5:07 a.m.
From
http://en.opensuse.org/Frequently_Asked_Questions#Fedora_basically_forces...
Fedora basically forces you to update to the newest version to stay
current, even for security updates. How does openSUSE handle this?
This is also the case for all development versions (alpha/beta) of
SUSE Linux, but not for the released versions.
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Concerning security updates of Legacy versions of Fedora, Fedora
Legacy isn't in charge of this ?
if yes, we should ask OpenSuse to formulate their phrase better.
Chitlesh
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5:38 a.m.
On Fri, 2006-04-21 at 12:07 +0200, Chitlesh GOORAH wrote:
Concerning security updates of Legacy versions of Fedora, Fedora
Legacy isn't in charge of this ?
if yes, we should ask OpenSuse to formulate their phrase better.
Why do other distros, and their advocates, feel the need to (often
inaccurately) answer questions for _other_ distros?
I'm _still_ fighting the "epoch-based release" non-sense.
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10:58 a.m.
On Friday 21 April 2006 05:07, "Chitlesh GOORAH"
<chitlesh(a)fedoraproject.org>
wrote:
From
http://en.opensuse.org/Frequently_Asked_Questions#Fedora_basically_forces_y
ou_to_update_to_the_newest_version_to_stay_current.2C_even_for_security_upda
tes._How_does_openSUSE_handle_this.3F
Fedora basically forces you to update to the newest version to stay
current, even for security updates. How does openSUSE handle this?
This is also the case for all development versions (alpha/beta) of
SUSE Linux, but not for the released versions.
=====
Concerning security updates of Legacy versions of Fedora, Fedora
Legacy isn't in charge of this ?
if yes, we should ask OpenSuse to formulate their phrase better.
Please contact the author and ask them to update their materials or remove the
reference to Fedora altogether. You can suggest that they reference the
Fedora Legacy project if they wish to provide the most accurate information
possible.
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11:36 a.m.
On 4/21/06, Patrick W. Barnes <nman64(a)n-man.com> wrote:
Please contact the author and ask them to update their materials or
remove the
reference to Fedora altogether. You can suggest that they reference the
Fedora Legacy project if they wish to provide the most accurate information
possible.
Good luck with getting Suse to agree refraining from making direct
comparisons to Fedora. I think the fact that they felt a need to draw
a direct comparison in their high level documentation speaks volumes
as to the intrinsic worth of Fedora as a project. Obviously the people
who wrote that document feel that opensuse can only be justified in
terms of Fedora specifically.
I personally view that document as a shining example of how not to
advertise your open project and why all Fedora project communication
should be strictly focused on communcating Fedora without making a
comparison to any other unrelated project choice. We must accept the
fact that we can not make an authoriative statement as to the relative
worth of Fedora compared to any other similiar projects which are not
closely aligned to the fedora development process because we are not
experts in the structuring or the development roadmap for those other
projects. Anytime a comparative statement is made which is meant to
show Fedora is relatively more valuable than what another project is
currently doing.. you run the risk of that comparative statement
becoming out of date as the development process for Fedora and other
projects evolve. Fact checking to make sure we are communicating the
state-of-the-art of Fedora development is a big enough job. Trying to
keep up with Suse's or Ubuntu's or Gentoo's or whatever else
development specifics as well so we can make factually correct and
unbiased comparative statements is impossible to do.
-jef"Sadly I think someone invovled with opensuse communication was
suckered into believing that typical 'technical journalism' styled
'reviews' is the best way to inform people about their project"spaleta
12:49 p.m.
Jeff Spaleta <jspaleta(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Good luck with getting Suse to agree refraining from making direct
comparisons to Fedora. I think the fact that they felt a need to
draw a direct comparison in their high level documentation speaks
volumes as to the intrinsic worth of Fedora as a project. Obviously
the people who wrote that document feel that opensuse can only be
justified in terms of Fedora specifically.
There are a neverending number of people who have _never_ used Fedora
(or didn't do more than try to install it once or twice) who have a
total opinion on it. But most of them were complaining about Red
Hat(R) Linux prior anyway -- almost ironically about all the stuff
Fedora(TM) Core does have today.
I personally view that document as a shining example of how not to
advertise your open project and why all Fedora project
communication should be strictly focused on communcating Fedora
without making a comparison to any other unrelated project choice.
Agreed. We shouldn't worry about other distros. Even though I've
been a Debian maintainer and share publication credits with the
founder of Gentoo, I _refrain_ from making comparisons. It makes it
easier to ask others to do the same.
We should focus on how we can proliferate Fedora -- both as its own
distro, as well as a base for others much like Red Hat(R) Linux
before it (without the legal trap that caused Red Hat a lot of legal
and PR grief).
We must accept the fact that we can not make an authoriative
statement as to the relative worth of Fedora compared to any
other similiar projects which are not closely aligned to the
fedora development process because we are not experts in the
structuring or the development roadmap for those other
projects. Anytime a comparative statement is made which is
meant to show Fedora is relatively more valuable than what
another project is currently doing.. you run the risk of that
comparative statement becoming out of date as the development
process for Fedora and other projects evolve.
Right on point! That's currently the problem plaguing most
assumptions on Fedora. We don't want to do the same. We should
probably add a _single_ FAQ entry on ...
Q: How does Fedora compare to X ...
Distro X says Fedora does [not] do ...
Etc...
A: The community is attempting to solve many problems in many ways.
While some people and projects may see differences, we see a
commonality of problems that we are all trying to solve,
collectively. Although we may have different names, trademarks,
organizations and other approaches, we all do learn from each other.
Fedora could not exist if it was not for the efforts of other
projects, a commonality many distributions share in many cases. And
like any community, Fedora survives on the efforts of its volunteer.
Many of these volunteers not just contributing to only Fedora, but
other distributions as well.
In a nutshell: We ask people in the Linux community not drag the
brand name and related marketing rhetoric from the commercial
software world over into the community developed software world.
There is already a plethora of commercial companies that resell and
rebrand the exact same software as different names and compete
against each other merely because they have a different label on the
box.
Fact checking to make sure we are communicating the
state-of-the-art of Fedora development is a big enough job.
Trying to keep up with Suse's or Ubuntu's or Gentoo's or
whatever else development specifics as well so we can make
factually correct and unbiased comparative statements is
impossible to do.
Maybe add one more Q/A for the FAQ that adds that exact response too.
maybe the question could be ...
Q: But you're dodging the question, how does Fedora compare to X ...
?
A: (as you stated)
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