8:04 a.m.
After about 12 years of service my GPU card is starting
to act up. It seems to shut down so no video on my
monitor, even the virtual consoles. System is up and
functioning as I can access it via ssh. Sometimes this
state is accompanied by the fan running at high speed
though the card is not overheating.
The old card uses nvidia's 470 series of drivers while
its replacement will use the 525 series.
Can I pre-install the 525 packages so they are present
when I reboot after I install the new hardware? I.e.
can both series be installed without consequence?
Thanks,
jon
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9:20 a.m.
New subject: Switching nvidia GPU cards - can multiple driver versions
co-exist?
On Mon, 13 Feb 2023 09:04:39 -0500
Jon LaBadie <jonfu(a)jgcomp.com> wrote:
Can I pre-install the 525 packages so they are present
when I reboot after I install the new hardware? I.e.
can both series be installed without consequence?
I don't have an nvidia card, but while I think this is theoretically
possible (I have both radeo and amdgpu installed in my kernel modules),
I don't think it works in actual practice for nvidia. This is really a
question for the rpmfusion user mailing list who package these drivers,
or nvidia itself. You might find the answer in faqs at the nvidia site
when they talk about installing their binary drivers.
9:27 a.m.
If the new card is supported with the 470 driver then I would replace
the card while the 470 driver is running.
Then do the upgrade.
Both drivers have the same name so you will not be able to have both
installed and built in /lib/modules at the same time.
On Mon, Feb 13, 2023 at 8:05 AM Jon LaBadie <jonfu(a)jgcomp.com> wrote:
>
> After about 12 years of service my GPU card is starting
> to act up. It seems to shut down so no video on my
> monitor, even the virtual consoles. System is up and
> functioning as I can access it via ssh. Sometimes this
> state is accompanied by the fan running at high speed
> though the card is not overheating.
>
> The old card uses nvidia's 470 series of drivers while
> its replacement will use the 525 series.
>
> Can I pre-install the 525 packages so they are present
> when I reboot after I install the new hardware? I.e.
> can both series be installed without consequence?
>
> Thanks,
> jon
>
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11:05 a.m.
New subject: Switching nvidia GPU cards - can multiple driver versions
co-exist?
On Mon, Feb 13, 2023 at 09:27:40AM -0600, Roger Heflin wrote:
If the new card is supported with the 470 driver then I would replace
the card while the 470 driver is running.
Then do the upgrade.
Ahh, good thought. I only checked the recommended drivers for the card.
I didn't check the cards supported by the drivers.
Yes, the current driver I'm using, the 470 series does support both
the old and the new card models. The 525 series driver only supports
the new card.
Thanks for the suggestion.
Jon
Both drivers have the same name so you will not be able to have both
installed and built in /lib/modules at the same time.
On Mon, Feb 13, 2023 at 8:05 AM Jon LaBadie <jonfu(a)jgcomp.com> wrote:
>
> After about 12 years of service my GPU card is starting
> to act up. It seems to shut down so no video on my
> monitor, even the virtual consoles. System is up and
> functioning as I can access it via ssh. Sometimes this
> state is accompanied by the fan running at high speed
> though the card is not overheating.
>
> The old card uses nvidia's 470 series of drivers while
> its replacement will use the 525 series.
>
> Can I pre-install the 525 packages so they are present
> when I reboot after I install the new hardware? I.e.
> can both series be installed without consequence?
>
> Thanks,
> jon
>
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11:08 a.m.
New subject: Switching nvidia GPU cards - can multiple driver versions
co-exist?
On 13/02/2023 15:27, Roger Heflin wrote:
If the new card is supported with the 470 driver then I would
replace
the card while the 470 driver is running.
Then do the upgrade.
Both drivers have the same name so you will not be able to have both
installed and built in /lib/modules at the same time.
My /lib/modules/<kernel> has nvidia modules identified by
extra/nvidia-470xx/.... .XXX.ko.xz
so it should be able to make the distinction.
On Mon, Feb 13, 2023 at 8:05 AM Jon LaBadie <jonfu(a)jgcomp.com>
wrote:
>
> After about 12 years of service my GPU card is starting
> to act up. It seems to shut down so no video on my
> monitor, even the virtual consoles. System is up and
> functioning as I can access it via ssh. Sometimes this
> state is accompanied by the fan running at high speed
> though the card is not overheating.
