After a successful install with livinst to USB with f14(rawhide) livecd-creator using fedora-livecd-soas-generic.ks (generic logos) CD -generic logos are needed to make the livecd-creator to make a bootable CD this is a separate bug: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=617115 (build was done 07/25/2010) 1-)First boot appears ONLY if there is no hard disk installed on the laptop where the USB boots. after filling in the user and password and going to gdm: It is impossible to log in. (one time I saw a message that first boot sent a time stamp of 0:00:00 on shutdown?) It did not reappear. 2-) If there IS another Hard Disk present with fedora installed on it; the USB boots to it after starting on the USB then resetting, and never shows first boot. It looks like the first boot application has a bug. Tom Gilliard satellit