8:37 p.m.
I have some thoughts about how to translate this to folks but I'd rather
not color your perceptions. What I'm looking to do is provide a page for
potential QA volunteers to read after coming in through "join-fedora"
link on fedoraproject.org.
Daumas, I think I hit your concerns about expectations and have the
basic idea for documenting bodhi, koji, eieio...
Please feel free to critique this as you see fit.
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Leam
Thanks!
Leam
8:47 p.m.
Leam Hall wrote:
I have some thoughts about how to translate this to folks but I'd
rather
not color your perceptions. What I'm looking to do is provide a page for
potential QA volunteers to read after coming in through "join-fedora"
link on fedoraproject.org.
Daumas, I think I hit your concerns about expectations and have the
basic idea for documenting bodhi, koji, eieio...
Please feel free to critique this as you see fit.
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Leam
Would like to see a better explanation of what "stream liason" means.
Also if I am just testing and providing feedback from updates-testing
repo or just filing bug report against Fedora general releases, which of
the team would I fit in?
Rahul
5:45 a.m.
Rahul Sundaram wrote:
Would like to see a better explanation of what "stream
liason" means.
Also if I am just testing and providing feedback from updates-testing
repo or just filing bug report against Fedora general releases, which of
the team would I fit in?
Rahul
Rahul, thanks! I'm working up an example that might help show what the
stream liason might have on their task-list.
As for the other, I'm not sure. Anyone else see which team, or do the
teams need to be shuffled and added to/subtracted from?
Leam
11:32 a.m.
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: re-doing the QA part of "join-fedora"
From: Leam Hall <leam(a)reuel.net>
To: fedora-test-list(a)redhat.com
Date: 02/04/2009 08:37 PM
Daumas, I think I hit your concerns about expectations and have the
basic idea for documenting bodhi, koji, eieio...
Do we really need a Stream Liaison in the QA team? Should that role be
in another Fedora group?
What about people that wish to download packages from updates-testing
and make sure they don't destroy the system (ex: dbus updates)? I would
like to fill such a role.
The other roles look fine to me, but I'm just a newb.
6:29 p.m.
Michael Cronenworth wrote:
> Daumas, I think I hit your concerns about expectations and have
the
> basic idea for documenting bodhi, koji, eieio...
>
Do we really need a Stream Liaison in the QA team? Should that role be
in another Fedora group?
What about people that wish to download packages from updates-testing
and make sure they don't destroy the system (ex: dbus updates)? I would
like to fill such a role.
The other roles look fine to me, but I'm just a newb.
Stream Liason is a reality check. My real goal would be an openness in
QA that lets us assimilate feedback from the user community and NOT
require QA to test every bloody thing under the sun before the GA date
is hit.
For example, if we have some finite community who really really really
likes TWM on PPC as their window manager then they can really really
really help by making sure THEY test it. Someone from that community
could interact with QA if TWM on PPC broke and that person/group could
act as Stream Liason. They would get the quickest updates, and would
work into the system and be able to articulate their community needs and
Fedora's progress bi-directionally.
QA members could volunteer to be a Stream Liason for whatever sub-groups
they really liked spending time with. The SL is mostly a communications
point between QA and the specific user community. For starters, it would
probably be better to have a finite scope on what a "Stream" is. Unless
you already have a gung-ho team like "KDE" that does much of the same idea.
Does that make more sense? If not, feel to say so. ;)
On the general tester role, as Rahul also mentioned, you are both right.
I just blanked out on that one. Just added "Release Tester", does that
convey the right information?
Leam
7:04 p.m.
Leam Hall wrote:
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snip.. snip and even more snips.. snip snip snip..
</snip>
Hey we testers got a cool name to "Bug Hunters" more than meets the eye,,
Any one got an great idea for a T-shirts
Penguin with a minigun and a cigar
Penguin with a flamethrower and cigar
Penguin with a big hammer
Penguin with a Indiana Jones hat and a whip
The ultimate ninja penguin..
Ideas for a theme song ( all great teams have a theme song )
JBG
7:27 p.m.
Bug Zappers: Mage throwing a lightning bolt/fireball
"Man of Miracles"
Triagers: Medic/Red Cross(Crescent),
"Suicide is painless", theme from M*A*S*H
Rawhide: Penguin riding a bull
"Momma don't let your babies grow up to be cowboys"
Tools: Penguin with a tool chest
"Working in a coal mine"
Install: Baby
"Two out of three ain't bad"
Leam
Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote:
Leam Hall wrote:
<snip>
snip.. snip and even more snips.. snip snip snip..
</snip>
Hey we testers got a cool name to "Bug Hunters" more than meets the eye,,
Any one got an great idea for a T-shirts
Penguin with a minigun and a cigar
Penguin with a flamethrower and cigar
Penguin with a big hammer
Penguin with a Indiana Jones hat and a whip
The ultimate ninja penguin..
Ideas for a theme song ( all great teams have a theme song )
JBG
7:53 p.m.
Leam Hall wrote:
Rawhide: Penguin riding a bull
"Momma don't let your babies grow up to be cowboys"
I'd suggest Tux dressed like Evel Knievel. Theme: Chumbawumba's
"Tubthumping". You know, "I get knocked down but I get up again..."
Tools: Penguin with a tool chest
"Working in a coal mine"
Perhaps "16 Tons (and what do you get)" would be better?
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9:34 a.m.
On Fri, 2009-02-06 at 01:04 +0000, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
Leam Hall wrote:
<snip>
snip.. snip and even more snips.. snip snip snip..
</snip>
Hey we testers got a cool name to "Bug Hunters" more than meets the eye,,
Any one got an great idea for a T-shirts
Penguin with a minigun and a cigar
Penguin with a flamethrower and cigar
Penguin with a big hammer
Penguin with a Indiana Jones hat and a whip
The ultimate ninja penguin..
Ideas for a theme song ( all great teams have a theme song )
Man, everyone has t-shirts. We should have proper shirts. We'd be a
group AND we'd show how much more class we have than all those dumb
geeks in their cafe press t-shirts. :)
Seriously, though, this kinda stuff is definitely cool, especially if
we're going to try and meet up at conventions and so on at any point. I
can't draw, though. Anyone? Should we ask the art group?
--
adamw
10:03 a.m.
On 2009/02/06 10:34 (GMT-0500) Adam Williamson composed:
On Fri, 2009-02-06 at 01:04 +0000, "Jóhann B.
Guðmundsson" wrote:
> Leam Hall wrote:
> Hey we testers got a cool name to "Bug Hunters" more
than meets the eye,,
> Any one got an great idea for a T-shirts
> Penguin with a minigun and a cigar
> Penguin with a flamethrower and cigar
> Penguin with a big hammer
> Penguin with a Indiana Jones hat and a whip
> The ultimate ninja penguin..
> Ideas for a theme song ( all great teams have a theme song )
Man, everyone has t-shirts. We should have proper shirts. We'd be
a
group AND we'd show how much more class we have than all those dumb
geeks in their cafe press t-shirts. :)
Seriously, though, this kinda stuff is definitely cool, especially
if
we're going to try and meet up at conventions and so on at any point. I
can't draw, though. Anyone? Should we ask the art group?
My newest shirt:
[black crew T]
(back)
[white image of jigsaw corner piece]
iContribute (large white letters)
openSUSE 11.1 (small green letters)
(front)
[green Gecko]
open(green letters)SUSE™(white letters)
--
"Do not let any unwholesome talk come out of your
mouths, but only what is helpful for building
others up." Ephesians 4:29 NIV
Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409
Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/
11:56 a.m.
On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 6:29 PM, Leam Hall <leam(a)reuel.net> wrote:
Michael Cronenworth wrote:
>>
>> Daumas, I think I hit your concerns about expectations and have the basic
>> idea for documenting bodhi, koji, eieio...
>>
>
> Do we really need a Stream Liaison in the QA team? Should that role be in
> another Fedora group?
>
> What about people that wish to download packages from updates-testing and
> make sure they don't destroy the system (ex: dbus updates)? I would like to
> fill such a role.
>
> The other roles look fine to me, but I'm just a newb.
>
Stream Liason is a reality check. My real goal would be an openness in QA
that lets us assimilate feedback from the user community and NOT require QA
to test every bloody thing under the sun before the GA date is hit.
For example, if we have some finite community who really really really likes
TWM on PPC as their window manager then they can really really really help
by making sure THEY test it. Someone from that community could interact with
QA if TWM on PPC broke and that person/group could act as Stream Liason.
They would get the quickest updates, and would work into the system and be
able to articulate their community needs and Fedora's progress
bi-directionally.
As another example, the (hypothetical) Stream Liason for X.org would,
upon learning of the pending change to the very useful, non-harmful
de-facto standard Ctrl-Alt-Backspace feature, communicate to upstream
a strongly worded statement against it.
Depending on the result, as representative of Fedora that he/she is,
the SL can then either thank upstream for reversing the change and
commend them for such understanding, or he/she can begin organizing
the vigilante mob and plan the public lynching. Ahem, again speaking
hypothetically, of course...
jerry
4:44 a.m.
On Friday 06 February 2009 17:56:52 Jerry Amundson wrote:
As another example, the (hypothetical) Stream Liason for X.org
would,
upon learning of the pending change to the very useful, non-harmful
de-facto standard Ctrl-Alt-Backspace feature, communicate to upstream
a strongly worded statement against it.
Depending on the result, as representative of Fedora that he/she is,
the SL can then either thank upstream for reversing the change and
commend them for such understanding, or he/she can begin organizing
the vigilante mob and plan the public lynching. Ahem, again speaking
hypothetically, of course...
+1.
This is the funniest suggestion all week ...
Of course, the "bidirectional" part would mean, when we make changes to the
default setting downstream, we get vigilantes coming after *us* ;o)
jerry
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