Dear all,
I have updated/upgraded the machine that was freezing all the time to Rawhide using Fedora Preview Iso + Updates.
There is only one gotcha. Grub is not working correctly?
When starting up machine. IT does nothing it stays at
GRUB
and stays there. I can successfully boot it using livecd's to boot the partition.
[students@localhost ~]$ cat /etc/fedora-release Fedora release 9 (Sulphur) [students@localhost ~]$ uname -a Linux localhost.localdomain 2.6.25-14.fc9.i686 #1 SMP Thu May 1 06:28:41 EDT 2008 i686 athlon i386 GNU/Linux [students@localhost ~]$
I have already run grub-install /dev/sda1 from Fedora 9 Preview DVD to make sure everything is ok. Is there anything that looks incorrect in grub.conf below.
BTW: Machine does not freeze anymore. Maybe it did not like Fedora 8.
Thanks in Advanced,
Antonio
Here's smolt profile if useful/needed
http://www.smolts.org/client/show/pub_d987b6b2-71ec-4cfd-82c8-e822f9a5ec5a (public)
Here's grub.conf and fdisk -l
[root@localhost ~]# yum update -y Loaded plugins: refresh-packagekit updates | 2.4 kB 00:00 fedora | 2.4 kB 00:00 adobe-linux-i386 | 951 B 00:00 Setting up Update Process No Packages marked for Update [root@localhost ~]# cat /boot/grub/grub.conf # grub.conf generated by anaconda # # Note that you do not have to rerun grub after making changes to this file # NOTICE: You have a /boot partition. This means that # all kernel and initrd paths are relative to /boot/, eg. # root (hd0,1) # kernel /vmlinuz-version ro root=/dev/VolGroup00/LogVol00 # initrd /initrd-version.img #boot=/dev/sda default=0 timeout=5 splashimage=(hd0,1)/grub/splash.xpm.gz hiddenmenu title Fedora (2.6.25-14.fc9.i686) root (hd0,1) kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.25-14.fc9.i686 ro root=UUID=d82c76e1-bbe7-4a0d-94e9-711b3aea50db rhgb quiet initrd /initrd-2.6.25-14.fc9.i686.img title Fedora (2.6.25-0.234.rc9.git1.fc9.i686) root (hd0,1) kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.25-0.234.rc9.git1.fc9.i686 ro root=UUID=d82c76e1-bbe7-4a0d-94e9-711b3aea50db rhgb quiet initrd /initrd-2.6.25-0.234.rc9.git1.fc9.i686.img title Microsoft Windows XP Pro rootnoverify (hd0,0) chainloader +1 [root@localhost ~]# fdisk -l
Disk /dev/sda: 320.0 GB, 320072933376 bytes 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 38913 cylinders Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes Disk identifier: 0xaf7caf7c
Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System /dev/sda1 * 1 26108 209712478+ 7 HPFS/NTFS /dev/sda2 31841 31865 200812+ 83 Linux /dev/sda3 31866 38913 56613060 8e Linux LVM /dev/sda4 26109 31840 46042290 5 Extended /dev/sda5 26109 26239 1052226 82 Linux swap / Solaris /dev/sda6 26240 31840 44990001 83 Linux
Partition table entries are not in disk order
Disk /dev/dm-0: 56.8 GB, 56841207808 bytes 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 6910 cylinders Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes Disk identifier: 0x00000000
Disk /dev/dm-0 doesn't contain a valid partition table
Disk /dev/dm-1: 1073 MB, 1073741824 bytes 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 130 cylinders Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes Disk identifier: 0x30307800
Disk /dev/dm-1 doesn't contain a valid partition table [root@localhost ~]#
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Antonio Olivares wrote:
Dear all,
I have updated/upgraded the machine that was freezing all the time to Rawhide using Fedora Preview Iso + Updates.
There is only one gotcha. Grub is not working correctly?
