Re: hidden GRUB menu -> Re: Suspension problem last 2 days
by Reindl Harald
Am 22.09.2013 18:00, schrieb drago01:
> On Sun, Sep 22, 2013 at 5:41 PM, Reindl Harald <h.reindl(a)thelounge.net> wrote:
>> Am 22.09.2013 17:36, schrieb drago01:
>>> On Sun, Sep 22, 2013 at 3:21 AM, Reindl Harald <h.reindl(a)thelounge.net> wrote:
>>>> Am 22.09.2013 02:52, schrieb Ed Greshko:
>>>>> On 09/22/13 08:39, Timothy Murphy wrote:
>>>>>> Ed Greshko wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I've been having a problem on my Thinkpad T61 for the last 2 days.
>>>>>>>> In fact since "yum update" installed kernel-PAE-3.11.1-200.fc19.i686,
>>>>>>>> though that is probably a coincidence.
>>>>>>> Would it be possible to boot into the previous kernel to verify if it is a
>>>>>>> coincidence?
>>>>>> I'm afraid I'm not sure how to do that.
>>>>>> I'd be happy to try if someone could suggest the way.
>>>>>
>>>>> When you boot your system, don't you have a menu to select up to 3 kernels?
>>>>
>>>> and that is why i cried on @devel about the idea to hide the GRUB menu as default
>>>
>>> Err you know that we do *not* hide the grub menu in F19?
>>
>> no - because i do not care about Fedora defaults in many cases for my machines
>
> You seem to care enough to write mails about it.
yes, becuase i am not that asshole some think and care about others
i wish the future users have the same chance to learn things as i had
in the past
>>> If anything you have just proven that just because the menu is shown
>>> people will not automatically know what the options there mean.
>>
>> no - it is proven that even if it is there it's hard to understand
>> hide it does not make this better
>
> Showing an option that people do not understand does not solve anything.
then *explain* the menu instead hide it
>>> So can you stop "crying about the idea to hide the GRUB menu as(by)
>>> default" now?
>>
>> no, simply because if it is hard to move the cursor down in a
>> already displayed menu for some users you can be sure that they
>> never have a chance to learn about the existing older kernel
>> by hide it
>
> You should not have to learn what a kernel is to be able to use your computer
this makes no sense
why do you have to learn it?
because there is a menu giving you options?
does this menu *force* someobody to learn?
how would it be able to demand anything from a user?
> I am pretty sure you disagree here but we should just agree to
> disagree instead of having a useless "discussion".
if Fedora Core would have had the same attitude than today i would
never have switched to Linux completly - this boot option where
people say nobody needs to see it saved my first machine and a lot
of time for me because it did not boot after a kernel update and
so i took the only working thing: a menu at begin
i agree in a perfect world you would not need it
but this perfect world doe snot exist
but you are not in the position than *anybody* else to guarantee
that a kernel update will never have regresions, not now and not
in the future
>> if the affected machine is their only one they also have
>> no chance to ask for help and are lost
>>
>> P.S.:
>> do not give thunderbird a negative karma because some extension
>> is not updated / rebuilt, file a bugreport for the extension!
>
> OT but no. If an update introduces broken deps it should not be pushed
> until they are resolved.
> Giving negative karma here is common practice
not common, bad practice at least in that case
10 years, 7 months
Re: Ananconda on 19
by Reindl Harald
Am 21.09.2013 17:10, schrieb Phil Dobbin:
> On 09/21/2013 03:55 PM, Reindl Harald wrote:
>>
>> Am 21.09.2013 16:35, schrieb poma:
>>> On 21.09.2013 15:57, Phil Dobbin wrote:
>>>> Hi, all.
>>>>
>>>> I've just tried to install Fedora 19 over the top of CentOS I.(e.
>>>> erasing Centos) & I can't figure out how to do it. There's no option for
>>>> erase & install as with other distros.
>>>>
>>>> Could anybody point me in the right direction?
>>>>
>>>> Cheers, Phil...
>>>
>>> Can you point us in the right direction? :)
>>> It's not so clear what and with what you want to do install
>>
>> what is not clear in "Anaconda"?
