On Thu, Sep 21, 2006 at 03:23:04PM -0400, Jesse Keating wrote: Ah, but there is no seamonkey in the distribution either. There is seamonkey-1.0.5-1.fc6 in extras but I do not think that it obosoletes, or provides, "mozilla" although I did not check that particular package. Michal

On Thu, Sep 21, 2006 at 06:40:28PM -0400, Jesse Keating wrote: It can, if you are aware of that piece of information that seamonkey is "a new mozilla", but this does not happen automatically as yum does not have suitable "obsoletes" to lean on. I do not think also that it provides an executable named 'mozilla' and various pieces of software may expect to find someting like that. Michal

On Thu, Sep 21, 2006 at 08:31:21PM -0400, Jesse Keating wrote: Jim already did this. I guess that I will attach there a spec file I used for FC5. It can serve at least as a starting point. Michal

On Thu, Sep 21, 2006 at 06:30:49PM -0400, Jim Cornette wrote: Following a model used in RHEL I did my own repackaging of seamonkey for FC5 to obsolete mozilla packages and to provide suitably high version of mozilla as well. Maybe something of that sort should be done for FC6 to avoid update problems? It is actually simpler in FC6 as there are no packages to recompile because they depend on mozilla (on some mozilla supplied libraries to be more precise). Should this be put in bugzilla? Michal

On Thu, Sep 21, 2006 at 07:12:32PM -0400, Jim Cornette wrote: You mean as "the real thing" or as "provides"? semonkey packages from RHEL provide a non-existent "mozilla = 37:1.8", just to make sure that updates will happen, and I followed exactly the same model when doing my own packages for FC5. Apparently "by neglect". :-) There in now no mozilla in FC6Test so supposedly there is no problem; only some trip on it. A distribution upgrade installs disregarding possible conflicts so this is not an issue. You may need to remove later some leftover packages. With this exception that there are security issues with mozilla and you cannot remove it from FC5, leaving only an updated firefox for a browser, without removing other packages as well - like 'yelp', for example. Michal

Michal Jaegermann wrote: I take it that the fake mozilla package will "upgrade" the existing stale mozilla from FC5. In order to "upgrade" the package, the stale mozilla will be removed. I hope I understand the concept the fake provides will accomplish. And from then on, mozilla will no longer be installed. I was wondering how having the outdated mozilla from FC5 will influence systems that did not yet install seamonkey. Would systems being upgrade pull in seamonkey by detecting this fake provides? It does not seem that this would happen. My logic is probably wrong in understanding the rationale behind the fake package. Regarding the development version of seamonkey, it does not obsolete mozilla. I temporarily enabled the fedora-extras repository and upgraded seamonkey. One package was upgraded, nothing removed (except the older version of seamonkey from FC5. Firefox seems to be one program that tripped. As with the Firefox install problem, I assume that all current packages in development do not depend upon mozilla any longer. It is probably safe to assume that mozilla will not erase a slew of packages like FC5 would. It is probably good enough to add this fact to the release notes. Something like: Mozilla is no longer provided within any Fedora depositories for FC6. If you do not use the suite, simply run yum remove "mozilla*" If you use the suite, run yum install seamonkey after runnig the above command to remove mozilla. Your mozilla profile will still be available and used by Seamonkey . Your bookmarks and mail settings will still be available. Since Mozilla is not maintained in FC5, at least eclipse, devhelp, yelp and company should be revised to not need Mozilla. Or the Mozilla suite should be updated to take care of the security issues. Jim -- When nothing can possibly go wrong, it will.

Jesse Keating wrote: There were no reports for Seamonkey to include the fake Mozilla. I filed the below report. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=207630 I guess the solution will follow. Thanks, Jim -- The rain it raineth on the just And also on the unjust fella, But chiefly on the just, because The unjust steals the just's umbrella. -- Lord Bowen