8:06 a.m.
Hi,
what is the current policy on bumping kernel version after release?
I'm well aware that bumping kernel version might break many things and
as such isn't desirable, but bug 572963 [1], which affects F12 and
F13, is fixed (for me at least) in rawhide 2.6.34 kernel.
--
Vedran Miletić
[1] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=572963
8:10 a.m.
On 29/05/10 14:06, Vedran Miletić wrote:
Hi,
what is the current policy on bumping kernel version after release?
I'm well aware that bumping kernel version might break many things and
as such isn't desirable, but bug 572963 [1], which affects F12 and
F13, is fixed (for me at least) in rawhide 2.6.34 kernel.
Have you checked Koji for a kernel?
Try installing the rawhide kernel?
If it fixes your problem.
Frank
8:36 a.m.
2010/5/29 Frank Murphy <frankly3d(a)gmail.com>:
On 29/05/10 14:06, Vedran Miletić wrote:
> Hi,
>
> what is the current policy on bumping kernel version after release?
> I'm well aware that bumping kernel version might break many things and
> as such isn't desirable, but bug 572963 [1], which affects F12 and
> F13, is fixed (for me at least) in rawhide 2.6.34 kernel.
>
Have you checked Koji for a kernel?
Try installing the rawhide kernel?
If it fixes your problem.
Sure, it does. Is it OK to use rawhide kernel with F13?
--
Vedran Miletić
9:06 a.m.
On Sat, May 29, 2010 at 15:36:13 +0200,
Vedran Miletić <rivanvx(a)gmail.com> wrote:
2010/5/29 Frank Murphy <frankly3d(a)gmail.com>:
> On 29/05/10 14:06, Vedran Miletić wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> what is the current policy on bumping kernel version after release?
>> I'm well aware that bumping kernel version might break many things and
>> as such isn't desirable, but bug 572963 [1], which affects F12 and
>> F13, is fixed (for me at least) in rawhide 2.6.34 kernel.
>>
>
> Have you checked Koji for a kernel?
> Try installing the rawhide kernel?
> If it fixes your problem.
Sure, it does. Is it OK to use rawhide kernel with F13?
Maybe. I would gues that now it's pretty likely. However, Kyle McMartin made
a scratch build from around the same time as the F14 builds, so you might
want to start with testing that.
9:18 a.m.
On 29/05/10 15:06, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
--snip--
>> Have you checked Koji for a kernel?
>> Try installing the rawhide kernel?
>> If it fixes your problem.
>
> Sure, it does. Is it OK to use rawhide kernel with F13?
Maybe. I would gues that now it's pretty likely. However, Kyle McMartin made
a scratch build from around the same time as the F14 builds, so you might
want to start with testing that.
I'd say as Bruno says try the koji build first,
if it works go with it.
If it don't fix your problem, go Rawhide.
YMMV using a Rawhide kernel as they can be very bleeding edge.
Personally, have used them to cure bugs, in my hardware.
--
Regards,
Frank Murphy
UTF_8 Encoded
Friend of Fedora
9:50 a.m.
On Sat, May 29, 2010 at 15:18:43 +0100,
Frank Murphy <frankly3d(a)gmail.com> wrote:
I'd say as Bruno says try the koji build first,
Unfortunately as Gene pointed out it's too late. I should have double checked
the rpms were still there. I thought the message from Kyle was from this
week, but actually it was from over a week ago and the rpms have already
been cleaned up.
Based on Kyle's initial message I suspect that test builds will start showing
up in the not too distant future.
I also got the impression that he wanted people to do some testing for him,
so he might be partial to making another scratch build if people serious
about using it asked him.
9:50 a.m.
2010/5/29 Bruno Wolff III <bruno(a)wolff.to>:
Based on Kyle's initial message I suspect that test builds will
start showing
up in the not too distant future.
I also got the impression that he wanted people to do some testing for him,
so he might be partial to making another scratch build if people serious
about using it asked him.
