On Sun, May 9, 2021 at 8:19 AM Patrick Boutilier <boutilpj(a)ednet.ns.ca> wrote:
On 5/9/21 9:08 AM, Patrick Boutilier wrote:
> On 5/6/21 4:06 PM, Tomáš Trnka wrote:
>> Hello everyone,
>>
>> After updating to F34, I was unpleasantly surprised by the new Plasma
>> update
>> notifier (plasma-discover-notifier). Even though the previous
>> plasma-pk-updates
>> thing had its quirks and Apper also wasn't the most featureful of package
>> managers, I still ran into a handful of issues with Discover that make it
>> pretty much useless for me:
>>
>> – There seems to be no way to select which updates to install. All I
>> can see
>> is a list of available updates with a button to install all of them,
>> but no
>> way to pick and choose a subset. (Yes, I could use commandline DNF with a
>> whole bunch of "-x" arguments to get the job done, but the point of a
>> GUI is
>> to make things more user friendly, isn't it?)
>> – I can't seem to find the description of individual package updates
>> (the short
>> changelog that plasma-pk-updates shows when you click a particular
>> package,
>> together with Bugzilla or Bodhi links). Again, getting these any other
>> way
>> than through the GUI updater is a real hassle.
>> – The tray notifier doesn't let me actually do anything directly, I
>> have to
>> wait for it to open a full Discover window and spend a long while
>> loading the
>> updates, which is much more disruptive than the few seconds needed to
>> trigger
>> updating through plasma-pk-updates.
>>
>
> Even worse is that every single update requires a reboot. I just took a
> fully updated system and then downgraded vlc. Updated with Discover and
> even though it only had to update vlc-core-3.0.13-1.fc34.x86_64 and
> vlc-3.0.13-1.fc34.x86_64 it still required a reboot.
>
Looks like this will be an option in 5.22 .
https://invent.kde.org/plasma/discover/-/merge_requests/111
Although I am not sure how doing an online vlc update will cause an
"unstable system". It wouldn't be so bad if there were not almost daily
updates available.
We don't have a heuristic for differentiating what a "safe update" and
an "unsafe update" would be. In the VLC case, it would be "safe" as
long as the phonon-vlc backend was not used for KDE Plasma (we don't
use it by default, but someone could swap it in from a third-party
build).
It can get fairly complicated, and it's always been a bad idea to
update the desktop software while it's running from within the
terminal of the said desktop, because you can lead to a scenario where
you've temporarily caused a broken state that would only be fixed by
rebooting anyway. For the majority of users, offline updates for
packages is the correct behavior.
That said, yes, Plasma 5.22 (coming in a month) will introduce a
user-accessible option to turn it off.
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