>
> The old card uses nvidia's 470 series of drivers while
> its replacement will use the 525 series.
>
> Can I pre-install the 525 packages so they are present
> when I reboot after I install the new hardware? I.e.
> can both series be installed without consequence?
>
> Thanks,
> jon
>
> --
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4:32 p.m.
New subject: [RESULTS] Re: Switching nvidia GPU cards - can multiple driver
versions co-exist?
On Mon, Feb 13, 2023 at 09:27:40AM -0600, Roger Heflin wrote:
If the new card is supported with the 470 driver then I would replace
the card while the 470 driver is running.
Then do the upgrade.
As I noted earlier, Roger's suggestion did show the new
card was supported by both the old 470 and the 525 driver
though the 525 is preferred.
So I shutdown the system, did the annual dust removal,
and removed the old card -- learning that PCIe x16 slots
have a latch.
Inserted the new card -- decided how to handle the switch
from 2 6-pin power plugs to one 8-pin plug, and closed
things up.
Press the power switch - nothing. Turns out while
handling the case I flipped the rear panel switch -- whew!
System booted, graphics seem fine. Did a dnf update and
rebooted. Used dnf to remove all the 470 driver bits
including dependencies. I figured the in-use pieces would
continue functioning, just disappear from the directory
structure.
Then I added the 525 driver bits, the dependencies, and
rebooted. Took quite a while (for a system that normally
reboots quickly). I assume that was akmod building the driver.
But the system did come up, graphics again seem normal.
System temps dropped about 2 degrees though the new graphics
card runs a bit warmer, 37C vs 34C. Fan speed is lower,
probably due to the dual fans vs single fan on the old card.
So thanks for all your input. Swap was essentially painless.
Jon
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12:07 p.m.
On 13 Feb 2023, at 14:05, Jon LaBadie <jonfu(a)jgcomp.com>
wrote:
After about 12 years of service my GPU card is starting
to act up. It seems to shut down so no video on my
monitor, even the virtual consoles. System is up and
functioning as I can access it via ssh. Sometimes this
state is accompanied by the fan running at high speed
though the card is not overheating.
The old card uses nvidia's 470 series of drivers while
its replacement will use the 525 series.
Can I pre-install the 525 packages so they are present
when I reboot after I install the new hardware? I.e.
can both series be installed without consequence?
Given you have ssh access i would
remove the 470 drivers.
Power down
Install new card
Boot up and install new drivers via ssh.
You should also have console access without any driver installed I would guess.
Barry
Thanks,
jon
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8:40 p.m.
New subject: Switching nvidia GPU cards - can multiple driver versions
co-exist?
On Mon, 2023-02-13 at 09:04 -0500, Jon LaBadie wrote:
After about 12 years of service my GPU card is starting
to act up. It seems to shut down so no video on my
monitor, even the virtual consoles. System is up and
functioning as I can access it via ssh. Sometimes this
state is accompanied by the fan running at high speed
though the card is not overheating.
Re the "not overheating" are you judging by sensor readings, or have
you felt the card to see if it's hot?
I do general maintenance on my systems once or twice a year, cleaning
out the dust and fluff, reseating cards, sometimes replacing a fan.
Mind you, 12 years is a good service life in computing. And a bit
surprising that you might be able to fit a modern one onto the same old
board. Usually, technology changes make that difficult.
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12:06 a.m.
New subject: Switching nvidia GPU cards - can multiple driver versions
co-exist?
On Tue, Feb 14, 2023 at 01:10:25PM +1030, Tim via users wrote:
On Mon, 2023-02-13 at 09:04 -0500, Jon LaBadie wrote:
> After about 12 years of service my GPU card is starting
> to act up. It seems to shut down so no video on my
> monitor, even the virtual consoles. System is up and
> functioning as I can access it via ssh. Sometimes this
> state is accompanied by the fan running at high speed
> though the card is not overheating.