When starting up machine. IT does nothing it stays at
GRUB
and stays there. I can successfully boot it using livecd's to boot the partition.
that grub-install /dev/sda1 may not have worked. since that is your win xp partition.
here is what I did: boot from a CD that has rescue mode do the chroot to /mnt/sysimage run grub interactively at the grub> prompt grub> root (hd0,1) grub> setup /dev/sda grub>quit
that should put what grub needs in the MBR.
reboot
HTH Richard P.S. there are other emails about this in the archives.
[students@localhost ~]$ cat /etc/fedora-release Fedora release 9 (Sulphur) [students@localhost ~]$ uname -a Linux localhost.localdomain 2.6.25-14.fc9.i686 #1 SMP Thu May 1 06:28:41 EDT 2008 i686 athlon i386 GNU/Linux [students@localhost ~]$
I have already run grub-install /dev/sda1 from Fedora 9 Preview DVD to make sure everything is ok. Is there anything that looks incorrect in grub.conf below.
BTW: Machine does not freeze anymore. Maybe it did not like Fedora 8.
Thanks in Advanced,
Antonio
Here's smolt profile if useful/needed
http://www.smolts.org/client/show/pub_d987b6b2-71ec-4cfd-82c8-e822f9a5ec5a (public)
Here's grub.conf and fdisk -l
[root@localhost ~]# yum update -y Loaded plugins: refresh-packagekit updates | 2.4 kB 00:00 fedora | 2.4 kB 00:00 adobe-linux-i386 | 951 B 00:00 Setting up Update Process No Packages marked for Update [root@localhost ~]# cat /boot/grub/grub.conf # grub.conf generated by anaconda # # Note that you do not have to rerun grub after making changes to this file # NOTICE: You have a /boot partition. This means that # all kernel and initrd paths are relative to /boot/, eg. # root (hd0,1) # kernel /vmlinuz-version ro root=/dev/VolGroup00/LogVol00 # initrd /initrd-version.img #boot=/dev/sda default=0 timeout=5 splashimage=(hd0,1)/grub/splash.xpm.gz hiddenmenu title Fedora (2.6.25-14.fc9.i686) root (hd0,1) kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.25-14.fc9.i686 ro root=UUID=d82c76e1-bbe7-4a0d-94e9-711b3aea50db rhgb quiet initrd /initrd-2.6.25-14.fc9.i686.img title Fedora (2.6.25-0.234.rc9.git1.fc9.i686) root (hd0,1) kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.25-0.234.rc9.git1.fc9.i686 ro root=UUID=d82c76e1-bbe7-4a0d-94e9-711b3aea50db rhgb quiet initrd /initrd-2.6.25-0.234.rc9.git1.fc9.i686.img title Microsoft Windows XP Pro rootnoverify (hd0,0) chainloader +1 [root@localhost ~]# fdisk -l
Disk /dev/sda: 320.0 GB, 320072933376 bytes 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 38913 cylinders Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes Disk identifier: 0xaf7caf7c
Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System /dev/sda1 * 1 26108 209712478+ 7 HPFS/NTFS /dev/sda2 31841 31865 200812+ 83 Linux /dev/sda3 31866 38913 56613060 8e Linux LVM /dev/sda4 26109 31840 46042290 5 Extended /dev/sda5 26109 26239 1052226 82 Linux swap / Solaris /dev/sda6 26240 31840 44990001 83 Linux
Partition table entries are not in disk order
Disk /dev/dm-0: 56.8 GB, 56841207808 bytes 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 6910 cylinders Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes Disk identifier: 0x00000000
Disk /dev/dm-0 doesn't contain a valid partition table
Disk /dev/dm-1: 1073 MB, 1073741824 bytes 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 130 cylinders Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes Disk identifier: 0x30307800
Disk /dev/dm-1 doesn't contain a valid partition table [root@localhost ~]#
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--- Richard Hally rhally@mindspring.com wrote:
Antonio Olivares wrote:
Dear all,
I have updated/upgraded the machine that was
freezing all the time to Rawhide using Fedora Preview Iso + Updates.