>> it's the Fedora installer
>>
>> well, with F18 the whole thing was rewritten and hase a
>> complete different UI - look on the whole screen for
>> possible switches to display extended options
>>
>> there is for sure somewhere manual partitioning
>>
>> luckily never faced Anaconda past F14 - god save yum upgrades
>>
>
> Most of the manual options are greyed out & are pretty useless
AFAIK you need to answer a few questions in the installer to
get different options enabled - no idea what all the developers
talking about modern human interfaces are smoking
> I suppose I could re-install 17 & upgrade via yum to 18 then 19
> from there but it's a hell of way to do things IMO
would be a solution
> I suppose the netinstall is the way to go...
you can also make a minimal install with the DVD and so following dist-upgrades
with yum are tiny and fast - i had to do this somewhere around F17 because
the F17 installer insisted in GPT crap and di not allow me to manually
specify teh 3 RAID paritions i wanted - after it was solved i found somewhere
the kernel-param to disable the GPT nonsense nobody needs on 1 TB drives
if you completly want to delete the existing CentOS boot the LiveCD and
opena tmerinal "su -" -> "yum install gparted" -> make the partitioning
at your own - i am working this way for more than 10 years because i
never trusted *nay* os-installer enough to play around with my
partitions except on blank machines
10 years, 7 months
Re: hidden GRUB menu -> Re: Suspension problem last 2 days
by Reindl Harald
Am 22.09.2013 18:30, schrieb Jan Kratochvil:
> On Sun, 22 Sep 2013 18:24:45 +0200, Reindl Harald wrote:
>> Am 22.09.2013 18:13, schrieb Jan Kratochvil:
>>> My grandfather still believes those are multiple _different_ Fedora
>>> installations, each having different games/files. As he has also CentOS menu
>>> item there having multiple Fedora items is just too much for him.
>>
>> explain it to him
>
> I have tried many times for many years but he still insists on it.
>
>
>> * because i saw the menu from the very first beginning
>> * because doing nothing the next boot-step after that menu failed
>> * so what did i: look waht happens if i chosse something other from the menu
>
> There is never a perfect solution, everything has its pros and cons.
yes and the chance having a unbootable system has more cons
> So it could wait for 5 secs, just displaying a message "Hit SHIFT to display
> a boot menu.". That hopefully should not confuse users while it would still
> help you to solve your problem
place a descriptive text *above* the menu and display it as default would
be the best one, but i guess pragmatic solutions edcuating users are not
the ones developers these days perfer
wondering from which tress in 10 years the advanced users will fall if
all advanced options are more and more hidden beause the could confuse
somebody............
10 years, 7 months
Re: hidden GRUB menu -> Re: Suspension problem last 2 days
by Reindl Harald
Am 22.09.2013 18:13, schrieb Jan Kratochvil:
> On Sun, 22 Sep 2013 03:21:32 +0200, Reindl Harald wrote:
>> now we have exactly what i said will happen: users in trouble does not know how to
>> boot the still installed older kernel because they never learned that there are
>> more than one because they never faced it as all the years before
>
> My grandfather still believes those are multiple _different_ Fedora
> installations, each having different games/files. As he has also CentOS menu
> item there having multiple Fedora items is just too much for him.
explain it to him
> A proper fix would need to be more thorough as in the case of multiple
> different OSes installed you should always get the menu choice:
>
> * Always present only the latest kernel there,
> hide all older kernels under the menu item "Advanced options for Fedora".
>
> * Do not display the menu if there is only one option available.
> (Sure not counting the "Advanced options for Fedora" menu item.)
> Sure still the menu gets displayed on holding the SHIFT/ARROW key.
>
> Failed boot of a new kernel is a rare case needing assistance of someone more
> capable of admin work. Such person knows how to display the menu
says who?
* as i faced the first unbootable system after a kernel update it was Fedora Core 3
* i had no big Fedora expierience at this time
* i did not need assistance of someone more capable of admin work
why?
* because i saw the menu from the very first beginning
* because doing nothing the next boot-step after that menu failed
* so what did i: look waht happens if i chosse something other from the menu
10 years, 7 months
Re: hidden GRUB menu -> Re: Suspension problem last 2 days
by Reindl Harald
Am 22.09.2013 17:36, schrieb drago01:
> On Sun, Sep 22, 2013 at 3:21 AM, Reindl Harald <h.reindl(a)thelounge.net> wrote:
>> Am 22.09.2013 02:52, schrieb Ed Greshko:
>>> On 09/22/13 08:39, Timothy Murphy wrote:
>>>> Ed Greshko wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> I've been having a problem on my Thinkpad T61 for the last 2 days.
>>>>>> In fact since "yum update" installed kernel-PAE-3.11.1-200.fc19.i686,
>>>>>> though that is probably a coincidence.
>>>>> Would it be possible to boot into the previous kernel to verify if it is a
>>>>> coincidence?
>>>> I'm afraid I'm not sure how to do that.
