On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 12:03 PM, Eli Wapniarski <eli(a)orbsky.homelinux.org&gt; wrote: Hard to tell. I know of one fix that i'm expecting soon, that Rex has confirmed in in. But it's really more of a missing 3.5 feature than a fix. I'm waiting on fixes for two other bugs. -- Fedora 10 (www.pembo13.com)

On Saturday 30 May 2009 18:03:19 Eli Wapniarski wrote: Dozens of them. Anything particular in mind? Anne -- New to KDE4? - get help from http://userbase.kde.org Just found a cool new feature? Add it to UserBase

On Sat, 30 May 2009 17:24:52 -0430, "Patrick O'Callaghan" <pocallaghan(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: add KDE 4.3 I'd guess :) -- Met vriendelijke groet / With kind regards, Eelko Berkenpies

On Saturday 30 May 2009 23:21:36 Anne Wilson wrote: Here: These are the ones I've checked at first glance. Almost all of them Konqueror related, And none of the Konqueror bugs have been addressed. Leave a this for starters. https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=157454 https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=172534 https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=106367 https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=157481 https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=157483 https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=167825 The last on complains about the lack of capability to stretch panels across 2 monitors. And this lack, in my desktop environment, represents a real useabiltiy bug. Serious enough for me to move to xfce which does this flawlessly. As for konqueror vs firefox. Look firefox is not a kde app. Its mime types automatically link to gtk apps. Currently and more and more tentatively I use kde. I do not want to use gtk apps to read pdf or view multimedia or evolution and I do not want to have to manually reconfigure the gazillion or so mime types to open kde apps. If I want to use gtk apps I would use a gtk based windows manager. I use kde and a core application is very badly broken. Look I need to say this; plasmoids are a very very nice idea. They look great and make the desktop look cool. The things is the desktop is next to useless. It gets covered up as soon as you use your computer to do anything at all. Unless of course the way you use your computer is to simply stare at your cool desktop. Heck I even have a package out there of a plasmoid. But being the end all and be all of windows management is a colossal mistake. Panels are the only app that makes the desktop constantly useful. Applets (ok plasmoids now) on panels when designed correctly places functionality, accessibility and information immediately available with a single click or quick glance regardless of what else is going on (except for full screen games :) ). People use browsers, word processors, games, email client, im clients etc. The first app that gets opened makes the desktop disappear. If the apps don't work what good is the desktop other than to look pretty but dumb. I do not need my desktop or apps to be a huge blonde moment (male or female take your pick). I need to get the things done. If kde developers want to jerk around they're bored and get things half finished and then say brand new here it is. This whole process has been one the least professional processes I have been through in computing in a very long time. (Fedora / KDE people notwithstanding in this tirade they as usual do a superb job) then ignore their user base, well then there will be defection. Which by the way I am seriously considering and trust me when I say this is painful for me since I have been a loyal and passionate kde user for years as Rex can attest. But enough is enough. If I wanted to install super karamba I would have installed super karamba. Now KDE has pushed it down my throat in the form of plasmoids the very least they could do is have the thing work the way it should. 4.3 is a personal milestone for me. After a tirade like this one, to be fair I will wait till 4.4 and leave without a whisper (I'm sure some are saying yea!!! :) ) . KDE either works the way it should or I will have to go elsewhere. Thanks for Listening :) Eli -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean.

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Eli Wapniarski wrote: anybody actually features that add of them Konqueror related, And none starters. Seems fine to me in 4.3b1. Seems slow to load, but once done, I don't see any performance issues. The toolbar has a little delay before seeing the hand cursor, but clicking still works as expected despite the cursor not changing. Something like this isn't going to please everybody in every situation. Personally, I find the issue in that background/font color are separate choices in CSS. They should be required together or not at all. This is almost always the kicker for me going back to Oxygen colors after using Obsidian Coast for a while. Firefox has just as bad a time with it as Konqueror in my experience. Cannot confirm in 4.3b1. Flash-related, nothing we in Fedora can do. Confirmed in 4.3b1 as well. By watching what happens in Firefox, it instead enforces the requested table size, loads the text then starts the scrolling. This causes text to be written on top of other text before the page is completely loaded. Konqueror uses the height of the marquee for the marquee, but for layout, there is no size specified. Personally, I think the site is relying on other browser bugs/quirks. Looking at the source and references, the height attribute isn't necessary (looking at wiki's list of attributes for it; hell, marquee isn't even standard), so Konqueror would just be playing puppet to other browsers. There is no standard dictating how those should be handled. Not something I get to test/use all that often (read: maybe once or twice in a few years), but I can see why it's important. panels across 2 monitors. And this bug. Serious enough for me to move KDE Brainstorm may be a place for this. Its mime types automatically link to I do not want to use gtk apps to have to manually reconfigure the gtk apps I would use a gtk based badly broken. I understand; Firefox is a Windows app ported to Linux making it play its own game (I touched on this in my latest rant in my blog). They look great and make the useless. It gets covered up as soon as the way you use your computer is to out there of a plasmoid. But being mistake. Panels are the only app that now) on panels when designed correctly immediately available with a single click or full screen games :) ). So don't place plasmoids on the desktop. My desktop is currently...just a wallpaper. I have too many windows open all the time to deal with moving them around. I have quite a few locked in position/size/desktop and the mask has no hole in it, so no position is always safe here. Ctrl-F12 is there to expose the plasmoids. I just tested and if you're dragging something, it isn't lost. clients etc. The first app that This was a major problem with the old desktop. It was almost always covered (at least here), so it was of limited use. apps to be a huge blonde moment (male kde developers want to jerk around new here it is. This whole process through in computing in a very long they as usual do a superb job) then Which by the way I am seriously kde user for years as Rex can attest. would have installed super karamb plasmoids the very least they could do is You don't need to have plasmoids everywhere. I don't. Current list of active plasmoids: Desktop: Panel: Task Manager System Tray Pager Device Notifier Weather Battery Monitor (laptop only) Digital Clock Nothing that the old panel didn't have that is clutter. Having thing replaceable is great. Now people can get Windows 7-like taskbars without it being forced down everyone's throats (stasks isn't for me). New ways of doing things don't need reworking low-level code. I don't see what isn't working with them (the dual monitor thing I can see, but I couldn't get it to work with Kicker back in KDE3 days either). one, to be fair I will wait till 4.4 :) ) . KDE either works the way it Everyone has their limits and you can't please everyone all the time. I don't use tts. Reading was fun. :O) - --Ben