Re the "not overheating" are you judging by sensor readings, or have
you felt the card to see if it's hot?
from sensor readings via the nvidia-settings program. Once I suspected
the video card I logged the output at 20 min intervals hoping to see
the temps rise. Typically running in the low 30's (C) and reaching a
max of 44 degrees. Fan speed ranged from 1200-1320 rpm.
I do general maintenance on my systems once or twice a year, cleaning
out the dust and fluff, reseating cards, sometimes replacing a fan.
Plan to do the same when I swap video cards.
Mind you, 12 years is a good service life in computing. And a bit
surprising that you might be able to fit a modern one onto the same old
board. Usually, technology changes make that difficult.
True. My replacement, while unused, is not "current" but just a few
generations newer than the failing one. Installed is a 660TI and the
replacement is a 1660"super".
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3:37 a.m.
New subject: Switching nvidia GPU cards - can multiple driver versions
co-exist?
Tim:
> Re the "not overheating" are you judging by sensor
readings, or have
> you felt the card to see if it's hot?
Jon LaBadie:
from sensor readings via the nvidia-settings program. Once I
suspected
the video card I logged the output at 20 min intervals hoping to see
the temps rise. Typically running in the low 30's (C) and reaching a
max of 44 degrees. Fan speed ranged from 1200-1320 rpm.
It might well be worth opening it up and inspecting it. You could
just have a heatsinking problem (dried out compound, not firmly
attached, clogged fins).
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5:49 a.m.
Look at the capacitors also. The last couple of hw deaths I have all
had one or more bulging capacitors. The electrolytic caps are the one
component that are likely to eventually die.
On Tue, Feb 14, 2023 at 3:38 AM Tim via users
<users(a)lists.fedoraproject.org> wrote:
>
> Tim:
> >> Re the "not overheating" are you judging by sensor readings, or
have
> >> you felt the card to see if it's hot?
>
> Jon LaBadie:
> > from sensor readings via the nvidia-settings program. Once I suspected
> > the video card I logged the output at 20 min intervals hoping to see
> > the temps rise. Typically running in the low 30's (C) and reaching a
> > max of 44 degrees. Fan speed ranged from 1200-1320 rpm.
>
>
> It might well be worth opening it up and inspecting it. You could
> just have a heatsinking problem (dried out compound, not firmly
> attached, clogged fins).
>
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On Mon, Feb 13, 2023 at 10:40 PM Tim via users <
users(a)lists.fedoraproject.org> wrote:
On Mon, 2023-02-13 at 09:04 -0500, Jon LaBadie wrote:
> After about 12 years of service my GPU card is starting
> to act up. It seems to shut down so no video on my
> monitor, even the virtual consoles. System is up and
> functioning as I can access it via ssh. Sometimes this
> state is accompanied by the fan running at high speed
> though the card is not overheating.
Re the "not overheating" are you judging by sensor readings, or have
you felt the card to see if it's hot?
I do general maintenance on my systems once or twice a year, cleaning
out the dust and fluff, reseating cards, sometimes replacing a fan.
Also check for bulging electrolytic capacitors (the larger cylindrical
thingies
with aluminum tops and marked with lines forming a cross that make it easy
to identify one that isn't flat. I've seen many systems that became
erratic and
had one or more bulging capacitors. There was a group at my work that had
the equipment and skills to replace capacitors -- only mission critical
stuff
warranted out-of-warranty surgery.
Sound practice. If you are near the ocean, you may also want to use
"contact
enhancer", now available at auto parts stores due the number of computers
found
in vehicles these days.
Mind you, 12 years is a good service life in computing. And a bit
surprising that you might be able to fit a modern one onto the same old
board. Usually, technology changes make that difficult.
For me (I do live near an ocean) few power supplies last 12 years, but
longer
when connected to high quality UPS. Also, newer GPU's often want more
power
than the originals.
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3:05 a.m.
New subject: Switching nvidia GPU cards - can multiple driver versions
co-exist?
On Tue, Feb 14, 2023 at 12:17:03PM -0400, George N. White III wrote:
On Mon, Feb 13, 2023 at 10:40 PM Tim via users <
.... Also, newer GPU's often want more power >than the originals.
Pleasant surprise there. While the newer, replacement card has 2.5X
higher performance, max power draw is 25W lower (150W vs 125W).
Jon
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