There is only one gotcha. Grub is not working
correctly?
When starting up machine. IT does nothing it stays
at
GRUB
and stays there. I can successfully boot it using
livecd's to boot the partition.
I only see the line
GRUB
and that is all there is no grub prompt grub>
I used RipLinux-5.3 and booted from the fourth partition where Fedora resides. I was confused since the initial kernel(Fedora 8 Pre-Release) worked, and the entries
root=/dev/VolGroup00/LogVol00 vs root=UUID=d82c76e1-bbe7-4a0d-94e9-711b3aea50db
That changed and I do not comprehend what happened. I can still boot, but I wondered what happened.
I'll try your advise on Monday when I get back to the machine and hope that that will cure it.
Thanks for your advice,
Antonio
# kernel /vmlinuz-version ro
root=/dev/VolGroup00/LogVol00
# initrd /initrd-version.img #boot=/dev/sda default=0 timeout=5 splashimage=(hd0,1)/grub/splash.xpm.gz hiddenmenu title Fedora (2.6.25-14.fc9.i686) root (hd0,1) kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.25-14.fc9.i686 ro
root=UUID=d82c76e1-bbe7-4a0d-94e9-711b3aea50db rhgb quiet
initrd /initrd-2.6.25-14.fc9.i686.img
that grub-install /dev/sda1 may not have worked. since that is your win xp partition.
here is what I did: boot from a CD that has rescue mode do the chroot to /mnt/sysimage run grub interactively at the grub> prompt grub> root (hd0,1) grub> setup /dev/sda grub>quit
that should put what grub needs in the MBR.
reboot
HTH Richard P.S. there are other emails about this in the archives.
[students@localhost ~]$ cat /etc/fedora-release Fedora release 9 (Sulphur) [students@localhost ~]$ uname -a Linux localhost.localdomain 2.6.25-14.fc9.i686 #1
SMP Thu May 1 06:28:41 EDT 2008 i686 athlon i386 GNU/Linux
[students@localhost ~]$
I have already run grub-install /dev/sda1 from
Fedora 9 Preview DVD to make sure everything is ok. Is there anything that looks incorrect in grub.conf below.
BTW: Machine does not freeze anymore. Maybe it
did not like Fedora 8.
Thanks in Advanced,
Antonio
Here's smolt profile if useful/needed
http://www.smolts.org/client/show/pub_d987b6b2-71ec-4cfd-82c8-e822f9a5ec5a
(public)
Here's grub.conf and fdisk -l
[root@localhost ~]# yum update -y Loaded plugins: refresh-packagekit updates
| 2.4 kB 00:00
fedora
| 2.4 kB 00:00
adobe-linux-i386
| 951 B 00:00
Setting up Update Process No Packages marked for Update [root@localhost ~]# cat /boot/grub/grub.conf # grub.conf generated by anaconda # # Note that you do not have to rerun grub after
making changes to this file
# NOTICE: You have a /boot partition. This means
that
# all kernel and initrd paths are
relative to /boot/, eg.