On Sunday 31 May 2009 09:57:58 Ben Boeckel wrote: I've had this problem there practically forever. And it still persists for me The default CSS should contain default web black on white colors. Not the template used by the desktop manager. Best reason is that many email clients do not generate html headers at all. Its unlikely that they will anytime soon. Works very well in firefox. So no, it isn't just flash related, but how konqueror handles the scripts generated. Its already there. http://forum.kde.org/extend-panels-accross-multiple-screens-t-38969.html#... End result won't fix. Becuase its too hard. (Professionalism at work). The point here is that KDE has spent an awful lot of time hard wiring features into the desktop that are eye candy without any real functionality. And in and off itself adds bugs and I can't shut it off or remove it. Even if I don't use any extra plasmoids, the desktop itself is a plasmoid. And it doesn't work right either mind you the being able to drill down folders make it 3/4 done as opposed to 1/2 done. Correct. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean.

On Sunday 31 May 2009 06:48:20 Eli Wapniarski wrote: Not here - it's not the fastest site, but not slow enough to be a problem. This is a wish, not a bug. This refers to the same site as the first bug you mention. I see no problem here. It loads quickly enough, and moving to a sub-page was almost instantaneous. I don't use x86_64 so I can't comment, except to say that on my 686 everything works as expected. The first of the two panels you mention is currently reporting a problem, but the second panel is scrolling in a space approximately equal to the "Special Offer" panel. No problem here. Comment 10 states that KDE4 works differently and suggests a solution for you. So did you every try the solution suggested? If so, why was it not suitable? You did not file any report to that effect. Not here, it isn't. I can't understand what you are talking about. There is no need for any plasmoid to be any bigger than you choose. The ones I use take up a small proportion of my desktop, proportional, IMO, to the use I have for them. It is noticeable that the list of bugs you quote were all filed by you, and in most cases, in fact all but the last one, get little or no support from anyone else. Your comments here are rude. Developers have limited time and will always give their attention to the bug reports that seem to affect most people. I find your self-admitted tirade unreasonable. That is your choice. Anne -- New to KDE4? - get help from http://userbase.kde.org Just found a cool new feature? Add it to UserBase

Eli Wapniarski wrote: That's why most plasmoids can be placed on the panel. For those which don't, complain (file a bug), if they can't figure out a way to make the plasmoid directly useful on the panel, they need to make it a PopupApplet. Those just ought to be fixed not to fullscreen by default. Windowed mode FTW! Kevin Kofler

Eli Wapniarski wrote: HTML mail isn't even displayed by default (for security reasons) in KMail (you get the text representation if it exists, the source code otherwise, and you need to click to get the HTML). You need to get people to stop sending HTML mail. Kevin Kofler

On Sunday 31 May 2009 16:55:17 Anne Wilson wrote: In other words its too hard and we're lazy. Very professional. Eli -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean.

Eli Wapniarski wrote: Send them a link to http://expita.com/nomime.html and tell them you'll delete any further mail they send you in HTML format without reading it. Kevin Kofler

On Sunday 31 May 2009 20:20:18 Kevin Kofler wrote: Like my 70 something year old Uncle in California on AOL. I don't think so. Eli -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean.

Eli, In answer to your original question , there have been a bucket load of things fixed in 4.1b. Unfortunately they don't seem to be the things that are important for you. That isn't to say they aren't important. They are just not things that have been addressed by the limited developer resources that are currently available. The developers do their best to release quality code for their projects ( I think there are currently around 2-3 people in the konqueror team). KDE isn't like a corporate entity, most of the developers are either hacking in their spare time or paid by a company to work on specific elements of KDE . KDE as a community doesn't assign people to projects and they can't , KDE is a community centered around a desktop that we are collectively trying to make better. I think it's great that you have taken the time to file the bug reports .It's a great first step and I like that you are passionate about getting them fixed. It's only half the battle though. Actually fixing issues (ones that can / should be fixed ) is down to those who are willing and able to dive into the code. Currently those 2 - 3 people that are diving into the code are working very hard, as are the rest of the devs , translators, doc team etc.. Sometimes, you just need to have patience. If that means that you have to use KDE 3.5 for a while, or XFCE , or GNOME then thats fine. KDE is what it is and if it's not right for you at the moment it. I waited til 4.2.3 in order for it to be usable for me. It works for me on my laptop but on my desktop the Xorg drivers aren't quite there yet in order for me to use it. I can only suggest trying it out every few months to to see if it fits your needs better. Hopefully it will. Andrew

On Monday 15 June 2009 15:09:10 Eelko Berkenpies wrote: Unfortunately I will not have the time to review. However, I have just rebuilt the package of f11 x86_64. For an alpha version it certainly is promising, but there are still an awful lot of rough spots. The effort is very much appreciated Eli -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean.

On Tuesday 16 June 2009 12:18:50 Eelko Berkenpies wrote: Looking forward to seeing it. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean.