From: "Matthew Miller" <mattdm(a)fedoraproject.org&gt; To: "Fedora + Community + Operations = Fedora CommOps" <commops(a)lists.fedoraproject.org&gt; Cc: "Fedora Marketing team" <marketing(a)lists.fedoraproject.org&gt; Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2015 12:33:11 PM Subject: Re: [commops] working on f23 final release announcement On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 05:22:47PM -0400, Remy DeCausemaker wrote: > I'm new here, so bear with me, but Fedora has been really been making > the "Friends" foundation a focus of the latest release, by improving > our infrastructure and community. I realize this is not necessarily > the distro itself, but there are a few activities that come to mind: > > - We deployed Bodhi2 (5 years in the making, huge performance increases, > fine-grained karma, and more...) > - D&I - Advisor search ongoing, and we've approved funding to hire two > Outreachy interns, helping with Hubs/dev portal & Community Operations > (CommOps) > - Fedora Hubs has already had a successful intern (mrichards) pave the way > for future interns and contributors. > - Fedora-bootstrap is our latest project wide CSS and website theme, > providing cohesion to our web properties. > - Fedmenu is a glimpse into the widgetized future that comes with > embeddable widgets via Fedora Hubs > - http://whatcanidoforfedora.org is like the Fedora Sorting Hat :) > - Fedora Magazine has hit milestone readership and publications (actual > numbers TBD) > - Others that I am not thinking of at the moment > > I know this list above includes things that we have shipped along > with things we have not yet shipped, but we've made mentionable > progress on a number of fronts. I dunno if these 'Community' > improvements are part of a release announcement or not, but they are > def worth mentioning somewhere (particularly the strides that have > been made in front-end, and in Rel-eng.) Nice angle — I really like this. I had suggested (or, maybe I glommed onto someone else's suggestion beacause I like the idea — I forget — anyway, it was suggested) that Fedora development might benefit from a "tick-tock" cycle, with one release focusing on process improvements, and the next release focusing on OS features. People weren't, overall, comfortable with putting Fedora into that model, I think mostly because feature changes sometimes come faster than that, but also irregularly. In any case, though I think this is clearly a "tick" release, with more process and infrastructure improvements than big change within the actual distribution. On a similar note, at FUDCon Lawrence a few years ago, Tim Burke suggested a "red/yellow/green" model for labeling how much scary change a release contains. (As an alternative to having major/minor releases.) I'm not a big fan of that, because I think we're mostly at the point where even our scary releases are actually very solid and are "green" in the absolute sense. But from that point of view, this is a "green" release too. With our current marketing / press model, which relies on splashy changes to generate talking points, this ironically means the releases we'd like _most_ to get into the hands of users get less attention. So anyway, that's a long way of saying that, yeah, I like the general idea. I'm not sure a list of technical infrastructure improvements will play any better with the press than a list of software version bumps, though. Open to ideas. :)

> Is there a standard template for asking the WG's and Subprojects for > their bulletpoints? Do we even need to do that, or do we just take > the beta notes, and then fancy them up a bit at this point? Beta notes make a good starting point, but I'd say fancy them up _a lot_. :) -- Matthew Miller <mattdm(a)fedoraproject.org&gt; Fedora Project Leader -- marketing mailing list marketing(a)lists.fedoraproject.org List info or to change your subscription: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing

On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 01:13:36PM -0400, Remy DeCausemaker wrote: > -- > Remy DeCausemaker > <decause(a)redhat.com&gt; > Fedora Community Lead & Council Member > http://whatcanidoforfedora.org > 308C A504 0B47 1503 C9D9 E670 E633 A79B 0BB0 F6D9 > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Matthew Miller" <mattdm(a)fedoraproject.org&gt; > > To: "Fedora + Community + Operations = Fedora CommOps" <commops(a)lists.fedoraproject.org&gt; > > Cc: "Fedora Marketing team" <marketing(a)lists.fedoraproject.org&gt; > > Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2015 12:33:11 PM > > Subject: Re: [commops] working on f23 final release announcement > > > > On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 05:22:47PM -0400, Remy DeCausemaker wrote: > > > I'm new here, so bear with me, but Fedora has been really been making > > > the "Friends" foundation a focus of the latest release, by improving > > > our infrastructure and community. I realize this is not necessarily > > > the distro itself, but there are a few activities that come to mind: > > > > > > - We deployed Bodhi2 (5 years in the making, huge performance increases, > > > fine-grained karma, and more...) > > > - D&I - Advisor search ongoing, and we've approved funding to hire two > > > Outreachy interns, helping with Hubs/dev portal & Community Operations > > > (CommOps) > > > - Fedora Hubs has already had a successful intern (mrichards) pave the way > > > for future interns and contributors. > > > - Fedora-bootstrap is our latest project wide CSS and website theme, > > > providing cohesion to our web properties. > > > - Fedmenu is a glimpse into the widgetized future that comes with > > > embeddable widgets via Fedora Hubs > > > - http://whatcanidoforfedora.org is like the Fedora Sorting Hat :) > > > - Fedora Magazine has hit milestone readership and publications (actual > > > numbers TBD) > > > - Others that I am not thinking of at the moment > > > > > > I know this list above includes things that we have shipped along > > > with things we have not yet shipped, but we've made mentionable > > > progress on a number of fronts. I dunno if these 'Community' > > > improvements are part of a release announcement or not, but they are > > > def worth mentioning somewhere (particularly the strides that have > > > been made in front-end, and in Rel-eng.) > > > > Nice angle — I really like this. I had suggested (or, maybe I glommed > > onto someone else's suggestion beacause I like the idea — I forget — > > anyway, it was suggested) that Fedora development might benefit from a > > "tick-tock" cycle, with one release focusing on process improvements, > > and the next release focusing on OS features. People weren't, overall, > > comfortable with putting Fedora into that model, I think mostly because > > feature changes sometimes come faster than that, but also irregularly. > > In any case, though I think this is clearly a "tick" release, with more > > process and infrastructure improvements than big change within the > > actual distribution. > > > > On a similar note, at FUDCon Lawrence a few years ago, Tim Burke > > suggested a "red/yellow/green" model for labeling how much scary change > > a release contains. (As an alternative to having major/minor releases.) > > I'm not a big fan of that, because I think we're mostly at the point > > where even our scary releases are actually very solid and are "green" > > in the absolute sense. But from that point of view, this is a "green" > > release too. With our current marketing / press model, which relies on > > splashy changes to generate talking points, this ironically means the > > releases we'd like _most_ to get into the hands of users get less > > attention. > > > > So anyway, that's a long way of saying that, yeah, I like the general > > idea. I'm not sure a list of technical infrastructure improvements will > > play any better with the press than a list of software version bumps, > > though. Open to ideas. :) > > I'm also open to ideas. I think that getting a solid list of > improvements and performance enhancements from Fedora-infra about > Bodhi2 would a great section to include in the notes. It's kinda > meta, but still such an epic set of improvements from a 5 year > undertaking. > > I'll reach out to the Infra team and try to get some > stats/metrics/facts/bullet points. > > Same for some bullet points on the Fedora-boostrap redesign > too. We're making a common look/feel, and it is helping to provide > some cohesion in our web properties. > > I'll also reach out to the Magazine folks, and see if I can get some > quick bulletpoints/stats for readers/articles published. I don't think we want to conflate the audience that wants to know how much better the sausage tastes, with the people that care about improvements to the sausage making equipment.

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