As always, notes and IRC transcript available at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/Meetings/20100628 = Attendees = People present (lines said): * jlaska (113) * kparal (70) * adamw (64) * j_dulaney (38) * wwoods (35) * Oxf13 (9) * jskladan (7) * Viking-Ice (7) * skvidal (6) * zodbot (5) * hicham (5) * chenrano2002 (5) * ianweller (4) * jraber (2) Regrets: * liam * rhe = Agenda = * Proposed meeting agenda - http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test/2010-June/091736.html * MeetBot summary - http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2010-06-28/fedora-qa.2010... == Previous meeting follow-up == 1. adamw to forward wwoods a good explanation of the nss-softokn problem scenario to ensure autoqa catches it in future * See https://fedorahosted.org/pipermail/autoqa-devel/2010-June/000703.html 2. wwoods to evaluate nss-softokn dependency problem for proper 'depcheck' coverage * wwoods will review for next week 3. Viking-Ice will start 'how to debug systemd problems' guide and send to list for review * Inprogress, see https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Johannbg/QA/Systemd 4. robatino to ask infrastructure team to archive previous RCs/TCs * Filed, see http://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/2241 * Waiting for response, may need to raise topic on mailing list 5. jlaska to review F14 test day wiki content * Completed, see https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/Fedora_14_test_days * Draft test day ideas at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Talk:QA/Fedora_14_test_days 6. jlaska to create a ticket about possible enhancement/new test case for ABI stability check * Available for anyone to take ownership (see http://fedorahosted.org/autoqa/ticket/190) 7. jlaska to cleanup (or remove) the Critical Path Packages#Background section so that it provides _some_ value * No cleanup done yet, will complete for next meeting == F14 QA Recommendations == Owner - jlaska Summary * Jlaska organized [[Fedora_13_QA_Retrospective]] feedback into a list of [[Fedora_13_QA_Retrospective#Recommendations|QA recommendations for Fedora 14]]. * Jlaska filed tickets for improvements, see https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-qa/milestone/Fedora%2014 Next steps... * If you are looking for a way to get involved in Fedora QA ... grab a ticket at https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-qa/milestone/Fedora%2014 * Don't see something you'd like to work on ... file a ticket at https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-qa/newticket == Proventester Update == Owner - maxamillion, adamw Summary * Adam Miller announced that the proventesters wiki page (https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/JoinProvenTesters) is no longer a draft. * There are several TRAC requests to join the ''proventesters'' group -- http://bit.ly/c0s7kD * adamw and dafrito completed the proventester instructions -- https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Proven_tester Next steps * jdulaney to propose combining wiki pages * Waiting on feedback from lmacken on the status of https://fedorahosted.org/bodhi/ticket/424 and re-enabling ''proventester'' karma for critpath packages == AutoQA == === Automate Package Update Acceptance Test Plan === Owner - wwoods Summary * The immediate goal is to automate the [[QA:Package_Update_Acceptance_Test_Plan]] * The team met and discussed task priorities and agreed to prioritize tasks -- https://fedorahosted.org/pipermail/autoqa-devel/2010-June/000668.html Next steps... * Limit access to test systems qa01.c.fp.org through qa06.c.fp.org -- https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/2242 * Create a helloworld test for use with testing hook -- https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/195 * Standardization of hook argument names will be discussed soon * Complete depcheck test === Resultdb === Owner - jskladan Summary * https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/145 * Test instance up'n'running on one of our machines * Rewrote initscripts & rpmlint tests (see jskladan branch in autoqa git) so they store the result data inside. Next steps... * Finish updating other tests to store results in resultdb * Setup autotest-server instance to use these tests * Once results are posted into resultsdb ... start working on a front-end === Labels + Virt === Owner - kparal Summary * Implement *quick* virtualization support to allow for destructive tests -- https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/181 * Kparal created a ''labels'' git branch to track development (see https://fedorahosted.org/pipermail/autoqa-devel/2010-June/000742.html) Next steps... * Determine format of labels to use (see https://fedorahosted.org/pipermail/autoqa-devel/2010-June/000740.html) * Complete script to help manage virtual guests that will be used by the labels = Open discussion - <Your topic here> = == colleges to help testing == Owner - j_dulaney Summary * Proposal: get various small technical and community colleges to help with testing Next steps ... * dulaney will ask if the instructor's interested, and point to the QA/Join page for ideas - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/Join * Adamw offered QA help if there are any questions or interest == Knowledge base == Owner - jkeating Summary * Jkeating asked the group if a Fedora Knowledge Base would be useful to your efforts? * The team discussed the idea of a knowledge base, but there wasn't anything tangible to offer feedback on Next steps ... * Refine the idea/proposal = Upcoming QA events = * 2010-07-08 - Pre-Alpha Rawhide Acceptance Test Plan #1 * 2010-07-15 - Pre-Alpha Rawhide Acceptance Test Plan #2 * 2010-07-22 - Pre-Alpha Rawhide Acceptance Test Plan #3 * 2010-07-23 - Alpha Blocker Meeting (f14alpha) #1 * 2010-07-30 - Alpha Blocker Meeting (f14alpha) #2 = Action items = 1. jlaska to cleanup (or remove) the Critical Path Packages#Background section so that it provides _some_ value 2. j_dulaney to draft a combined proventesters / joinproventesters wiki page for list review 3. wwoods to evaluate nss-softokn dependency problem for proper 'depcheck' coverage