2:32 p.m.
Hello All,
I know that this is a wrong list to post this question, I am sorry for this. I have been
trying this a few times to post this to fedora-list, but they never went through.
I want to remove all the packages which are not required for a server. So I tried to
remove the packages intended for client, like wireless-tools and wpa_supplicant. When I
did that to wireless-tools package it was said that I have to remove also all packages for
dependencies, like the following:
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Package Arch Version Repository Size
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Removing:
wireless-tools i386 1:28-0.pre13.5.1 installed 231 k
Removing for dependencies:
NetworkManager i386 0.6.0-2 installed 1.1 M
authconfig i386 5.2.2-1 installed 1.2 M
authconfig-gtk i386 5.2.2-1 installed 158 k
rhpl i386 0.185-1 installed 910 k
system-config-date noarch 1.8.2-1 installed 2.2 M
system-config-keyboard noarch 1.2.7-1.1 installed 168 k
system-config-keyboard noarch 1.2.6-2 installed 134 k
system-config-language noarch 1.1.11-1 installed 137 k
system-config-lvm noarch 1.0.13-1.0 installed 2.4 M
system-config-mouse noarch 1.2.11-1 installed 200 k
system-config-network noarch 1.3.30-2.1 installed 2.1 M
system-config-network-tui noarch 1.3.30-2.1 installed 3.8 M
system-config-rootpassword noarch 1.1.7-2 installed 86 k
system-config-rootpassword noarch 1.1.8-1.1 installed 105 k
system-config-soundcard noarch 1.2.16-2 installed 1.4 M
system-config-users noarch 1.2.42-1 installed 1.1 M
up2date i386 4.4.23-4.2.1 installed 6.1 M
Transaction Summary
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I don't know whether I need those packages or not for a server.
How to remove only specific packages without removing all the dependencies using yum? Is
that a good idea?
Where can I find detail information about the packages for Fedora, especially why one
package dependents on the others?
Cheers,
Anto
3:54 a.m.
Aryanto Rachmad wrote:
I want to remove all the packages which are not required for a
server. So I tried to remove the packages intended for client, like
wireless-tools and wpa_supplicant. When I did that to wireless-tools
package it was said that I have to remove also all packages for
dependencies, like the following:
Removing:
wireless-tools i386 1:28-0.pre13.5.1 installed 231 k
Removing for dependencies:
NetworkManager i386 0.6.0-2 installed 1.1 M
authconfig i386 5.2.2-1 installed 1.2 M
authconfig-gtk i386 5.2.2-1 installed 158 k
...
I don't know whether I need those packages or not for a server.
Some would be nice to configure the server ;)
You could perform configuration using the system-config-? tools,
then remove them :) Or learn enough do the config in the /etc text
files manually.
How to remove only specific packages without removing all the
dependencies using yum?
rpm -e wireless-tools
you see the same y needed by (installed) x messages. Even rpm doesn't
let you do it. This is because (certain often very specific) functions
of an application will fail. rpm (and yum that uses it, and pirut/pup
that uses yum) is there to help you not have a broken system.
Is that a good idea?
eg unsupportable (for a free distribution
- expect even less than no
support).
Where can I find detail information about the packages for Fedora,
especially why one package dependents on the others?
In the packages themselves,
and with a little terminal window rpm usage:
$ rpm -q --info wireless-tools
$ rpm -q --provides wireless-tools
$ rpm -e wireless-tools
needs NetMan...
$ rpm -q --requires NetworkManager
$ rpm -e --requires NetworkManager
etc. This soon gets really boring.
The real why is that the package requiring the other package may only
need that functionality in certain circumstances eg: only if you have a
wireless chipset, but at this stage of rpm development there is no way
for package designers to instruct rpm that a requires is optional, ie
needed only in certain cases. I understand that some other package
managers have solutions to this problem. This would also be useful at
saving space for installation of language support files for languages
you haven't installed.
That said, NetworkManager is used these days to help bring network
interfaces back after a suspend. On a server this is probably not an
issue. If the server isn't a print server, the cups/printer stuff
shouldn't be needed, along within anything mentioning or having a gui.
You might like to yum remove evolution.
The other way to do a server is to unselect everything at install, this
leaves/install just the minimal required to boot the machine. So minimal
that during one test I didn't get yum nor rpm, making it extremely
difficult to add the server packages I wanted. So make sure you choose
yum !!
DaveT.
11:27 a.m.
On 3/18/06, David Timms <dtimms(a)bigpond.net.au> wrote:
> Where can I find detail information about the packages for
Fedora,
> especially why one package dependents on the others?
In the packages themselves, and with a little terminal window rpm usage:
$ rpm -q --info wireless-tools
$ rpm -q --provides wireless-tools
$ rpm -e wireless-tools
needs NetMan...
$ rpm -q --requires NetworkManager
$ rpm -e --requires NetworkManager
etc. This soon gets really boring.
Taking a moment and looking at the specific case of wireless-tools,
the dependancy chain culprit which causes the cascade appears to be
the libiw library
libiw.so.28 is needed by rhpl
and pretty much all the fedora specific tools need the rhpl package
What is the rhpl package? its pretty much a catchall for a number of
python code snippets that have been developed by redhat engineers.
Its essentially a toolbox of useful python code. And I think there's
room to discuss re-working how that toolbox is packaged to be able to
make the dependance chains more flexible for people who are looking to
customize their install by removing things they don't really need.
In this case it appears that the only thing in rhpl which links
against libiw is actually
the file ethtool.so, unless i missed something else. Perhaps its
worth discussing the impact of attempting to turn rhpl into multiple
packages instead of a single lump.
-jef
5:03 p.m.
On 18.03.2006 10:54, David Timms wrote:
> How to remove only specific packages without removing all the
> dependencies using yum?
rpm -e wireless-tools
you see the same y needed by (installed) x messages.
test before removing is no bad idea
# rpm -e --test <package>
Even rpm doesn't let you do it.
oops,
# rpm -e --nodeps <package1> <package2>
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shrek-m
9:22 a.m.
Aryanto Rachmad wrote:
=============================================================================
Package Arch Version Repository Size
=============================================================================
Removing:
wireless-tools i386 1:28-0.pre13.5.1 installed 231 k
Removing for dependencies:
NetworkManager i386 0.6.0-2 installed 1.1 M
authconfig i386 5.2.2-1 installed 1.2 M
authconfig-gtk i386 5.2.2-1 installed 158 k
rhpl i386 0.185-1 installed 910 k
system-config-date noarch 1.8.2-1 installed 2.2 M
system-config-keyboard noarch 1.2.7-1.1 installed 168 k
system-config-keyboard noarch 1.2.6-2 installed 134 k
system-config-language noarch 1.1.11-1 installed 137 k
system-config-lvm noarch 1.0.13-1.0 installed 2.4 M
system-config-mouse noarch 1.2.11-1 installed 200 k
system-config-network noarch 1.3.30-2.1 installed 2.1 M
system-config-network-tui noarch 1.3.30-2.1 installed 3.8 M
system-config-rootpassword noarch 1.1.7-2 installed 86 k
system-config-rootpassword noarch 1.1.8-1.1 installed 105 k
system-config-soundcard noarch 1.2.16-2 installed 1.4 M
system-config-users noarch 1.2.42-1 installed 1.1 M
up2date i386 4.4.23-4.2.1 installed 6.1 M
Transaction Summary
=============================================================================
I don't know whether I need those packages or not for a server.
Neither do we.
We don't know what you want to serve, or to whom. I can imagine a server
requiring stuff you're trying to remove. I can also imagine a server
requiring almost none of the packages above (depending on the skills of
the administrator).
How to remove only specific packages without removing all the dependencies using yum? Is
that a good idea?
Not really.
Where can I find detail information about the packages for Fedora, especially why one
package dependents on the others?
It's probably not documented anywhere
useful:-)
If you want a server with an absolute minimum of extraneous software,
better look at Gentoo or maybe Debian or Ubuntu.
Gentoo, though, will require more skills of the administrator than you
seem to have, and probably the others do too.
4:27 p.m.
Thanks a lot for those who replied my email. I know where to start now.
I am sorry that I didn't clearly describe what I really want to achieve.
As you noticed, I am quite new on Linux especially Fedora. I started just
because I wanted to have an Asterisk PBX at home. For some reasons I chose
Fedora as the server OS. So basically I just want to have a very limited
Fedora packages for that.
I don't need fancy graphical interface or anything like that. I prefer to
use command lines or text mode in configuring it as I think I will
understand better about how things work. As long as I can read and
understand the manual, it is very easy to do that, isn't it? But the
problem is in Linux world things change very quick and documentation
usually comes very late. I perfectly understand this as at work I am very
lazy when it comes to writing documentation. I won't do that unless my boss
forces me to do so.
I started with FC4 ISO installation. I chose server installation type as I
was not sure if the minimal custom installation would give me the right
packages for my purpose. There were some unnecessary packages, but I kept
them. Then I upgraded to FC5t1, FC5t2 and FC5t3. I regularly do "yum
update" at least once a week. I noticed that the number of packages grows a
lot (87 new packages). So now before I upgrade to the final release of FC5,
I want to clean up those unnecessary packages.
The hardware of my server is IBM xSeries 330 with dual Pentium III, dual
hotplugable SCSI hardisk and 4GB memory which I bought piece by piece on
Ebay. I hope this will last for some years until I consider that obsolete.
Cheers,
Anto
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