# root (hd0,1) # kernel /vmlinuz-version ro
root=/dev/VolGroup00/LogVol00
# initrd /initrd-version.img #boot=/dev/sda default=0 timeout=5 splashimage=(hd0,1)/grub/splash.xpm.gz hiddenmenu title Fedora (2.6.25-14.fc9.i686) root (hd0,1) kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.25-14.fc9.i686 ro
root=UUID=d82c76e1-bbe7-4a0d-94e9-711b3aea50db rhgb quiet
initrd /initrd-2.6.25-14.fc9.i686.img
title Fedora (2.6.25-0.234.rc9.git1.fc9.i686) root (hd0,1) kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.25-0.234.rc9.git1.fc9.i686
ro root=UUID=d82c76e1-bbe7-4a0d-94e9-711b3aea50db rhgb quiet
initrd
/initrd-2.6.25-0.234.rc9.git1.fc9.i686.img
title Microsoft Windows XP Pro rootnoverify (hd0,0) chainloader +1 [root@localhost ~]# fdisk -l
Disk /dev/sda: 320.0 GB, 320072933376 bytes 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 38913 cylinders Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes Disk identifier: 0xaf7caf7c
Device Boot Start End Blocks
Id System
/dev/sda1 * 1 26108 209712478+
7 HPFS/NTFS
/dev/sda2 31841 31865 200812+
83 Linux
/dev/sda3 31866 38913 56613060
8e Linux LVM
/dev/sda4 26109 31840 46042290
5 Extended
/dev/sda5 26109 26239 1052226
82 Linux swap / Solaris
/dev/sda6 26240 31840 44990001
83 Linux
Partition table entries are not in disk order
Disk /dev/dm-0: 56.8 GB, 56841207808 bytes 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 6910 cylinders Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes Disk identifier: 0x00000000
Disk /dev/dm-0 doesn't contain a valid partition
table
Disk /dev/dm-1: 1073 MB, 1073741824 bytes 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 130 cylinders Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes Disk identifier: 0x30307800
Disk /dev/dm-1 doesn't contain a valid partition
table
[root@localhost ~]#
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Antonio Olivares wrote:
--- Richard Hally rhally@mindspring.com wrote:
Antonio Olivares wrote:
Dear all,
I have updated/upgraded the machine that was
freezing all the time to Rawhide using Fedora Preview Iso + Updates.
There is only one gotcha. Grub is not working
correctly?
When starting up machine. IT does nothing it stays
at
GRUB
and stays there. I can successfully boot it using
livecd's to boot the partition.
I only see the line
GRUB
and that is all there is no grub prompt grub>
I used RipLinux-5.3 and booted from the fourth partition where Fedora resides. I was confused since the initial kernel(Fedora 8 Pre-Release) worked, and the entries
root=/dev/VolGroup00/LogVol00 vs root=UUID=d82c76e1-bbe7-4a0d-94e9-711b3aea50db
That changed and I do not comprehend what happened. I can still boot, but I wondered what happened.
I'll try your advise on Monday when I get back to the machine and hope that that will cure it.
Thanks for your advice,
Antonio
# kernel /vmlinuz-version ro
root=/dev/VolGroup00/LogVol00
# initrd /initrd-version.img #boot=/dev/sda default=0 timeout=5 splashimage=(hd0,1)/grub/splash.xpm.gz hiddenmenu title Fedora (2.6.25-14.fc9.i686) root (hd0,1) kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.25-14.fc9.i686 ro
root=UUID=d82c76e1-bbe7-4a0d-94e9-711b3aea50db rhgb quiet
initrd /initrd-2.6.25-14.fc9.i686.img
that grub-install /dev/sda1 may not have worked. since that is your win xp partition.
here is what I did: boot from a CD that has rescue mode do the chroot to /mnt/sysimage run grub interactively at the grub> prompt grub> root (hd0,1) grub> setup /dev/sda grub>quit
that should put what grub needs in the MBR.
reboot
HTH Richard P.S. there are other emails about this in the archives.
[students@localhost ~]$ cat /etc/fedora-release Fedora release 9 (Sulphur) [students@localhost ~]$ uname -a Linux localhost.localdomain 2.6.25-14.fc9.i686 #1
SMP Thu May 1 06:28:41 EDT 2008 i686 athlon i386 GNU/Linux
[students@localhost ~]$
I have already run grub-install /dev/sda1 from
Fedora 9 Preview DVD to make sure everything is ok. Is there anything that looks incorrect in grub.conf below.
BTW: Machine does not freeze anymore. Maybe it
did not like Fedora 8.
