6:03 p.m.
Here it is folk...
* Define roles (of people)
* Start officiating meetings (weekly might be too taxing, but
maybe bi-weekly...)
* We handle all press releases
* Create marketing presentations
* FUDCon (video/audio/live streaming, distribution afterward,
publicity, organising)
* Tracking media releases - providing appropriate responses if
they're wrong/incorrect (Jack has done this in the past, though
cc'ed only on a private list; Rahul Sundaram has been doing this
in public on f-m-l, great stuff - I smell a role here, already)
- harness resources like google news
* Encourage MarCon's to do presentations
* Local/OEM support companies are important to list. Also CD
vendors. Let's encourage the spreading of Fedora, by helping
those that do it IRL (and so happen to make a little money off
it)
* Fedora books, CDs, Resources DB - we need a list
* Targeted marketing: developers, users, companies, universities
(add more here)
* Plans for a newer website - users go to it first, lets make it
usable/better
* Fedora Traffic - aka fedora news updates. How do we as a team
make it happen (I have ideas, scripts, etc... just now looking
for volunteers and well, delegation time)
* Find out about existing Fedora websites. See how we can build on
their resources (like how we did for fedoraforum), and maybe
make affiliations with them
* Create a formal swag request/fulfillment process
* Hardware Compatibility Lists (HCLs) - we are certifiying
nothing. More on this topic in a while (i.e. I have code, and
work in ~/code/hwdb, now its just time to unleash the beast for
a beating)
* Marketing via a LiveCD - developer's don't find this terribly
useful, but its a great marketing tool. Now, we need to leverage
pushing this towards being done.
* Getting wider exposure - magazines have to start loving us. Even
if it means we edit the comps.xml and provide something suitable
for them. DVDs are getting popular though, whee!
--
Colin Charles, http://www.bytebot.net/
FUDCon II @ LinuxTag
June 24-25, 2005 in Karlsruhe, Germany
http://fedoraproject.com/fudcon/
6:57 p.m.
/me replies to the fun stuff, first
On Wed, 2005-06-08 at 16:03 -0700, Colin Charles wrote:
Here it is folk...
* Hardware Compatibility Lists (HCLs) - we are certifiying
nothing. More on this topic in a while (i.e. I have code, and
work in ~/code/hwdb, now its just time to unleash the beast for
a beating)
You've probably read it, but for those who don't keep up on fedora-docs-
list, here is a recent thread on HCLs:
http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-docs-list/2005-June/msg00035.html
IMHO, the HCL concept took a beating, in most all forms. The best idea
is that some automagic might be nice. There are lots of lists of
hardware by model in the distro that could be yanked into XML and thus
into something pretty. But ye gods! don't let us do anything manual.
'Nuff said.
* Marketing via a LiveCD - developer's don't find this
terribly
useful, but its a great marketing tool. Now, we need to leverage
pushing this towards being done.
Oh, this is essential. Anyone who says it's not useful in many ways is
not on this planet and should be ignored for this subject. ;-P
I know there are technical hurdles and the like, and it must include a
usable OO.o. Knoppix STD works great for me personally, but I *know* I
could convert people if I could just boot Fedora Core on their machines
in a non-destructive manner. At US$.015 a live CD, that's some cheap
propaganda.
- Karsten
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7:23 p.m.
On Wed, 2005-06-08 at 16:57 -0700, Karsten Wade wrote:
/me replies to the fun stuff, first
On Wed, 2005-06-08 at 16:03 -0700, Colin Charles wrote:
> Here it is folk...
> * Hardware Compatibility Lists (HCLs) - we are certifiying
> nothing. More on this topic in a while (i.e. I have code, and
> work in ~/code/hwdb, now its just time to unleash the beast for
> a beating)
You've probably read it, but for those who don't keep up on fedora-docs-
list, here is a recent thread on HCLs:
http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-docs-list/2005-June/msg00035.html
IMHO, the HCL concept took a beating, in most all forms. The best idea
is that some automagic might be nice. There are lots of lists of
hardware by model in the distro that could be yanked into XML and thus
into something pretty. But ye gods! don't let us do anything manual.
'Nuff said.
> * Marketing via a LiveCD - developer's don't find this terribly
> useful, but its a great marketing tool. Now, we need to leverage
> pushing this towards being done.
Oh, this is essential. Anyone who says it's not useful in many ways is
not on this planet and should be ignored for this subject. ;-P
I know there are technical hurdles and the like, and it must include a
usable OO.o. Knoppix STD works great for me personally, but I *know* I
could convert people if I could just boot Fedora Core on their machines
in a non-destructive manner. At US$.015 a live CD, that's some cheap
propaganda.
- Karsten
I know a gentleman who makes LiveCD's for a living. I can invite him to
help - it's not a big deal. Really!
7:59 p.m.
On Wed, 2005-06-08 at 16:57 -0700, Karsten Wade wrote:
IMHO, the HCL concept took a beating, in most all forms. The best
idea
is that some automagic might be nice. There are lots of lists of
hardware by model in the distro that could be yanked into XML and thus
into something pretty. But ye gods! don't let us do anything manual.
This was also the conclusion reached in the Fedora BOF at the Red Hat
Summit last week. I have "write up the stuff we said" as a todo item,
but the fact that I'm moving tomorrow has meant that I haven't gotten to
it yet :-)
I think this is probably a useful thing to put on the FC5Future page as
it's actually not _that_ complicated of a project. The hardest part is
the web side; the app to get the information is pretty simple between
kudzu and/or hal.
> * Marketing via a LiveCD - developer's don't find
this terribly
> useful, but its a great marketing tool. Now, we need to leverage
> pushing this towards being done.
Oh, this is essential. Anyone who says it's not useful in many ways is
not on this planet and should be ignored for this subject. ;-P
Also talked about this some. Live CDs are so a few years ago ;-)
Perhaps a more interesting path to go down (at least for official
re-distribution) is a Live DVD. That also includes the installer +
packages so you can kick off an install from it as well. That sounds
more compelling to me in a lot of ways.
fedora-livecd-list exists, jump on and propose some infrastructure for
the creation. At this point, I think the main thing is someone
volunteering to help get the effort going, provide a proof of concept
and then work to refine it.
Jeremy
8:53 p.m.
Perhaps a more interesting path to go down (at least for official
re-distribution) is a Live DVD. That also includes the installer +
packages so you can kick off an install from it as well. That sounds
more compelling to me in a lot of ways.
fedora-livecd-list exists, jump on and propose some infrastructure for
the creation. At this point, I think the main thing is someone
volunteering to help get the effort going, provide a proof of concept
and then work to refine it.
If people need to facilitate getting test images of fedora livecd/dvd's
out into the world come talk to me about getting torrents up and if you
need a place to just put the images up on the web I can help.
-sv
11:37 p.m.
On 6/8/05, seth vidal <skvidal(a)phy.duke.edu> wrote:
If people need to facilitate getting test images of fedora
livecd/dvd's
out into the world come talk to me about getting torrents up and if you
need a place to just put the images up on the web I can help.
Has anyone gone back and talked to Dirk Westfall.. he has a a set of
perl scripts i think.. to spin up a live cd from a set of rpms for a
while now.
For example his instructions on how to make a custom livecd starting
with his barebones configuration.
http://www.linux4all.de/livecd/barebone/customization-1.1.htm
And his fc3 based livecd called basilisk
http://www.linux4all.de/livecd/basilisk/1.40/README-basilisk-1.40.htm
-jef
9:07 a.m.
On Thu, 2005-06-09 at 00:37 -0400, Jeff Spaleta wrote:
Has anyone gone back and talked to Dirk Westfall.. he has a a set of
perl scripts i think.. to spin up a live cd from a set of rpms for a
while now.
He's on the livecd list. We haven't heard much yet, since the list got
kicked off
--
Colin Charles, http://www.bytebot.net/
FUDCon II @ LinuxTag
June 24-25, 2005 in Karlsruhe, Germany
http://fedoraproject.com/fudcon/
11:19 p.m.
If this post is out of place, please forgive me.
> * Marketing via a LiveCD - developer's don't find
this terribly
> useful, but its a great marketing tool. Now, we need to leverage
> pushing this towards being done.
>
>
Oh, this is essential. Anyone who says it's not useful in many ways is
not on this planet and should be ignored for this subject. ;-P
I know there are technical hurdles and the like, and it must include a
usable OO.o. Knoppix STD works great for me personally, but I *know* I
could convert people if I could just boot Fedora Core on their machines
in a non-destructive manner. At US$.015 a live CD, that's some cheap
propaganda.
- Karsten
I'd like to second Karsten's words on this one. I use Fedora in a
variety of classes, and I hit newbie questions all the time. Here are
some big issues:
-- Lack of time to download four or more CD images, burn them, and
resolve any IDE DMA false failures in mediacheck.
-- Fear of corrupting a work PC/laptop/home computer that would be hard
to do without.
-- Residual fear of "blowing up the monitor". A surprising number of
people I meet have heard such horror stories from long ago.
-- General inability to gain ground and sort through installation
issues. If you have never seen a UNIX system or Linux before, trying to
navigate through anaconda and (especially) Disk Druid is pretty baffling.
When I started out, I saw a lot of people who had some UNIX experience,
and who wanted to learn (basically) how close Linux comes to behaving
like their venerable OS. But now, more and more I find students who
have never ever seen a UNIX system. They want to learn Linux, but
without exposure to UNIX, many concepts are quite foreign.
A live CD for Fedora can help new users avoid a lot of complexity and
frustration while they learn the basics. I'd love it.
Erik
8:13 a.m.
On Thu, 09 Jun 2005 00:19:24 -0400, "Erik Hemdal" <ehemdal(a)townisp.com>
said:
-- General inability to gain ground and sort through installation
issues. If you have never seen a UNIX system or Linux before, trying to
navigate through anaconda and (especially) Disk Druid is pretty baffling.
Anaconda definitely presents a lot of stuff if you select the customize
options, and the trick is perhaps to get newbies to ignore them and
choose the defaults. So screencasting has been proposed as a Fedora
bounty, with a target of showing a default install (that's been captured
in QEMU or similar), so that the newbie can see what to do and hopefully
feel easy about it. Plus cool screencasts have marketing potential.
E-mail:
https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-docs-list/2005-June/msg00057.html
When I started out, I saw a lot of people who had some UNIX
experience,
and who wanted to learn (basically) how close Linux comes to behaving
like their venerable OS. But now, more and more I find students who
have never ever seen a UNIX system. They want to learn Linux, but
without exposure to UNIX, many concepts are quite foreign.
Amen. Windows and UNIX worlds think in different ways about even simple
things, and that impedes all kinds of communication.
--
Stuart Ellis
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