12:49 p.m.
Hi,
http://news.softpedia.com/news/Exclusive-Fedora-Interview-86401.shtml
"Softpedia: How does Fedora intend to overtake Ubuntu?
Paul W. Frields: Interestingly, this question assumes that Fedora's
goals, and the way we achieve them, are exactly the same as Ubuntu's.
Like Ubuntu, we have millions of users. We're able to report that, based
on the entirely open source technologies we use for our project. The key
to Fedora's strategy is realizing that doubling our number of users
doesn't help advance free and open source software as much as doubling
the number of active contributors. The work those contributors do
creates a far better experience with Linux, and that work reaches
audiences through many channels besides just the Fedora Project. Some
technology examples include NetworkManager, PackageKit, IcedTea and
OpenJDK 6, and ext4. You can see these technologies in distributions
other than Fedora, which shows the impact this "culture of contribution"
idea is having across FOSS."
Rahul
1:26 p.m.
New subject: Exclusive Fedora Interview, - With project leader, Paul W. Frields
Reading this question makes me wonder about what a lot of people are
thinking. When I think about Fedora and Open Source in general, I think
about the whole idea of sharing ideas. At work, my goal is not to be better
than anyone. It is to share my knowledge. Our team becomes better when we
work together and not against each other. I work with many others who's
single goal is to be better than others, sometimes deliberately sabotaging
others in the process. I hope I am never like that. I pass my knowledge
along to my kids, helping to create a base for them to grow from. Hopefully
to make them a better person, or to at least learn from my mistakes. I
joined Fedora to pass along that good will. I promote Linux and open source
as an alternative for people to build on, not to be used as an argument
against any other distro or OS. I see a lot of what is in Fedora now being
deployed in other distros including Ubuntu. That is where growth comes from.
I just don't understand why a lot of companies and papers think that distros
are pitted against each other. The single most aggravating statement I ever
hear is when a company's #1 goal is "Increase shareholder value". Wow. I
hate those three words.
On Sat, May 24, 2008 at 3:19 PM, Rahul Sundaram <sundaram(a)fedoraproject.org>
wrote:
Hi,
http://news.softpedia.com/news/Exclusive-Fedora-Interview-86401.shtml
"Softpedia: How does Fedora intend to overtake Ubuntu?
Paul W. Frields: Interestingly, this question assumes that Fedora's goals,
and the way we achieve them, are exactly the same as Ubuntu's. Like Ubuntu,
we have millions of users. We're able to report that, based on the entirely
open source technologies we use for our project. The key to Fedora's
strategy is realizing that doubling our number of users doesn't help advance
free and open source software as much as doubling the number of active
contributors. The work those contributors do creates a far better experience
with Linux, and that work reaches audiences through many channels besides
just the Fedora Project. Some technology examples include NetworkManager,
PackageKit, IcedTea and OpenJDK 6, and ext4. You can see these technologies
in distributions other than Fedora, which shows the impact this "culture of
contribution" idea is having across FOSS."
Rahul
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2:53 p.m.
New subject: Exclusive Fedora Interview, - With project leader, Paul W. Frields
2008/5/24 Scott Thistle <scott(a)tekkie.org>:
I just don't understand why a lot of companies and papers think
that distros
are pitted against each other. The single most aggravating statement I ever
hear is when a company's #1 goal is "Increase shareholder value". Wow. I
hate those three words.
It's because for the traditional software 'marketplace' it is about
competition. And the technical laypress are deeply rooted in the
experience of that traditional way of how software is developed and
marketed. The machinery or software review is geared around things
you can purchase in a store, so you see open source software reviews
is approached like its a console game title or an electronic gadget
or even a car.
We speak a completely different language, we speak a language of
'coopetition.' I think Paul's imagery of a community of farmers
helping each other out at a barn raising, has a lot of appeal. There
are probably some other farming analogies that we could use in talking
points. Things like long term sustainability versus short term yields,
which
The laypress by and large don't understand how 'coopetition' is meant
to work, or what sustainability means, or where the real value in the
open source process lies...in the ability to contribute beyond laying
down cash on a counter. Its a disruptive concept for the software
marketplace, and if Fedora's marketteers do one thing, and one thing
only.. I'd want it to be to educate the laypress about coopetition and
the power of contribution.
It will take a multi-release effort before we see a substantial change
in the laypress. I hope some of the talking points this time around
are remembered by particular people in the laypress, so we see the
quality of their questions improve next time around. I'm thinking
about creating a methodology so I can rank particular laypress
'journalists' are doing in terms of understanding concepts like
coopetition and sustainability.
-jef
3:26 p.m.
New subject: Exclusive Fedora Interview, - With project leader, Paul W. Frields
On Sat, 24 May 2008, Jeff Spaleta wrote:
2008/5/24 Scott Thistle <scott(a)tekkie.org>:
> I just don't understand why a lot of companies and papers think that
> distros are pitted against each other. The single most aggravating
> statement I ever hear is when a company's #1 goal is "Increase
> shareholder value". Wow. I hate those three words.
It's because for the traditional software 'marketplace' it is about
competition. And the technical laypress are deeply rooted in the
experience of that traditional way of how software is developed and
marketed. The machinery or software review is geared around things
you can purchase in a store, so you see open source software reviews
is approached like its a console game title or an electronic gadget
or even a car.
We speak a completely different language, we speak a language of
'coopetition.' I think Paul's imagery of a community of farmers
helping each other out at a barn raising, has a lot of appeal. There
are probably some other farming analogies that we could use in talking
points. Things like long term sustainability versus short term yields,
which
The laypress by and large don't understand how 'coopetition' is meant to
work, or what sustainability means, or where the real value in the open
source process lies...in the ability to contribute beyond laying down
cash on a counter. Its a disruptive concept for the software
marketplace, and if Fedora's marketteers do one thing, and one thing
only.. I'd want it to be to educate the laypress about coopetition and
the power of contribution.
It will take a multi-release effort before we see a substantial change
in the laypress. I hope some of the talking points this time around are
remembered by particular people in the laypress, so we see the quality
of their questions improve next time around. I'm thinking about
creating a methodology so I can rank particular laypress 'journalists'
are doing in terms of understanding concepts like coopetition and
sustainability.
It's the difference between Software Industry and Software Society.
Read Michael Tiemann's brilliant paper:
http://people.redhat.com/tiemann/STS-Forum-Tiemann-2006.pdf
Our goal at Red Hat, and the goal that participants in the Fedora Project
share with us, is to put our money where our mouth is, and lead with
Radical Collaboration and Radical Transparency.
--g
7:20 p.m.
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interesting..
On Sat, May 24, 2008 at 1:26 PM, Greg Dekoenigsberg <gdk(a)redhat.com> wrote:
On Sat, 24 May 2008, Jeff Spaleta wrote:
2008/5/24 Scott Thistle <scott(a)tekkie.org>:
>
> I just don't understand why a lot of companies and papers think that
>> distros are pitted against each other. The single most aggravating statement
>> I ever hear is when a company's #1 goal is "Increase shareholder
value".
>> Wow. I hate those three words.
>>
>
> It's because for the traditional software 'marketplace' it is about
> competition. And the technical laypress are deeply rooted in the
> experience of that traditional way of how software is developed and
> marketed. The machinery or software review is geared around things
> you can purchase in a store, so you see open source software reviews
> is approached like its a console game title or an electronic gadget
> or even a car.
>
> We speak a completely different language, we speak a language of
> 'coopetition.' I think Paul's imagery of a community of farmers
> helping each other out at a barn raising, has a lot of appeal. There
> are probably some other farming analogies that we could use in talking
> points. Things like long term sustainability versus short term yields,
> which
>
> The laypress by and large don't understand how 'coopetition' is meant to
> work, or what sustainability means, or where the real value in the open
> source process lies...in the ability to contribute beyond laying down cash
> on a counter. Its a disruptive concept for the software marketplace, and if
> Fedora's marketteers do one thing, and one thing only.. I'd want it to be to
> educate the laypress about coopetition and the power of contribution.
>
> It will take a multi-release effort before we see a substantial change in
> the laypress. I hope some of the talking points this time around are
> remembered by particular people in the laypress, so we see the quality of
> their questions improve next time around. I'm thinking about creating a
> methodology so I can rank particular laypress 'journalists' are doing in
> terms of understanding concepts like coopetition and sustainability.
>
It's the difference between Software Industry and Software Society.
Read Michael Tiemann's brilliant paper:
http://people.redhat.com/tiemann/STS-Forum-Tiemann-2006.pdf
Our goal at Red Hat, and the goal that participants in the Fedora Project
share with us, is to put our money where our mouth is, and lead with Radical
Collaboration and Radical Transparency.
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8:37 p.m.
New subject: Exclusive Fedora Interview, - With project leader, Paul W. Frields
2008/5/24 Grady Laksmono <gradyfausta(a)laksmono.com>:
interesting..
On Sat, May 24, 2008 at 1:26 PM, Greg Dekoenigsberg <gdk(a)redhat.com>
wrote:
>
> On Sat, 24 May 2008, Jeff Spaleta wrote:
>
> 2008/5/24 Scott Thistle <scott(a)tekkie.org>:
>>
>> I just don't understand why a lot of companies and papers think that
>>> distros are pitted against each other. The single most aggravating statement
>>> I ever hear is when a company's #1 goal is "Increase shareholder
value".
>>> Wow. I hate those three words.
>>>
>>
>> We speak a completely different language, we speak a language of
>> 'coopetition.' I think Paul's imagery of a community of farmers
>> helping each other out at a barn raising, has a lot of appeal. There
>> are probably some other farming analogies that we could use in talking
>> points. Things like long term sustainability versus short term yields,
>> which
>>
>
> It's the difference between Software Industry and Software Society.
>
> Read Michael Tiemann's brilliant paper:
> http://people.redhat.com/tiemann/STS-Forum-Tiemann-2006.pdf
>
> Our goal at Red Hat, and the goal that participants in the Fedora Project
> share with us, is to put our money where our mouth is, and lead with Radical
> Collaboration and Radical Transparency.
>
> --g
That article makes for awesome reading. Thank you. I had to do some googling
and read more from that quote about the Gates Foundation. It is something to
be said about 'coopetition' where actual lives are involved. The value of
sharing is then amplified.
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