I'm willing to test it, apparently.
--
Vedran Miletić
9:56 a.m.
On Sat, May 29, 2010 at 16:50:44 +0200,
Vedran Miletić <rivanvx(a)gmail.com> wrote:
2010/5/29 Bruno Wolff III <bruno(a)wolff.to>:
> Based on Kyle's initial message I suspect that test builds will start showing
> up in the not too distant future.
>
> I also got the impression that he wanted people to do some testing for him,
> so he might be partial to making another scratch build if people serious
> about using it asked him.
I'm willing to test it, apparently.
I forgot to include the link to the thread:
http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/kernel/2010-May/002446.html
His redhat id is kmcmartin.
10:55 a.m.
Frank Murphy wrote:
On 29/05/10 14:06, Vedran Miletić wrote:
> Hi,
>
> what is the current policy on bumping kernel version after release?
> I'm well aware that bumping kernel version might break many things and
> as such isn't desirable, but bug 572963 [1], which affects F12 and
> F13, is fixed (for me at least) in rawhide 2.6.34 kernel.
>
Have you checked Koji for a kernel?
Try installing the rawhide kernel?
If it fixes your problem.
This is probably useful in general, but since he already tried the rawhide
kernel it isn't new information and doesn't seem to answer his question, which
was about policy.
I'm fairly sure that kernel version upgrades have taken place in the past, but I
don't know what policy might be on doing so. Since I've been told that my pet
bug will not be in FC13, if a fix comes out I will happily build my own kernel,
and be happy to do so. There have been times in the past when a rawhide kernel
pulled in many things I didn't want to touch, so kernel.org source is still
desirable at times.
--
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"We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from
the machinations of the wicked." - from Slashdot
11:09 a.m.
On 29/05/10 16:55, Bill Davidsen wrote:
--snipp--
>
> Have you checked Koji for a kernel?
> Try installing the rawhide kernel?
> If it fixes your problem.
>
This is probably useful in general, but since he already tried the rawhide
kernel it isn't new information and doesn't seem to answer his question, which
was about policy.
As yet we just know it fixes his problem, no comfirmation as to whether
it was installed. (subsequent info from op would confirm this.
I'm fairly sure that kernel version upgrades have taken place in
the past, but I
don't know what policy might be on doing so. Since I've been told that my pet
bug will not be in FC13, if a fix comes out I will happily build my own kernel,
and be happy to do so. There have been times in the past when a rawhide kernel
pulled in many things I didn't want to touch, so kernel.org source is still
desirable at times.
Even on the testing list, I could not assume that everyone would have
the necessary skillset to build a kernel, where should be ablt to
install from koji and or rawhide.repo
--
Regards,
Frank Murphy
UTF_8 Encoded
Friend of Fedora
11:20 a.m.
On Sat, May 29, 2010 at 11:55:44 -0400,
Bill Davidsen <davidsen(a)tmr.com> wrote:
I'm fairly sure that kernel version upgrades have taken place in the past, but I
don't know what policy might be on doing so. Since I've been told that my pet
bug will not be in FC13, if a fix comes out I will happily build my own kernel,
and be happy to do so. There have been times in the past when a rawhide kernel
pulled in many things I didn't want to touch, so kernel.org source is still
desirable at times.
In the post Kyle made he suggested that 2.6.34 test builds for F13 would
probably be happening pretty soon. And F14 should be going to 2.6.35 soon.
2.6.33 support will be ending soon, so F13 will need to move on to 2.6.34.
F12 uses 2.6.32 which is getting longer support, so there is no special
pressure to change the kernel there.
8:28 a.m.
On Sat, May 29, 2010 at 15:06:12 +0200,
Vedran Miletić <rivanvx(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
what is the current policy on bumping kernel version after release?
