First, no official page on social network. This isn't a good thing.

We can start with writing article about configuring this or how to install this, and how to trying this other on the fedora magazine firstly.

> We'd love to have you as a contributor on Fedora Magazine. Feel free to join the marketing team and submit an article any time.

Giuseppe joined fedora marketing last week, and he was interested in contributing to the magazine as well, so I made him an account there. Zacharias ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2014 16:15:21 -0400 From: croberts(a)croberts.org To: marketing(a)lists.fedoraproject.org; rsuehle(a)redhat.com Subject: Re: Fedora marketing is dead >> We'd love to have you as a contributor on Fedora Magazine. Feel free to join the marketing team and submit an article any time. We are getting quite a bit of traffic on the Fedora Magazine as I have passed the stats on to Matthew Miller. Especially since Fedora Magazine has made LWN with Matt's post about Fedora Next. Just on his post alone one day we had around 1200 visitors. Like Ruth said we would love to have more contributions to the Fedora Magazine. Here is a link on how to get started: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Magazine Thanks, Chris Roberts -- marketing mailing list marketing(a)lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing -- marketing mailing list marketing(a)lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing

Il giorno 25/mar/2014, alle ore 22:33, Giuseppe Pignataro <anubisteam01(a)gmail.com&gt; ha scritto: Hi Giannis and all the others, Thanks for yours contribution. I know that I have exaggerated on the title and on what I have writed. I understand your position and I think the marketing team have made a good work. But I believe that we need a little more to make difference. More marketing strategies are needed. I see marketing as a little "war". This is nothing about flame or by disapproving what good the marketing team have made. I like the same core values that you like of Fedora. But more people need to know this and spread the word. Il 25/mar/2014 22:11 "Giannis Konstantinidis" <giankonstantinidis(a)gmail.com&gt; ha scritto: > Hi Guiseppe, > with all due respect, I think you're exaggerating a lot. There's no need to start "a war" against another project. There's no need to prove why Fedora is better than the x or y distro. We all promote the core values of free and open source software and it's always so nice to collaborate with other projects. > > When people claim that they think the x or y distro is better than Fedora, try to focus on the strengths of Fedora instead of opening a flame war. Some things for example that make me a proud Fedora contributor are the 4 Foundations, with their deep meaning. So a few ideas to speak the good word about Fedora are: > - The fact that Fedora has one of the biggest and best communities out there > - Fedora respects the users' freedom, thus it ships with only free software by default > - Fedora is always innovative and trying to be ahead of other projects (in a good way) > - Fedora is upstream, so stuff that you see for the first time in Fedora are shared with other projects > And trust me, out of experience, facts like these will get their attention and they will think again about it. > And in the end, everyone is free to choose whatever distro they wish, we're doing our best to spread the love about our project and get as many users/contributors as possible, but it's obvious that not everyone can be turned into a Fedora user/contributor. > > As far as the magazine goes, there's no absolute reason to start posting installation guides and stuff like that, you can find stuff like these on the official documentation or even on Youtube. > > And by the way, I'm not a member of the marketing team, I'm and ambassador who's just reading the fedora marketing mailing list and this caught my attention. And from a third person observer perspective, I think that the marketing team is doing very good work in aiding to the promotion of the Fedora Project in general. > > Again, we're taking part in no battle, there's no war out there and we're not losing anything. I personally think there's nothing wrong with Fedora or with its community so far and I like the way it is. :) > > ~giannisk > > > >> On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 11:08 PM, Zacharias Mitzelos <zacharias.mitzelos(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: >> Giuseppe joined fedora marketing last week, and he was interested in contributing to the magazine as well, so I made him an account there. >> >> Zacharias >> >> >> Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2014 16:15:21 -0400 >> From: croberts(a)croberts.org >> To: marketing(a)lists.fedoraproject.org; rsuehle(a)redhat.com >> Subject: Re: Fedora marketing is dead >> >> >> >> We'd love to have you as a contributor on Fedora Magazine. Feel free to join the marketing team and submit an article any time. >> >> We are getting quite a bit of traffic on the Fedora Magazine as I have passed the stats on to Matthew Miller. Especially since Fedora Magazine has made LWN with Matt's post about Fedora Next. Just on his post alone one day we had around 1200 visitors. Like Ruth said we would love to have more contributions to the Fedora Magazine. >> >> Here is a link on how to get started: >> >> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Magazine >> >> Thanks, >> >> Chris Roberts >> >> -- marketing mailing list marketing(a)lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing >> >> -- >> marketing mailing list >> marketing(a)lists.fedoraproject.org >> https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing > > > > -- > Giannis Konstantinidis > > giannis(a)konstantinidis.cc > http://konstantinidis.cc > giannisk on irc.freenode.net > > -- > marketing mailing list > marketing(a)lists.fedoraproject.org > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing -- marketing mailing list marketing(a)lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing

Il giorno 25/mar/2014, alle ore 23:23, Giuseppe Pignataro <anubisteam01(a)gmail.com&gt; ha scritto: Hi Gabriele, I respect the work made by the team. My idea was not to offend the hard work made by the team. I have made the title a "little" flame because I believe we have more to do. We need to be more viral, it's my opinion. We need more "normal" user and not only the people that go to the FOSS or Computer events. Il giorno mar, 25/03/2014 alle 22.54 +0100, Mailga ha scritto: > Hello Giuseppe, > I'm following this topic with interest thinking about your words. > > > I'm an ambassador and I completely agree with Giannis. > > > I worked a bit with Mitzie, Chris and Joe, talkin' with them and Ruth > in the meetings and I can say that they are open minded. > So I mean is that the magazine is not the only working way into the > team. Yes, it's important but there's a lot of other areas to work. > I understand what you're referring to and if you think there's > something you wanna change or make it better just work on all the > marketing things; everything can be changed from the inside. > Marketing people is doing a great and hard work, please respect this > fact. > > > Hope to see you soon. > > ___________________________ > Gabriele Trombini > Fedora Ambassador > FedoraOnLine staff member -- marketing mailing list marketing(a)lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing

Hi malga, Marketing have to port people to know the distro. And the

to speak about the philosophy and the idea of Fedora. An ambassador can contacting few people. Marketing with the

Web can contact million of people.

The ambassadors are making a good work, but the problem is that

only on event that are dedicated to linux or directly to software. My sister don't go to a Foss. But she have a PC. What we have to do with that people? We have to ignore them? This isn't a good marketing strategy.

> In my mind we need this steps: What this list actually could use, as has been alluded to, would be

people who say "I will do this" instead of "somebody should do this."

is what would help Fedora.

Hi Guiseppe, with all due respect, I think you're exaggerating a lot. There's no need to start "a war" against another project. There's no need to prove why Fedora is better than the x or y distro. We all promote the core values of free and open source software and it's always so nice to collaborate with other projects.

Ok folks now I have your attention. We have to start to make some noise about Fedora. We don't have the basics things,that are the minimum to start. First, no official page on social network. This isn't a good thing. I have tried to search fedora on Facebook and this https://www.facebook.com/pages/Fedora-informatica/655798371147619 and this https://www.facebook.com/pages/Fedora-Project/103128663061181 are the only things that came out. We need an official facebook page,have you seen the ubuntu page on facebook https://www.facebook.com/ubuntulinux 978k people liked that page. This can be first part of the war. Google+ and all the other social can have the official page and the official account. We need to start to make war at ubuntu, on the web there are 1000 about Ubuntu vs 10 about fedora.(The number isn't really this but it's to give you an idea.) We have to change the way that people see fedora. When I speak with someone that are new to Linux world they say me that "Ubuntu is simple". Ubuntu is a distro for users and if they now fedora they say me that fedora is for engineer or for people that really know Linux. We have to change this idea. We can start with writing article about configuring this or how to install this, and how to trying this other on the fedora magazine firstly. The problem, as I can see,is that the Fedora community is to close in himself. If we can't change this we are out of the game. -- marketing mailing list marketing(a)lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing