11:49 a.m.
Well here comes the questions on 'where is it now'. Of course since I
skipped f18 & f19, these may be 'old' issues....
So with gedit, where 'preferences'? I need to turn off line wrap so I
can use it to edit various config files. Meanwhile, back to vi.
11:17 p.m.
On 26 December 2013 20:00, Lars E. Pettersson <lars(a)homer.se> wrote:
On 12/19/2013 09:07 AM, Ahmad Samir wrote:
>
> AppMenu is only used when running under GNOME, when using any other DE
> it's not used.
>
> FWIW, you can get the old behaviour back under GNOME by editing the
> 'org.gnome.settings-daemon.plugins.xsettings overrides' key:
>
> gsettings set org.gnome.settings-daemon.plugins.xsettings overrides
> "{'Gtk/ShellShowsAppMenu': <0>}"
As the App Menu works bad when using multiple windows and focus follow
mouse, this should perhaps be a part of gnome-tweak-tool (a tick box there
to chose App Menu or not), so one doesn't have to dig into dconf with
dconf-editor. Will make life a tad easier for the ordinary user.
I should perhaps write a RFE on that...
I didn't know it at the time, but it looks like they have already
added such an option in gnome-tweak-tool -> Top Bar -> "Show
Application Menu" in GNOME 3.10.
Lars
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5:21 p.m.
On Thu, 19 Dec 2013 08:05:49 -0500
Robert Moskowitz <rgm(a)htt-consult.com> wrote:
On 12/19/2013 09:02 PM, Edward M wrote:
> On Thu, 19 Dec 2013 10:07:01 +0200
> Ahmad Samir <ahmadsamir3891(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 18 December 2013 20:42, bitlord <bitlord0xff(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Wed, 2013-12-18 at 12:49 -0500, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
>>>> Well here comes the questions on 'where is it now'. Of course
>>>> since I skipped f18 & f19, these may be 'old' issues....
>>>>
>>>> So with gedit, where 'preferences'? I need to turn off line
wrap
>>>> so I can use it to edit various config files. Meanwhile, back to
>>>> vi.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> It uses appmenu in gnome-shell
>>> https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/GnomeShell/Design/Whiteboards/AppMenu
>>> (just as example), but probably should have some fallback solution
>>> on NONgnome-shell desktops
>>>
>> AppMenu is only used when running under GNOME, when using any
>> other DE it's not used.
>>
>> FWIW, you can get the old behaviour back under GNOME by editing the
>> 'org.gnome.settings-daemon.plugins.xsettings overrides' key:
>>
>> gsettings set org.gnome.settings-daemon.plugins.xsettings overrides
>> "{'Gtk/ShellShowsAppMenu': <0>}"
>>
>>
>> In some apps like gedit this should make the AppMenu contain only
>> on entry "Quit", and Preferences and About are moved back to their
>> place in the main gedit window.
>
> Confirm
> used dconf-editor instead to set the overrides and now those entries
> appear within gedit.
What did you change? I just went through all of dconf-editor listed
items and did not recognize anything to change that would turn on
settings/preferences in gedit
Sorry for the late reply. I'm sure you probably already have it
figured, this is what i did.
I logged into my Fedora desktop as regular
user; opened a Terminal; logged in as root using su -; typed
dconf-editor- on dconf-editor's left pane, I just followed
org -> gnome-> settings-daemon-> plugins -> xsettings submenu, then
on dconf-editor's right window - I added {'Gtk/ShellsShowsAppMenu':
<0>}
next to overrides entry and that restored preferences within gedit,etc.
10:07 a.m.
On 12/20/2013 10:23 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 3:14 PM, Robert Moskowitz <rgm(a)htt-consult.com
<mailto:rgm@htt-consult.com>> wrote:
On 12/20/2013 10:03 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
>
> On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 11:38 AM, Robert Moskowitz
> <rgm(a)htt-consult.com <mailto:rgm@htt-consult.com>> wrote:
>
> You mean like lowering inittab to 3, logging in as root, then
> running startx so you can get the full root gui experience?
>
>
>
> No, I mean logging into the desktop as root rather than as a
> normal user. This is generally frowned on.
Isn't this pretty much the same? Once you lower inittab to 3,
there is no problem logging in as root. startx then gives you
your root gui.
What am I missing.
You seem to have got hold of the wrong end of the stick. I'm not
trying to explain how to get root in a desktop. I'm just saying that
this is often cited as a bad idea. The argument is that you should get
root for a specific task (such as editing a system file) and then give
it up at once. Running the desktop as root means you're going to be
doing all sorts of things that don't actually need root, thus
increasing the security threat. It's an aspect of the Principle of
Least Privilege. Added to that, the X system itself has in the past
had a number of vulnerabilities which would make running the desktop
under root more dangerous.
Got it now. We are both on the same side of the page. Just got there
from different directions.
9:09 a.m.
On 12/20/2013 05:43 AM, Ahmad Samir wrote:
On 20 December 2013 03:05, Robert Moskowitz
<rgm(a)htt-consult.com> wrote:
> On 12/19/2013 07:45 PM, "Germán A. Racca" wrote:
>> On 12/19/2013 09:32 PM, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
>>>
>>> On 12/19/2013 07:16 PM, "Germán A. Racca" wrote:
>>>> On 12/19/2013 07:22 PM, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> On 12/19/2013 08:35 AM, Alexander Volovics wrote:
>>>>>> On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 08:05:49AM -0500, Robert Moskowitz
wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Confirm
>>>>>>>> used dconf-editor instead to set the overrides and now
those entries
>>>>>>>> appear within gedit.