I'm well aware that bumping kernel version might break many things and
as such isn't desirable, but bug 572963 [1], which affects F12 and
F13, is fixed (for me at least) in rawhide 2.6.34 kernel.
There is a scratch build of 2.6.34 for F13 that you might want to test:
http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=2199579
For F12 things get trickier as there was a bump of the kernel interface
for Nouveau.
2.6.32 is a (relatively) long term support kernel. I wouldn't be surpised
to see F12 use that for the duration.
2.6.33 has about one more upstream update left in it, so I expect F13 to
move on to 2.6.34 before its EOL.
9:21 a.m.
On 05/29/2010 09:28 AM, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
There is a scratch build of 2.6.34 for F13 that you might want to
test:
http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=2199579
Pardon my ignorance - what is a scratch build ? I followed the link
and found no built rpm's .. do you mean use the src rpm to build on f13 ?
9:45 a.m.
On Sat, May 29, 2010 at 10:21:26 -0400,
Genes MailLists <lists(a)sapience.com> wrote:
On 05/29/2010 09:28 AM, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
> There is a scratch build of 2.6.34 for F13 that you might want to test:
> http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=2199579
>
Pardon my ignorance - what is a scratch build ? I followed the link
and found no built rpm's .. do you mean use the src rpm to build on f13 ?
Scratch as in temporary. I thought it hadn't been long enough to worry
about the rpms going away. I thought it had been less than a week since
Kyle posted the link, but my memory was wrong.
It looks like the rpms have already been removed. I should have verified that
they were still there, before responding.
9:54 a.m.
On Sat, May 29, 2010 at 10:45 AM, Bruno Wolff III <bruno(a)wolff.to> wrote:
It looks like the rpms have already been removed. I should have
verified that
they were still there, before responding.
If anyone's interested, I've kicked off a scratch build of 2.6.34-11
against dist-f13. Just started, but you'll be able to find it at
http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=2217307 when it's
done.
9:57 a.m.
On Sat, May 29, 2010 at 10:54:32 -0400,
Jon Stanley <jonstanley(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On Sat, May 29, 2010 at 10:45 AM, Bruno Wolff III
<bruno(a)wolff.to> wrote:
> It looks like the rpms have already been removed. I should have verified that
> they were still there, before responding.
If anyone's interested, I've kicked off a scratch build of 2.6.34-11
against dist-f13. Just started, but you'll be able to find it at
http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=2217307 when it's
done.
Thanks!
11:33 a.m.
2010/5/29 Jon Stanley <jonstanley(a)gmail.com>:
If anyone's interested, I've kicked off a scratch build of
2.6.34-11
against dist-f13. Just started, but you'll be able to find it at
http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=2217307 when it's
done.
Thanks, it works very nice. It has same performance regression I
observed with F14 kernel (about 300 FPS less with glxgears), but works
in general (no hang) and has no rendering bugs.
In case anyone cares, this is on Dell 1545 with Radeon HD 4330.
Regards,
--
Vedran Miletić
9:43 a.m.
On Sat, 2010-05-29 at 18:33 +0200, Vedran Miletić wrote:
2010/5/29 Jon Stanley <jonstanley(a)gmail.com>:
> If anyone's interested, I've kicked off a scratch build of 2.6.34-11
> against dist-f13. Just started, but you'll be able to find it at
> http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=2217307 when it's
> done.
Thanks, it works very nice. It has same performance regression I
observed with F14 kernel (about 300 FPS less with glxgears), but works
in general (no hang) and has no rendering bugs.
In case anyone cares, this is on Dell 1545 with Radeon HD 4330.
If I'm reading the changelogs right, I believe any 2.6.34 build prior to
2.6.34-14 actually has *older* drm code than F13 kernels do, because F13
kernels got a backport of drm-next (drm-core-next.patch) while F14
kernels prior to that date don't. So you may want to try 2.6.34-14 as
well to check if it still works with that...
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9:46 a.m.
2010/5/31 Adam Williamson <awilliam(a)redhat.com>:
If I'm reading the changelogs right, I believe any 2.6.34 build
prior to
2.6.34-14 actually has *older* drm code than F13 kernels do, because F13
kernels got a backport of drm-next (drm-core-next.patch) while F14
kernels prior to that date don't. So you may want to try 2.6.34-14 as
well to check if it still works with that...
Sure. Is there a build for dist-f13?
--
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Odjel za informatiku Sveučilišta u Rijeci
http://www.inf.uniri.hr/~vmiletic/
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10:15 a.m.
On Mon, 2010-05-31 at 16:46 +0200, Vedran Miletić wrote:
2010/5/31 Adam Williamson <awilliam(a)redhat.com>:
> If I'm reading the changelogs right, I believe any 2.6.34 build prior to
> 2.6.34-14 actually has *older* drm code than F13 kernels do, because F13
> kernels got a backport of drm-next (drm-core-next.patch) while F14
> kernels prior to that date don't. So you may want to try 2.6.34-14 as
> well to check if it still works with that...
Sure. Is there a build for dist-f13?
Haven't seen one. So far, I've found fc14 kernels boot fine on F13, and
kernel is a fairly safe package to try this with anyway, since if it
doesn't work you haven't really lost anything, you can just boot back to
the F13 kernel.
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11:55 a.m.
2010/5/31 Adam Williamson <awilliam(a)redhat.com>:
Haven't seen one. So far, I've found fc14 kernels boot fine
on F13, and
kernel is a fairly safe package to try this with anyway, since if it
doesn't work you haven't really lost anything, you can just boot back to
the F13 kernel.
Jon, could you kick off a scratch build again?
--
Vedran Miletić
5:31 p.m.
On 05/31/2010 10:25 PM, Vedran Miletić wrote:
2010/5/31 Adam Williamson <awilliam(a)redhat.com>:
> Haven't seen one. So far, I've found fc14 kernels boot fine on F13, and
> kernel is a fairly safe package to try this with anyway, since if it
> doesn't work you haven't really lost anything, you can just boot back to
> the F13 kernel.
>
Jon, could you kick off a scratch build again?
FYI, anyone with a Fedora account can kick off a scratch build and you
don't need to be a Fedora package maintainer to do that. Get a account
from
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/accounts
That is done with just a few clicks.
# yum install fedora-packager
Run the following command to set things up
# fedora-packager-setup
Download the srpm you want to build and then run something like:
$ koji build --scratch dist-f14 /path/to/srpm
Rahul
4:55 a.m.
Datuma 1. lipnja 2010. 00:31 Rahul Sundaram <metherid(a)gmail.com> je napisao/la:
# yum install fedora-packager
Works.
Run the following command to set things up
# fedora-packager-setup
Sure. I get certificate for Firefox and install it there. BTW, do I
need to run this as root?
Download the srpm you want to build and then run something like:
$ koji build --scratch dist-f14 /path/to/srpm
This one complains about "not being able to log in" or something like
that. Any ideas?
--
Vedran Miletić
11:47 a.m.
New subject: Scratch - Builds was: Newer Kernels
On 31/05/10 23:31, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
# fedora-packager-setup
Download the srpm you want to build and then run something like:
$ koji build --scratch dist-f14 /path/to/srpm
Rahul
Could I do this to get the Devel Clamav on my F13's?
Geting lots of the libclamav warnings:
LibClamAV Warning: *** This version of the ClamAV engine is outdated.
***
--
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Frank Murphy
UTF_8 Encoded
Friend of Fedora
12:57 p.m.
New subject: Scratch - Builds was: Newer Kernels
On Wed, 2 Jun 2010, Frank Murphy wrote:
Could I do this to get the Devel Clamav on my F13's?
Geting lots of the libclamav warnings:
LibClamAV Warning: *** This version of the ClamAV engine is outdated.
***
Or you could try installing the clamav devel packages directly. It might
or might not work depending on how far F-13 and devel have diverged, but
if it does it should be easier than a full rebuild.
Michael Young
11:54 a.m.
Adam Williamson wrote:
On Sat, 2010-05-29 at 18:33 +0200, Vedran Miletić wrote:
> 2010/5/29 Jon Stanley <jonstanley(a)gmail.com>:
>> If anyone's interested, I've kicked off a scratch build of 2.6.34-11
>> against dist-f13. Just started, but you'll be able to find it at
>> http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=2217307 when it's
>> done.
> Thanks, it works very nice. It has same performance regression I
> observed with F14 kernel (about 300 FPS less with glxgears), but works
> in general (no hang) and has no rendering bugs.
>
> In case anyone cares, this is on Dell 1545 with Radeon HD 4330.
If I'm reading the changelogs right, I believe any 2.6.34 build prior to
2.6.34-14 actually has *older* drm code than F13 kernels do, because F13
kernels got a backport of drm-next (drm-core-next.patch) while F14
kernels prior to that date don't. So you may want to try 2.6.34-14 as
well to check if it still works with that...
Just checked with yum, "-11" seems to be it unless you build it yourself:
Installed Packages
kernel.x86_64 2.6.33.3-79.fc13 @fedora
kernel.x86_64 2.6.33.3-85.fc13 @fedora
kernel.x86_64 2.6.33.4-95.fc13 @updates
kernel.x86_64 2.6.34-11.fc13 installed
Available Packages
kernel.x86_64 2.6.34-11.fc14 rawhide
I'm not adverse to doing that, but not on a holiday weekend...
--
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"We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from
the machinations of the wicked." - from Slashdot
12:08 p.m.
On Mon, 2010-05-31 at 12:54 -0400, Bill Davidsen wrote:
Adam Williamson wrote:
> On Sat, 2010-05-29 at 18:33 +0200, Vedran Miletić wrote:
>> 2010/5/29 Jon Stanley <jonstanley(a)gmail.com>:
>>> If anyone's interested, I've kicked off a scratch build of
2.6.34-11
>>> against dist-f13. Just started, but you'll be able to find it at
>>> http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=2217307 when it's
>>> done.
>> Thanks, it works very nice. It has same performance regression I
>> observed with F14 kernel (about 300 FPS less with glxgears), but works
>> in general (no hang) and has no rendering bugs.
>>
>> In case anyone cares, this is on Dell 1545 with Radeon HD 4330.
>
> If I'm reading the changelogs right, I believe any 2.6.34 build prior to
> 2.6.34-14 actually has *older* drm code than F13 kernels do, because F13
> kernels got a backport of drm-next (drm-core-next.patch) while F14
> kernels prior to that date don't. So you may want to try 2.6.34-14 as
> well to check if it still works with that...
Just checked with yum, "-11" seems to be it unless you build it yourself:
Installed Packages
kernel.x86_64 2.6.33.3-79.fc13 @fedora
kernel.x86_64 2.6.33.3-85.fc13 @fedora
kernel.x86_64 2.6.33.4-95.fc13 @updates
kernel.x86_64 2.6.34-11.fc13 installed
Available Packages
kernel.x86_64 2.6.34-11.fc14 rawhide
I'm not adverse to doing that, but not on a holiday weekend...
You can get the -14.fc14 build from Koji and just rpm -ivh it.
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9:29 a.m.
On Tue, Jun 01, 2010 at 11:54:23 +0200,
Vedran Miletić <rivanvx(a)gmail.com> wrote:
2010/5/31 Adam Williamson <awilliam(a)redhat.com>:
>
> You can get the -14.fc14 build from Koji and just rpm -ivh it.
Works for me. So, it's not DRM changes, it's something else, probably
ACPI related.
There should be -17 builds available shortly. There is both an F14 and F13
version being built. I am not sure if the F13 version is a scratch build
or not, so just in case you can find it at:
http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=2222409
As of right now, no i686 rpms are available, but most or all of the x86_64
ones are.
9:39 a.m.
Datuma 1. lipnja 2010. 16:29 Bruno Wolff III <bruno(a)wolff.to> je napisao/la:
There should be -17 builds available shortly. There is both an F14
and F13
version being built. I am not sure if the F13 version is a scratch build
or not, so just in case you can find it at:
http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=2222409
Great.
As of right now, no i686 rpms are available, but most or all of the
x86_64
ones are.
I use x86_64 anyway :)
--
Vedran Miletić
10:02 a.m.
On 01/06/10 15:29, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
--snip--
There should be -17 builds available shortly. There is both an F14
and F13
version being built. I am not sure if the F13 version is a scratch build
or not, so just in case you can find it at:
http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=2222409
As of right now, no i686 rpms are available, but most or all of the x86_64
ones are.
Even thought i386 is an organge link.
It downloads
--
Regards,
Frank Murphy
UTF_8 Encoded
Friend of Fedora
6 a.m.
On 29/05/10 15:54, Jon Stanley wrote:
On Sat, May 29, 2010 at 10:45 AM, Bruno Wolff III
<bruno(a)wolff.to> wrote:
> It looks like the rpms have already been removed. I should have verified that
> they were still there, before responding.
If anyone's interested, I've kicked off a scratch build of 2.6.34-11
against dist-f13. Just started, but you'll be able to find it at
http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=2217307 when it's
done.
With the same version but rawhide-F14.
Have the following issue:
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=597747
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Regards,
Frank Murphy
UTF_8 Encoded
Friend of Fedora
4:18 a.m.
2010/5/29 Bruno Wolff III <bruno(a)wolff.to>:
On Sat, May 29, 2010 at 15:06:12 +0200,
Vedran Miletić <rivanvx(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> what is the current policy on bumping kernel version after release?
> I'm well aware that bumping kernel version might break many things and
> as such isn't desirable, but bug 572963 [1], which affects F12 and
> F13, is fixed (for me at least) in rawhide 2.6.34 kernel.
There is a scratch build of 2.6.34 for F13 that you might want to test:
http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=2199579
For F12 things get trickier as there was a bump of the kernel interface
for Nouveau.
2.6.32 is a (relatively) long term support kernel. I wouldn't be surpised
to see F12 use that for the duration.
2.6.33 has about one more upstream update left in it, so I expect F13 to
move on to 2.6.34 before its EOL.
Testing the 2.6.34 kernel above on my Dell Latitude D630 with a
Nouveau card it doesn't even boot. I get a lot of ACPI errors that
keep scrolling, it looks like it will eventually boot but still
doesn't get anywhere after a good 5 minutes.
Peter
5:27 a.m.
On Sun, May 30, 2010 at 10:18:51AM +0100, Peter Robinson wrote:
Testing the 2.6.34 kernel above on my Dell Latitude D630 with a
Nouveau card it doesn't even boot. I get a lot of ACPI errors that
keep scrolling,
Would it help if you would add acpi_enforce_resources=lax to your
boot options? There is also always a roster of various
acpi=<this_or_that> to try or even a big hammer acpi=off. Although
the last one has less and less chances to boot at all on a modern
hardware.
Michal
9:45 a.m.
On Sat, 2010-05-29 at 15:06 +0200, Vedran Miletić wrote:
Hi,
what is the current policy on bumping kernel version after release?
I'm well aware that bumping kernel version might break many things and
as such isn't desirable, but bug 572963 [1], which affects F12 and
F13, is fixed (for me at least) in rawhide 2.6.34 kernel.
To go back and answer the question - there isn't much of a policy, it
boils down to being a judgment call by the kernel team. Most releases
get at least one point release bump in their kernel version, but it's
not automatic; it depends on the kernel team's assessment of benefit vs.
risk.
--
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