>>>> I'd be happy to try if someone could suggest the way.
>>>
>>> When you boot your system, don't you have a menu to select up to 3 kernels?
>>
>> and that is why i cried on @devel about the idea to hide the GRUB menu as default
>
> Err you know that we do *not* hide the grub menu in F19?
no - because i do not care about Fedora defaults in many cases for my machines
> If anything you have just proven that just because the menu is shown
> people will not automatically know what the options there mean.
no - it is proven that even if it is there it's hard to understand
hide it does not make this better
> So can you stop "crying about the idea to hide the GRUB menu as(by)
> default" now?
no, simply because if it is hard to move the cursor down in a
already displayed menu for some users you can be sure that they
never have a chance to learn about the existing older kernel
by hide it
if the affected machine is their only one they also have
no chance to ask for help and are lost
P.S.:
do not give thunderbird a negative karma because some extension
is not updated / rebuilt, file a bugreport for the extension!
10 years, 7 months
not been configured -
by Bob Goodwin
After an update I noticed the following and wonder if it has any bearing
on this computer's inability to print crosswords from Firefox. The print
GUI menu comes up but is grayed (printing works normally from other
app's) ... Seamonkey and Midori do print them.
.................... snip ...
Cleanup : mesa-libGL-9.2-1.20130902.fc19 47/62
Cleanup : mesa-libGLES-9.2-1.20130902.fc19.x86_64 48/62
Cleanup : mesa-dri-drivers-9.2-1.20130902.fc19.x86_64 49/62
Cleanup : 1:java-1.7.0-openjdk-devel-1.7.0.60-2.4.2.1.fc19.x86_64
50/62
/usr/lib/jvm/java-1.7.0-openjdk-1.7.0.60-2.4.2.1.fc19.x86_64/bin/javac
has not been configured as an alternative for javac
/usr/lib/jvm/java-1.7.0-openjdk-1.7.0.60-2.4.2.1.fc19.x86_64 has not
been configured as an alternative for java_sdk_openjdk
/usr/lib/jvm/java-1.7.0-openjdk-1.7.0.60-2.4.2.1.fc19.x86_64 has not
been configured as an alternative for java_sdk_1.7.0
Cleanup : mesa-filesystem-9.2-1.20130902.fc19.x86_64 51/62
Cleanup : mesa-libglapi-9.2-1.20130902.fc19 52/62
Cleanup : systemd-libs-204-11.fc19 53/62
Cleanup : 1:java-1.7.0-openjdk-1.7.0.60-2.4.2.1.fc19.x86_64 54/62
/usr/lib/jvm/java-1.7.0-openjdk-1.7.0.60-2.4.2.1.fc19.x86_64/jre/bin/java has
not been configured as an alternative for java
/usr/lib/jvm/java-1.7.0-openjdk-1.7.0.60-2.4.2.1.fc19.x86_64/jre has not
been configured as an alternative for jre_openjdk
/usr/lib/jvm/java-1.7.0-openjdk-1.7.0.60-2.4.2.1.fc19.x86_64/jre has not
been configured as an alternative for jre_1.7.0
Cleanup : mesa-libglapi-9.2-1.20130902.fc19
..................... snip .....
A minor problem but an annoyance.
Bob
--
http://www.qrz.com/db/W2BOD
box10 Fedora-19 Linux/XFCE
10 years, 7 months
Make mplayer default on GNOME 3
by Jorge Fábregas
Hello everyone,
Where can I set the default application for video files in Fedora 19
(GNOME Shell)? I want to make mplayer (command line version) the
default. So far I've tried:
- right clicking the video file --> Open With ...but mplayer is not
listed there
- Settings --> Details --> Default Applications --> Video ...but I only
see "Videos" listed (wonderful name for Totem).
- Created .desktop file in $HOME/.local/share/applications but still
can't make it work.
Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks,
Jorge
10 years, 7 months
Ananconda on 19
by Phil Dobbin
Hi, all.
I've just tried to install Fedora 19 over the top of CentOS I.(e.
erasing Centos) & I can't figure out how to do it. There's no option for
erase & install as with other distros.
Could anybody point me in the right direction?
Cheers, Phil...
10 years, 7 months
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I cannot seem to to recall the package name,
but basically it reorganizes the Applications
drop-down menus in such a thoughtful and
space saving way. For examples in the Games
menu, applications related to "Cards" would be
placed in this category, "Board Games" into
this category, "Action Games" into this category
and so on.
Does anyone remember what the name of the
RPM package that did menu the reorganizing?
Kind regards!
Dan
10 years, 7 months
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