On Fri, 2010-04-23 at 16:03 -0400, Nicholas Ozorak wrote: The licensing is pretty good and useful for people to work, though about logo's they have their own guidelines and from my point of view while we should neglect some stuff, we should enforce time to time some corrections on stuff that can be harmful to the brand itself. Indeed, but the main question is actually how should we provide such? Should we contact authors who make freelance work and ask them if we can distribute their work also? I mean, some of those videos are pretty awesome, we could probably establish a protocol with people (or some other non-formal way) to encourage their work, maybe before we make big news public with our press releases, make the info available to known media partners so they have something to work for? On a different perspective, I've represented Logitech in the past (2002/2003). Logitech provides their partners (mainly their resellers, their premier distribution channel for "Logitech", ignoring the great core business in OEM) with very competitve advantages. Maybe we should get to know some potential distribution channels for information and think over on something that would allow them also to present good information and giving them some time to work it out? Well, as I see it... Most people don't actually separate the contents/support from the channel of distribution. I mean... some of this things are really weird (at a personal level, absurd would be a better description). I am fond of using Youtube aswell, why? Because most people use it. So... I'm cutting my digital TV service and go back to RF technology because it deploys contents in über proprietary technology? bah... sure... right... As long as the content licenses are in our favor, I dont see why care much about the platform for distribution. Lets imagine this... I'm sponsoring 5K t-shirts with the Fedora Foundation to ambassadors... I probably won't find no one to print them out using OSS technology :( So, no t-shirts. Same here, and sometimes it's really frustrating. I understand the values, but I have to say that despite I don't like Ubuntu (and my main reason should be clear to everyone, and its personal view... African Words? Sure they contributed a lot to the Digital Era! _NOT_!), but as product, I do support them to break some barriers that other community seem to make a crusade of it. The bigger is the market penetration of a product, the better. Sure we all earn from Canonical's ambitious moves (August will be astonishing for what I've heard), but so far, they are leading the way for all FOSS people. We will fail on "First" for sure against Canonical from that perspective. Same here. I do recon it might be hard to work with very extensive materials, as some are for sure hard to forecast, but we should focus a bit more. I'm going to give a quick example, and please dont attack me! It's a valid reason... why are we working on stuff that is deeply related to products that are in the end of the life time cycle? Waste of time, NO... but we would earn more if we were working in future stuff. I don't know exactly how to put up such a thing... but if anyone has ideas, I'm listening and willing to help. -- Nelson Marques Evil Clown (http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/warriorshtm/evilclown.htm)

On Tue, 2010-04-27 at 11:44 -0400, Nicholas Ozorak wrote: Though I do agree with this, usually such things will take creatives and designers to shield behind "freedom" and see this as some kind of *malefic* stuff that is planned to reduce their creativity. This is one of the things that cracked my head a couple of times, as we work mainly with free contributors. While in a corporation, administration mandates are unquestionable and people do follow, on communities such as our own, that's a very sensible area. I could've saved myself some embarrassments in the past, though I believe I was correct and was acting in the best interest of Fedora. I will give a quick example off-topic: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Name_suggestions_for_Fedora_14 That's a list of contributions for Fedora 14 naming. One of them is "Emancipation". Though I'm a strong supporter of emancipation, if such naming is approved, countries in the Middle East will not be seeing this with good eyes (supposing they are free of exporting blockades and such). While it's armeless in the Western World, it is not a good choice for other people. Sometimes pointing stuff like this gets me dubbed as a negative person trying to bring a negative load into the team. This is a very sensible area and though I would like to see Fedora and other FOSS communities promoting such values, it might bring a harmful load towards us. Generally, yes, I will backup some restrictive guidelines, but on the other hand, I do also want to backup creatives and contributors. I don't know what other people think, but we sometimes get into weird stuff. I think that the effort being done in the Feature Profiles might be a good thing to backup this in a nearby future, as we can establishing easily an evolution line related to the "commercial" product, and though its free (no monetary involved), it's still commercial as we are selling an experience. Media should back us up and we should provide them the necessary knowledge. I've seen too much corrections around Fedora 13 already and mistakes being made by the media. We are maybe failing in being more objective and providing them good material for their work. Though our Wiki has tons of information, it might not be correctly segmented for media research. I do hope Fedora Insight will provide a method to cover (at least minimize) this gap. But it's a +1, we need to provide more objective and accurate material for the media. We rush once more into the H.264 problem and hostility towards licences. Maybe contact him as ask him to be a partner of Fedora in Fedora Insight? I am not sure on what the other people on the list have to say, but that would be probably be something that wouldn't harm us. I do love this idea of providing them information, or even ask them to join us here so they can get some materials and information and even follow our work. There is much they could use to develop their own work. I would love to ear Fedora's Project Leader's words about this. I subscribe Nick on this. Nelson -- Nelson Marques Evil Clown (http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/warriorshtm/evilclown.htm)