Thanks in Advanced,
Antonio
Here's smolt profile if useful/needed
http://www.smolts.org/client/show/pub_d987b6b2-71ec-4cfd-82c8-e822f9a5ec5a
(public)
Here's grub.conf and fdisk -l
[root@localhost ~]# yum update -y Loaded plugins: refresh-packagekit updates
| 2.4 kB 00:00
fedora
| 2.4 kB 00:00
adobe-linux-i386
| 951 B 00:00
Setting up Update Process No Packages marked for Update [root@localhost ~]# cat /boot/grub/grub.conf # grub.conf generated by anaconda # # Note that you do not have to rerun grub after
making changes to this file
# NOTICE: You have a /boot partition. This means
that
# all kernel and initrd paths are
relative to /boot/, eg.
# root (hd0,1) # kernel /vmlinuz-version ro
root=/dev/VolGroup00/LogVol00
# initrd /initrd-version.img #boot=/dev/sda default=0 timeout=5 splashimage=(hd0,1)/grub/splash.xpm.gz hiddenmenu title Fedora (2.6.25-14.fc9.i686) root (hd0,1) kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.25-14.fc9.i686 ro
root=UUID=d82c76e1-bbe7-4a0d-94e9-711b3aea50db rhgb quiet
initrd /initrd-2.6.25-14.fc9.i686.img
title Fedora (2.6.25-0.234.rc9.git1.fc9.i686) root (hd0,1) kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.25-0.234.rc9.git1.fc9.i686
ro root=UUID=d82c76e1-bbe7-4a0d-94e9-711b3aea50db rhgb quiet
initrd
/initrd-2.6.25-0.234.rc9.git1.fc9.i686.img
title Microsoft Windows XP Pro rootnoverify (hd0,0) chainloader +1 [root@localhost ~]# fdisk -l
Disk /dev/sda: 320.0 GB, 320072933376 bytes 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 38913 cylinders Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes Disk identifier: 0xaf7caf7c
Device Boot Start End Blocks
Id System
/dev/sda1 * 1 26108 209712478+
7 HPFS/NTFS
/dev/sda2 31841 31865 200812+
83 Linux
/dev/sda3 31866 38913 56613060
8e Linux LVM
/dev/sda4 26109 31840 46042290
5 Extended
/dev/sda5 26109 26239 1052226
82 Linux swap / Solaris
/dev/sda6 26240 31840 44990001
83 Linux
Partition table entries are not in disk order
Disk /dev/dm-0: 56.8 GB, 56841207808 bytes 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 6910 cylinders Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes Disk identifier: 0x00000000
Disk /dev/dm-0 doesn't contain a valid partition
table
Disk /dev/dm-1: 1073 MB, 1073741824 bytes 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 130 cylinders Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes Disk identifier: 0x30307800
Disk /dev/dm-1 doesn't contain a valid partition
table
[root@localhost ~]#
Perhaps my explanation was not that clear.
I think you can do this from booting the liveCD. When you are up and running the live CD go to a terminal and su - to root then at the bash prompt type "grub" this will bring up grub in interactive mode(the grub> prompt.) then you can type the grub commands to reinstall grub to the MBR. according to your grub.conf your boot partition is on (hd0,1). that is why you give it the command "root (hd0,1)" so that it knows that the kernel and initrd are there. Then you give it the setup command to install the first part of grub into the MBR. "setup /dev/sda"
by giving it sda without the 1 or 2 or whatever it will install what it needs to the MBR and not to the first block of any partition.
I hope this is fixed for the GA release.
HTH Richard
--- Richard Hally rhally@mindspring.com wrote:
Antonio Olivares wrote:
Dear all,
I have updated/upgraded the machine that was
freezing all the time to Rawhide using Fedora Preview Iso + Updates.
There is only one gotcha. Grub is not working
correctly?
When starting up machine. IT does nothing it stays
at
GRUB
and stays there. I can successfully boot it using
livecd's to boot the partition.
that grub-install /dev/sda1 may not have worked. since that is your win xp partition.
here is what I did: boot from a CD that has rescue mode do the chroot to /mnt/sysimage run grub interactively at the grub> prompt grub> root (hd0,1) grub> setup /dev/sda grub>quit
I tried the above, but close to the end I got:
grub> setup /dev/sda
Error 11: Unrecognized device string
Grub is working now. I used # grub-install /dev/sda
and all is fine. Thank you for sharing your example, it was still very helpful.
Regards,
Antonio
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On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 05:38:25 -0700, Antonio Olivares olivares14031@yahoo.com wrote:
grub> setup /dev/sda
Error 11: Unrecognized device string
That setup command was wrong. It probably should have been: setup (hd0) If /dev/sda is the first drive as seen by the bios, then hd0 is the name that should have been used.
Bruno Wolff III wrote:
On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 05:38:25 -0700, Antonio Olivares olivares14031@yahoo.com wrote:
grub> setup /dev/sda
Error 11: Unrecognized device string
That setup command was wrong. It probably should have been: setup (hd0) If /dev/sda is the first drive as seen by the bios, then hd0 is the name that should have been used.
yup, my mistake, I was writing from memory, sorry. Richard
On Fri, May 09, 2008 at 07:07:55PM -0700, Antonio Olivares wrote:
I have updated/upgraded the machine that was freezing all the time to Rawhide using Fedora Preview Iso + Updates.
There is only one gotcha. Grub is not working correctly?
When starting up machine. IT does nothing it stays at
GRUB
AFAIK grub-0.97 will not load boot files from a partition with inode size bigger that 128. That was not an issue in the past but the current mke2fs, when a partition is "big enough" - I believe, will use by default 256 bytes inodes. This should make possible a future migration to ext4. I wonder if this is not the problem you are seeing?
I can successfully boot it using livecd's to boot the partition.
In that case you can check. Boot that way and run
tune2fs -l /dev/sda2 | grep 'Inode size'
to see if the above is really the case. This assumes that /dev/sda2 is really the partition in question but "root (hd0,1)" seems to support that.
If my guess is correct then you would have to redo a file system on /dev/sda2 with an explicit '-I 128' request to mke2fs before restoring a content of this partition and reinstalling grub once again. Mind you, such action will change UUID so if that file system doubles as / then your current grub.conf and /etc/fstab will become invalid and will have to be adjusted. The later file will likely need changes in any case.
If you can confirm that this is what really happened then there is a really serious "gotcha" in anaconda.
Michal
--- Michal Jaegermann michal@harddata.com wrote:
On Fri, May 09, 2008 at 07:07:55PM -0700, Antonio Olivares wrote:
I have updated/upgraded the machine that was
freezing all the time
to Rawhide using Fedora Preview Iso + Updates.
There is only one gotcha. Grub is not working
correctly?
When starting up machine. IT does nothing it stays
at
GRUB
AFAIK grub-0.97 will not load boot files from a partition with inode size bigger that 128. That was not an issue in the past but the current mke2fs, when a partition is "big enough" - I believe, will use by default 256 bytes inodes. This should make possible a future migration to ext4. I wonder if this is not the problem you are seeing?
I can successfully boot it using livecd's to boot
the partition.
In that case you can check. Boot that way and run
tune2fs -l /dev/sda2 | grep 'Inode size'
I tried the command above to see what was output and I got:
Inode size: 128
so it appears all is well. I did a # grub-install /dev/sda
and grub is working again :)
Regards,
Antonio
to see if the above is really the case. This assumes that /dev/sda2 is really the partition in question but "root (hd0,1)" seems to support that.
If my guess is correct then you would have to redo a file system on /dev/sda2 with an explicit '-I 128' request to mke2fs before restoring a content of this partition and reinstalling grub once again. Mind you, such action will change UUID so if that file system doubles as / then your current grub.conf and /etc/fstab will become invalid and will have to be adjusted. The later file will likely need changes in any case.
If you can confirm that this is what really happened then there is a really serious "gotcha" in anaconda.
Michal
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