From: Alexandre Oliva[SMTP:aoliva@redhat.com]
On Nov 8, 2003, "Robert P. J. Day" rpjday@mindspring.com wrote:
huh? the above is contradictory. now that FC1 is out, which is the right place to talk about it? there seems to be little sense in being a member of both fedora and fedora-test, unless they have clearly different mandates with respect to FC1.
http://fedora.redhat.com/participate/communicate/ says:
# fedora-list - For users of Fedora Core releases # fedora-test-list - For testers of Fedora Core test releases
Where should _testers_ of Fedora Core releases then post ? :-) ( not test relases, just releases )
Regards, stein
I've done a bit of beta testing in my day (even OS/2), but I find it odd that we would all go through 3 test version of Fedora and then at the last minute, Rhythmbox, buggy as all hell, is suddenly slapped in as the default audio player in the final release. That seems a bit odd as it wasn't even in the install packages in test 3, just an rpm floating around the disks.
If Fedora Core 1 had at least been set up so that XMMS appead in the pop-up menus as an alternative, it wouldn't have been half as bad. Doesn't seem much of a final beta test if the actual public release is still different from that final beta. Seems to me that the final beta/test should pretty much be what the public release is going to be, minus the bug repairs.
How did this all come to pass. I can't find any reference to this in the list anywhere. Seems rather arbitrary to me, and sort of scares me as to the way things are going to go now that there is no big red daddy in charge of things. Hmmm..
rg
On Mon, 10 Nov 2003 18:08:54 +0900, rg wrote:
I've done a bit of beta testing in my day (even OS/2), but I find it odd that we would all go through 3 test version of Fedora and then at the last minute, Rhythmbox, buggy as all hell, is suddenly slapped in as the default audio player in the final release. That seems a bit odd as it wasn't even in the install packages in test 3, just an rpm floating around the disks.
If Fedora Core 1 had at least been set up so that XMMS appead in the pop-up menus as an alternative, it wouldn't have been half as bad.
KDE Menu > Sound & Video > Audio Player
It's there. Fresh install of Fedora Core 1. Actually, I haven't noticed the separate "Music Player" entry for Rhythmbox yet. ;)
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KDE Menu > Sound & Video > Audio Player
It's there. Fresh install of Fedora Core 1. Actually, I haven't noticed the separate "Music Player" entry for Rhythmbox yet. ;)
No, I didn't mean that. I know it is still in the regular menu as Audio Player, I mean that when you double click on an .ogg file (the icon for which is still not bluecurve), Rhythmbox is what will be playing it. If you right-click on that .ogg file, there is no mention of XMMS - you have to choose Open With => An Application and then add it to the menu there. It should't be that way unless is was that way in TEST 3, and it wasn't. Also, Rhythmbox is too buggy to be the default anything. Many of the methods that are supposed to work for creating playlists do not work (i.e., dragging album or artist names from the browser windows to the source window). Then there is adding genre information to the song properties - a long list of genre pop up, but you none of them stick once chosen. Can't add a genre of your onw either. And then there is the streaming problem. Mp3 support is not included and everyone is quite mum on how to get it - well, mum in terms of specifics - and as for .ogg streams, the ones I tried played at double speed, whereas they worked fine under XMMS - even minutes apart. definitely a Rhythmbox bug.
Rhythmbox has no business being the default. That was a sneaky last minute sneak in. It is that idea that upsets me. Why bother beta testing anything, if at the end somebody over somewhere just decides do to what he wants for the masses.
That is my beef.
rg
On Mon, 10 Nov 2003 20:45:23 +0900, rg wrote:
KDE Menu > Sound & Video > Audio Player
It's there. Fresh install of Fedora Core 1. Actually, I haven't noticed the separate "Music Player" entry for Rhythmbox yet. ;)
No, I didn't mean that. I know it is still in the regular menu as Audio Player, I mean that when you double click on an .ogg file (the icon for which is still not bluecurve), Rhythmbox is what will be playing it.
Ah, I see. In KDE, I think kaboodle is the default player for ogg/mp3 (and doesn't include mp3 support either). But I prefer launching an audio player via desktop/panel icons or the menu.
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rg (grant@tuins.ac.jp) said:
No, I didn't mean that. I know it is still in the regular menu as Audio Player, I mean that when you double click on an .ogg file (the icon for which is still not bluecurve), Rhythmbox is what will be playing it. If you right-click on that .ogg file, there is no mention of XMMS - you have to choose Open With => An Application and then add it to the menu there. It should't be that way unless is was that way in TEST 3, and it wasn't.
rhythmbox was added to the default install component. rhythmbox registers itself with the gnome MIME system; xmms doesn't. If xmms did, xmms would probably get used.
Bill
On Mon, 2003-11-10 at 02:13, David Balazic wrote:
Where should _testers_ of Fedora Core releases then post ? :-) ( not test relases, just releases )
Anything to do with Fedora Core releases (except the test/beta releases during test cycles) go to fedora-list. Just like if this was an official release from Red Hat Linux, you would discuss it on yarrow-list like before, cept now you just subscribe to fedora-list and discuss it there, no matter the release name.
https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
On Mon, 2003-11-10 at 03:13, David Balazic wrote:
# fedora-list - For users of Fedora Core releases # fedora-test-list - For testers of Fedora Core test releases
Where should _testers_ of Fedora Core releases then post ? :-) ( not test relases, just releases )
Post to fedora-list. If you're using a real release, you're a user. This list should quiet down until Fedora Core 2 test 1 is released some months from now.
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