikazow@web.de wrote:
Am Samstag 19 Juni 2010, 00:23:24 schrieb Kevin Kofler:
Eli Wapniarski wrote:
Might I suggest a development branch in the repository?
I'm sorry, but we don't really have the resources to build packages more often than upstream does prereleases. Building packages looks easy at first, but it turns out to be quite some work.
openSUSE uses Build Service to automatically generate packages from KDE-Trunk once per week. Build Service can also generate packages for Fedora.
Thanks, but no thanks. I saw some of them. Not conform to what we do.
Markus wrote:
openSUSE uses Build Service to automatically generate packages from KDE-Trunk once per week.
Those packages are mostly vanilla, missing most of openSUSE's many patches. We want our packages to have our patches. They're all there for a reason. It takes work to rebase those patches.
The packages also don't even come close to conforming to the Fedora packaging guidelines.
Build Service can also generate packages for Fedora.
A build system is not what we're missing.
And I strongly recommend against using Fedora-targeted packages out of the openSUSE Build Service for something as central as KDE, it's bound to cause many incompatibilities, unless we just use it to build the same kind of packages we do now, and then the service doesn't help us much, since building is not where most of the work is in, rebasing stuff and fixing stuff which doesn't build is.
Kevin Kofler
I didn't mean that Fedora should use openSUSE's packages. I just meant to simply inform that there is a GPL tool out there (Build Service) that is capable to grab snapshots from a SVN and compile them for various distros, incl. Fedora.
Markus
Am Sonntag 20 Juni 2010, 01:08:57 schrieb Kevin Kofler:
Markus wrote:
openSUSE uses Build Service to automatically generate packages from KDE-Trunk once per week.
Those packages are mostly vanilla, missing most of openSUSE's many patches. We want our packages to have our patches. They're all there for a reason. It takes work to rebase those patches.
The packages also don't even come close to conforming to the Fedora packaging guidelines.
Build Service can also generate packages for Fedora.
A build system is not what we're missing.
And I strongly recommend against using Fedora-targeted packages out of the openSUSE Build Service for something as central as KDE, it's bound to cause many incompatibilities, unless we just use it to build the same kind of packages we do now, and then the service doesn't help us much, since building is not where most of the work is in, rebasing stuff and fixing stuff which doesn't build is.
Kevin Kofler
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