Hi,
I was wondering how to find out the package that provides the font called "Fixed 16" in Fedora 22. The font existed in Fedora 21. Installing the same packages in F22 that were in F21 has made this font disappear (actually, I fedup-ed and nothing font-related that I can tell was dropped or obsoleted.)
Many thanks, Ranjan
On Sat, 30 May 2015 00:14:56 -0500 Ranjan Maitra maitra.mbox.ignored@inbox.com wrote:
Hi,
I was wondering how to find out the package that provides the font called "Fixed 16" in Fedora 22. The font existed in Fedora 21. Installing the same packages in F22 that were in F21 has made this font disappear (actually, I fedup-ed and nothing font-related that I can tell was dropped or obsoleted.)
I have oodles of fonts installed. I searched for a font called 'Fixed 16' and did not find it.
I suspect that you are seeing this name in an interface, and that it is a generic name rather than the actual name of the font. If you still have a system where this font is installed, do a find on that system under /usr. Something like find /usr -iname '*font*' | less should bring up every font file on the system. Within the less page do a search on 16. That will show you every 16 pixel? / kern? font. One of those will probably be the font you are looking for.
Then do a rpm -qf [path to font]/[font name] to find the package it belongs to.
Failing that approach, what is the application that uses this font? Look in the source and configuration for that application to see which font it is actually using, behind the scenes.
This must be an exceptional font for you to trouble yourself over it to such an extent. I find the terminus fonts to have the same characteristic. They are wonderful fonts, and the care that went into crafting them shows in their presentation. Perhaps they might substitute.
terminus-fonts terminus-fonts-console
On 05/30/2015 06:01 AM, stan wrote:
find /usr -iname '*font*' | less should bring up every font file on the system. Within the less page do a search on 16. That will show you every 16 pixel? / kern? font. One of those will probably be the font you are looking for.
find /usr -iame '*font8' | grep 16
does it in one line.
On 05/30/2015 02:45 PM, Joe Zeff wrote:
find /usr -iame '*font8' | grep 16
find /usr -name '*font*' | grep 16
works even better! B^)
Hi,
Hi,
I was wondering how to find out the package that provides the font called "Fixed 16" in Fedora 22. The font existed in Fedora 21. Installing the same packages in F22 that were in F21 has made this font disappear (actually, I fedup-ed and nothing font-related that I can tell was dropped or obsoleted.)
I have oodles of fonts installed. I searched for a font called 'Fixed 16' and did not find it.
I suspect that you are seeing this name in an interface, and that it is a generic name rather than the actual name of the font. If you still have a system where this font is installed, do a find on that system under /usr. Something like find /usr -iname '*font*' | less should bring up every font file on the system. Within the less page do a search on 16. That will show you every 16 pixel? / kern? font. One of those will probably be the font you are looking for.
Then do a rpm -qf [path to font]/[font name] to find the package it belongs to.
Failing that approach, what is the application that uses this font? Look in the source and configuration for that application to see which font it is actually using, behind the scenes.
It appears to me that the font that I want is actually installed. When I do xterm -fn 10x20, I get the font. (xterm is from where I became aware of this font in the first place.) However, in sylpheed, I do not know how to call this font. I have previously used Fixed 16 to refer to this font but it does not seem to work (it gives some other font). Is this a gtk update/packaging issue?
Many thanks, Ranjan
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On Sat, 6 Jun 2015 09:37:45 -0800 Ranjan Maitra maitra.mbox.ignored@inbox.com wrote:
It appears to me that the font that I want is actually installed. When I do xterm -fn 10x20, I get the font. (xterm is from where I became aware of this font in the first place.) However, in sylpheed, I do not know how to call this font. I have previously used Fixed 16 to refer to this font but it does not seem to work (it gives some other font). Is this a gtk update/packaging issue?
When I do a edit->profile preferences in an xterm, I can then select custom font in the general tab. If I click in the font box, all the available fonts come up. In that list is a font called Fixed Regular. Is that the font? There is a slider at the bottom of the font selection window that allows for the selection of font size. You should be able to adjust that to 16, if it is available in that size.
The default seems to be monospace courier.
In fonts, *fixed* is often a synonym for bitmapped, as opposed to vector fonts, where the shape is expressed as algorithms, and thus scales with size. So, fixed is an adjective, not a noun; there are lots of fixed fonts, meaning the positions of the bits that create the shape are absolute, and restricted to only that size. Resizing a fixed font creates jagged edges because the shape is resized as a block. Like zooming in on a jpg or png.
Hi,
Thanks again!!
When I do a edit->profile preferences in an xterm, I can then select custom font in the general tab.
I wonder if we are discussing different "xterm" applications.
So, when you say that you do an edit->profile preferences in an xterm, are you also talking of the xterm application, obtained using "dnf install xterm"? (Because I do not get such an edit profile preferences there). What I get, upon a click of the third right mouse button with ctrl pressed is a bunch of options, one of which is Huge. This is equivalent to xterm -fn 10x20.
On sylpheed in Edit Preferences, that font used to correspond to Fixed 16. However, while this is still set from my preferences, it no longer gives me the font I am talking about (the same as using xterm -fn 10x20). It did so, all the way up at least from pre-Fedora (RH8 or something) to Fedora 21.
If I click in the font box, all the available fonts come up. In that list is a font called Fixed Regular. Is that the font? There is a slider at the bottom of the font selection window that allows for the selection of font size. You should be able to adjust that to 16, if it is available in that size.
The default seems to be monospace courier.
In fonts, *fixed* is often a synonym for bitmapped, as opposed to vector fonts, where the shape is expressed as algorithms, and thus scales with size. So, fixed is an adjective, not a noun; there are lots of fixed fonts, meaning the positions of the bits that create the shape are absolute, and restricted to only that size. Resizing a fixed font creates jagged edges because the shape is resized as a block. Like zooming in on a jpg or png.
I see. Thanks again! I like the fixed fonts because they are all aligned from one line to the other. This really helps (me) in programming and writing documents and e-mails. Within the fixed, this 10x20 is my favorite because it is large while also looking compact. Therefore, I would like this back if at all possible.
Best wishes, Ranjan
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On Sun, 7 Jun 2015 09:51:22 -0500 Ranjan Maitra maitra.mbox.ignored@inbox.com wrote:
I wonder if we are discussing different "xterm" applications.
So, when you say that you do an edit->profile preferences in an xterm, are you also talking of the xterm application, obtained using "dnf install xterm"? (Because I do not get such an edit profile preferences there). What I get, upon a click of the third right mouse button with ctrl pressed is a bunch of options, one of which is Huge. This is equivalent to xterm -fn 10x20.
From within an xterm, running in X $ rpm -qi xterm Name : xterm Version : 308 Release : 3.fc21 Architecture: x86_64
I have an icon on the desktop that starts it with double click.
On sylpheed in Edit Preferences, that font used to correspond to Fixed 16. However, while this is still set from my preferences, it no longer gives me the font I am talking about (the same as using xterm -fn 10x20). It did so, all the way up at least from pre-Fedora (RH8 or something) to Fedora 21.
I use claws, an offshoot of sylpheed, and I can find the same Fixed Regular font available there, with the same ability to set the size.
I see. Thanks again! I like the fixed fonts because they are all aligned from one line to the other. This really helps (me) in programming and writing documents and e-mails. Within the fixed, this 10x20 is my favorite because it is large while also looking compact. Therefore, I would like this back if at all possible.
If no scaling is required, and the bit density is high enough, and the screen bit density matches the font bit density, say 100 dpi, then fixed fonts will be clearer than vectorized fonts, because they are customized for that exact use case. The difference between an off the rack suit, and a custom tailored suit.
Hi,
Thanks again!
On Sun, 7 Jun 2015 08:43:38 -0700 stan stanl-fedorauser@vfemail.net wrote:
On Sun, 7 Jun 2015 09:51:22 -0500 Ranjan Maitra maitra.mbox.ignored@inbox.com wrote:
I wonder if we are discussing different "xterm" applications.
So, when you say that you do an edit->profile preferences in an xterm, are you also talking of the xterm application, obtained using "dnf install xterm"? (Because I do not get such an edit profile preferences there). What I get, upon a click of the third right mouse button with ctrl pressed is a bunch of options, one of which is Huge. This is equivalent to xterm -fn 10x20.
From within an xterm, running in X $ rpm -qi xterm Name : xterm Version : 308 Release : 3.fc21 Architecture: x86_64
I have an icon on the desktop that starts it with double click.
Interesting that you have this option (to set preferences graphically). When I called the xterm fom the commandline, I get no such interface.
On sylpheed in Edit Preferences, that font used to correspond to Fixed 16. However, while this is still set from my preferences, it no longer gives me the font I am talking about (the same as using xterm -fn 10x20). It did so, all the way up at least from pre-Fedora (RH8 or something) to Fedora 21.
I use claws, an offshoot of sylpheed, and I can find the same Fixed Regular font available there, with the same ability to set the size.
Sorry, I should have been clearer. I have the availability but for Fixed->Regular->16, but with that combinationunder regular, I no longer get what it used to be (which was the same font as for xterm -fn 10x20) but a different font. (Is this a gtk-2/3 issue? I seem to think that sylpheed and claws-mail also is a gtk2 application).
If no scaling is required, and the bit density is high enough, and the screen bit density matches the font bit density, say 100 dpi, then fixed fonts will be clearer than vectorized fonts, because they are customized for that exact use case. The difference between an off the rack suit, and a custom tailored suit.
Agreed! :-) I spent time ages ago to get a good rack suit, or so I thought, and since that has always worked, I decided not to bother with more changes. But I wonder if the manufacturer has gone out of business or has a new distributor, since xterm is still able to pull in that font:-) I still am trying to locate the distributor.
Thanks again for all the help!!
Best wishes, Ranjan
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On Sun, 7 Jun 2015 11:03:24 -0500 Ranjan Maitra maitra.mbox.ignored@inbox.com wrote:
Interesting that you have this option (to set preferences graphically). When I called the xterm fom the commandline, I get no such interface.
I tried it, and neither do I. It's like it's a different application. Maybe the font is hard baked in to that version. i.e. it's the minimalist version, with hard coded configuration.
Sorry, I should have been clearer. I have the availability but for Fixed->Regular->16, but with that combinationunder regular, I no longer get what it used to be (which was the same font as for xterm -fn 10x20) but a different font. (Is this a gtk-2/3 issue? I seem to think that sylpheed and claws-mail also is a gtk2 application).
I don't *think* this is a gtk2 / gtk3 issue. The developers probably switched the font they associate with Fixed Regular. You could ask on their list.
Thank you very much!
Sorry, I should have been clearer. I have the availability but for Fixed->Regular->16, but with that combinationunder regular, I no longer get what it used to be (which was the same font as for xterm -fn 10x20) but a different font. (Is this a gtk-2/3 issue? I seem to think that sylpheed and claws-mail also is a gtk2 application).
I don't *think* this is a gtk2 / gtk3 issue. The developers probably switched the font they associate with Fixed Regular. You could ask on their list.
So, which list would this be? I don't think that this is a sylpheed issue, because nothing has changed there for months. And the font still works on a F21 installation for sylpheed with exactly the same version as F22.
F21: $ rpm -q sylpheed sylpheed-3.4.2-2.fc21.x86_64
F22: $ rpm -q sylpheed sylpheed-3.4.2-2.fc22.x86_64
Many thanks again and best wishes, Ranjan
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On Sun, 7 Jun 2015 13:55:30 -0500 Ranjan Maitra maitra.mbox.ignored@inbox.com wrote:
So, which list would this be? I don't think that this is a sylpheed issue, because nothing has changed there for months. And the font still works on a F21 installation for sylpheed with exactly the same version as F22.
F21: $ rpm -q sylpheed sylpheed-3.4.2-2.fc21.x86_64
F22: $ rpm -q sylpheed sylpheed-3.4.2-2.fc22.x86_64
You're right, it shouldn't be a sylpheed issue. So, it must mean that the font that they are calling Fixed Regular 16 changed in Fedora between F21 and F22. You could look at the src.rpm for sylpheed to see what that font is called by them. That is, what font is selected by sylpheed in the code, when the user selects Fixed Regular 16 as a preference? It must be the same in both F21 and F22, but different under the same name in whatever guise Fedora has it.
Once you have the name, you can find the package. Once you have the package, you can look at the change history. Or compare the font files between F21 and F22. You can even build an F22 rpm from the F21 font src.rpm using rpmbuild in F22, and install it. You might have to tweak the version somewhat, so it is higher than that in the repositories. Or the upstream developer of the font might provide a tar package you can install in /usr/local.
But you have to know the font's real name.
On Sun, 7 Jun 2015 13:55:30 -0500 Ranjan Maitra maitra.mbox.ignored@inbox.com wrote:
So, which list would this be? I don't think that this is a sylpheed issue, because nothing has changed there for months. And the font still works on a F21 installation for sylpheed with exactly the same version as F22.
I did a man xterm, and turned up the following:
"Most of the xterm options are actually parsed by the X Toolkit, which sets resource values. Xterm provides the X Toolkit with a table of options. A few of these are marked, telling the X Toolkit to ignore them (-help, -version, -class, -e, and -into). After the X Toolkit has parsed the command-line parameters, it removes those which it handles, leaving the specially-marked parameters for xterm to handle."
"-fn font This option specifies the font to be used for displaying normal text. The corresponding resource name is font. The resource value default is fixed."
So, in all likelihood, the font named fixed is set by X. That probably means the X definition of fixed changed between F21 and F22. Since X is undergoing major construction because of wayland, that might make sense.
This also could explain why the command line version is so minimal - xterm gets no options. In the gui version, there are probably default X options that add all the gui goodies.
On Sun, 7 Jun 2015 15:00:48 -0700 stan stanl-fedorauser@vfemail.net wrote:
On Sun, 7 Jun 2015 13:55:30 -0500 Ranjan Maitra maitra.mbox.ignored@inbox.com wrote:
So, which list would this be? I don't think that this is a sylpheed issue, because nothing has changed there for months. And the font still works on a F21 installation for sylpheed with exactly the same version as F22.
I did a man xterm, and turned up the following:
"Most of the xterm options are actually parsed by the X Toolkit, which sets resource values. Xterm provides the X Toolkit with a table of options. A few of these are marked, telling the X Toolkit to ignore them (-help, -version, -class, -e, and -into). After the X Toolkit has parsed the command-line parameters, it removes those which it handles, leaving the specially-marked parameters for xterm to handle."
"-fn font This option specifies the font to be used for displaying normal text. The corresponding resource name is font. The resource value default is fixed."
So, in all likelihood, the font named fixed is set by X. That probably means the X definition of fixed changed between F21 and F22. Since X is undergoing major construction because of wayland, that might make sense.
This also could explain why the command line version is so minimal - xterm gets no options. In the gui version, there are probably default X options that add all the gui goodies.
Thank you very much!! But, an update from the repos today (I am set up by cron to do an update every night) fixed it. So there was something missing which has now come in and I am back to being a happy camper (as far as fonts go). I have to say that so far I have not had any negative experience with F22 (but then I do run a very mininalistic distribution).
Thanks again for all you help and explanattions!!
Best wishes, Ranjan
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On Sun, 7 Jun 2015 23:16:51 -0500 Ranjan Maitra maitra.mbox.ignored@inbox.com wrote:
Thank you very much!! But, an update from the repos today (I am set up by cron to do an update every night) fixed it. So there was something missing which has now come in and I am back to being a happy camper (as far as fonts go). I have to say that so far I have not had any negative experience with F22 (but then I do run a very mininalistic distribution).
All's well that ends well. :-)
Allegedly, on or about 07 June 2015, Ranjan Maitra sent:
I like the fixed fonts because they are all aligned from one line to the other.
In that case, you're referring to a monospaced type of font "fixing" (where all characters have the same fixed-width), rather than it necessarily being a bitmap font (it may be, but doesn't have to be). Many of those fonts have "mono" in their name, or in one of their family variation choices (e.g. normal, bold, mono, italics).
There's quite a few fonts that have that feature. You might also want to look for some programmer's fonts, they provide that function, as well as clear distinction between 0O1lI| characters.
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