8:35 a.m.
Hello,
Please forgive my ignorant, but I've always wondered about this. What's the
primary difference between using Fedora KDE Spin v.s. the full distro ? I don't
mean to try it on live media, I want to install on hard drive. In the past, I
think I have just got the full DVD distro and pick KDE as desktop environment
and not install Gnome (or maybe both, and then just use KDE as the default
session). I also usually install a lot of non-KDE apps and Gnome apps.
So, why do I want the KDE spin instead ? Is there primary advantage ? (These
are genuine questions, not trying to be sarcastic :) ). Will I still get the
bulk of non-KDE app on the spin version ?
Thanks.
AC
8:44 a.m.
On 01/18/2011 08:35 AM, Armelius Cameron wrote:
Please forgive my ignorant, but I've always wondered about this.
What's the
primary difference between using Fedora KDE Spin v.s. the full distro ? I don't
mean to try it on live media, I want to install on hard drive. In the past, I
think I have just got the full DVD distro and pick KDE as desktop environment
First off, a clarification of terms, by "Full Distro" you mean using DVD
installer? If so,
Several differences and pros/cons to each. Off the top of my head:
kde spin:
(pro) is a live image, useful for quick-testing
(pro) fast, but simple, installer
(con) can't choose to add/remove components at install-time
DVD installer:
(pro) includes full gnome and kde desktops
(con) a much bigger download
(pro) installer has more features: more formatting options, can make
software selections
-- Rex
8:52 a.m.
On 01/18/2011 09:44 AM, Rex Dieter wrote:
On 01/18/2011 08:35 AM, Armelius Cameron wrote:
> Please forgive my ignorant, but I've always wondered about this. What's the
> primary difference between using Fedora KDE Spin v.s. the full distro ? I don't
> mean to try it on live media, I want to install on hard drive. In the past, I
> think I have just got the full DVD distro and pick KDE as desktop environment
First off, a clarification of terms, by "Full Distro" you mean using DVD
installer? If so,
Several differences and pros/cons to each. Off the top of my head:
kde spin:
(pro) is a live image, useful for quick-testing
(pro) fast, but simple, installer
(con) can't choose to add/remove components at install-time
DVD installer:
(pro) includes full gnome and kde desktops
(con) a much bigger download
(pro) installer has more features: more formatting options, can make
software selections
-- Rex
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True, one cannot choose to add or remove components at installation
time. (Maybe not.) But the current version of KPackageKit does allow a
user to choose to add/remove components of all types and categories at
any time following installation.
What concerns me more than that issue is that the KDE spin does not seem
to allow any alteration of the allocation of disk space between the
/boot partition and the rest of the disk. One is "stuck" with the
allocation of 0.5 GB for /boot and must hope that the execution of the
"preupgrade" program will not use up all the space available at upgrade
time.
Temlakos
9 a.m.
On 1/18/2011 3:52 PM, Temlakos wrote:
What concerns me more than that issue is that the KDE spin does not
seem
to allow any alteration of the allocation of disk space between the
/boot partition and the rest of the disk. One is "stuck" with the
allocation of 0.5 GB for /boot and must hope that the execution of the
"preupgrade" program will not use up all the space available at upgrade
time.
Can't confirm that - I've changed the partition layout in the
KDE spin's installer more than once. In fact, just last Satur-
day using the Fedora 14 KDE spin CD in my uncle's new PC.
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Best regards,
Eike Hein
8:58 a.m.
On Tuesday, January 18, 2011 09:44:55 am Rex Dieter wrote:
On 01/18/2011 08:35 AM, Armelius Cameron wrote:
> Please forgive my ignorant, but I've always wondered about this. What's
> the primary difference between using Fedora KDE Spin v.s. the full
> distro ? I don't mean to try it on live media, I want to install on hard
> drive. In the past, I think I have just got the full DVD distro and pick
> KDE as desktop environment
First off, a clarification of terms, by "Full Distro" you mean using DVD
installer? If so,
Yes, sorry for not being clear the first time.
Several differences and pros/cons to each. Off the top of my head:
kde spin:
(pro) is a live image, useful for quick-testing
(pro) fast, but simple, installer
(con) can't choose to add/remove components at install-time
DVD installer:
(pro) includes full gnome and kde desktops
(con) a much bigger download
(pro) installer has more features: more formatting options, can make
software selections
Thanks Rex. In my case I don't care about live image (need to fully install)
and download size is not a problem. So I guess I'll go with the DVD installer
since I'll need the flexibility of creating my own partitioning scheme, etc.
AC
9:18 a.m.
On 1/18/2011 3:58 PM, Armelius Cameron wrote:
Thanks Rex. In my case I don't care about live image (need to
fully install)
and download size is not a problem. So I guess I'll go with the DVD installer
since I'll need the flexibility of creating my own partitioning scheme, etc.
You can create your own partitioning scheme using the KDE spin
CD just fine, however you can only use ext3 or ext4 for the main
partition since the live CD installer works by way of copying a
premade filesystem image to the hard drive and then resizing the
FS as necessary.
--
Best regards,
Eike Hein
12:51 p.m.
On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 04:18:04PM +0100, Eike Hein wrote:
You can create your own partitioning scheme using the KDE spin
CD just fine, however you can only use ext3 or ext4 for the main
partition since the live CD installer works by way of copying a
premade filesystem image to the hard drive and then resizing the
FS as necessary.
does the live CD installer also support encrypted disks like the normal
installer?
Richard
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11:41 a.m.
To add to Rex's pro/con list:
Rex Dieter wrote:
kde spin:
[snip]
(con) can't choose to add/remove components at install-time
On the other hand, this means you also get the exact default package set we
tested, no missing pieces. And you can always add more stuff (packages we
couldn't ship for size reasons, specialized applications you need etc.) from
the repository after installation.
Kevin Kofler
3:53 a.m.
On 01/19/2011 01:35 AM, Armelius Cameron wrote:
Hello,
Please forgive my ignorant, but I've always wondered about this. What's the
primary difference between using Fedora KDE Spin v.s. the full distro ? I don't
mean to try it on live media, I want to install on hard drive. In the past, I
think I have just got the full DVD distro and pick KDE as desktop environment
and not install Gnome (or maybe both, and then just use KDE as the default
session). I also usually install a lot of non-KDE apps and Gnome apps.
So, why do I want the KDE spin instead ? Is there primary advantage ? (These
are genuine questions, not trying to be sarcastic :) ). Will I still get the
bulk of non-KDE app on the spin version ?
Hi Armelius,
I just went through this (at least I hope I'm not still in it!). I tried
the KDE Live CD. Worked beautifully, except that I got into a seemingly
endless loop of installing things. Maybe there's a way one can install
"the rest of the distribution" automatically. Then I installed the full
DVD, but got Gnome as a desktop and no KDE. I have managed to get most
of KDE installed, but KDE graphics seems to have a problem resolving
dependencies (newer library already installed), and so I'm not quite
there. I would have been happy to have installed the full distribution
with KDE, but couldn't find it.
Jim
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