>>>>>>> What did you change? I just went through all of dconf-editor
listed
>>>>>>> items and did not recognize anything to change that would
turn on
>>>>>>> settings/preferences in gedit let alone directly turn off
word wrap.
>>>>>> When you open gedit in Fed20 + Gnome-3.10 a gedit icon appears in
the
>>>>>> top bar. If you click on this and choose 'preferences'
you will see
>>>>>> under 'Text Wrapping' the entries: 'enable text
wrapping' and 'do not
>>>>>> split words over two lines'. Is this what you are looking
for.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I assume you are using standard Gnome-3.10 and not "classic
mode".
>>>>>> I know nothing about "classic mode" (don't use
it).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is this icon not visible in your install?
>>>>>
>>>>> Fresh install. Have not applied the updates yet.
>>>>
>>>> Please, do it right now.
>>>>
>>>>> I see that gedit icon
>>>>> on the top bar once gedit is running. It has a down arrow right
next
>>>>> to
>>>>> it. I assume that lets me switch between copies of gedit if more
than
>>>>> one is open.
>>>>
>>>> Why don't you try instead of assume? The down arrow is not for
>>>> switching between different copies of the same application, but for a
>>>> drop down menu. You should click on it to see its behavior by
>>>> yourself, it is cheap!!
>>>
>>> I DID try clicking on the arrow and nothing happened. Since I only had
>>> one gedit opened, I tried to figure it out. Now that you say this is
>>> what it does, I realized where I MAY be having troubles. I am in
>>> terminal, sued, and running gedit to edit the yum.conf.d files! So I
>>> opened terminal regular and ran gedit & and sure enough it works and I
>>> can set preferences no problem for ME and turn off word wrap.
>>>
>>> But I cannot do it for root's use of gedit to edit config files. :(
>>
>> You are right about this, because I opened /etc/yum.conf with gedit using
>> sudo and I'm not able to open the drop down menu. Maybe this behavior is
>> intentional, but I'm not sure.
>
> So, I should give it a try and just put up with the wrapping. Afterall vi
> wraps, but actually does it smarter.
>
> I can see why, as the top bar is running as ME and should NOT let ME set
> preferences for gedit as root. But that begs the question on HOW to change
> the preferences for root.
>
I tested and yes the AppMenu doesn't show for apps run as root.
As I posted before, you can force apps run under gnome-shell to show
all their menus in their own windows and not rely on AppMenu by
running this command as user in terminal:
gsettings set org.gnome.settings-daemon.plugins.xsettings overrides
"{'Gtk/ShellShowsAppMenu': <0>}"
ALL RIGHT!!!! This works! Thanks for all the private help to run it
right as user. gedit shelled to root now has preferences so I was able
to turn off text wrap.
Also makes Nautilus behave better IMHO. But I still can't get trees
instead of places. Have found out how to get folders showing trees, but
not on the left. Makes dragging and dropping a real drag.
8:50 a.m.
Patrick O'Callaghan <pocallaghan <at> gmail.com> writes:
On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 11:09 AM, Tom Horsley <horsley1953 <at> gmail.com>
wrote:
On Fri, 20 Dec 2013 00:35:45 -0300
Germán A. Racca wrote:
> Anyway, it is safer to use something like VIM to edit files as root, I
> only tested gedit because I saw your email, but as root I use only VIM
> to edit files :)
This again? Please give a link to the giant list of exploits
that have actually happened because someone ran a GUI program
as root. I keep seeing this warning, yet no one has ever
provided an actual example of any kind of root exploit happening.
IIRC most comments are about not running the desktop itself as root,
rather than
specific apps.
poc
I've found it isn't even something external or malicious. More along the
lines of X won't start and one needs to edit xorg.conf (or its predecessors)
to fix it using vim or emacs. I've seen people re-install because they
couldn't fix X without a GUI editor or broke it worse because they totally
jacked up xorg.conf using vi.
Cheers,
Dave
7:02 a.m.
On Wed, 18 Dec 2013 13:42:49 -0500, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
I tend to forget about rpm itself. Actually, when I DID use it, yum
would get upset,
It doesn't. Yum warns that the RPM database has been modified by a tool
other than Yum, but you're free to ignore that warning. Yum maintains
a few own databases (see e.g. "yum history") in addition to the RPM db,
and for packages installed/removed with plain "rpm", it won't be able
to track them for features such as "yum history undo …".
5:20 a.m.
On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 11:09 AM, Tom Horsley <horsley1953(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 20 Dec 2013 00:35:45 -0300
Germán A. Racca wrote:
> Anyway, it is safer to use something like VIM to edit files as root, I
> only tested gedit because I saw your email, but as root I use only VIM
> to edit files :)
This again? Please give a link to the giant list of exploits
that have actually happened because someone ran a GUI program
as root. I keep seeing this warning, yet no one has ever
provided an actual example of any kind of root exploit happening.
IIRC most comments are about not running the desktop itself as root, rather
than specific apps.
poc
8:02 p.m.
On Thu, 19 Dec 2013 10:07:01 +0200
Ahmad Samir <ahmadsamir3891(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On 18 December 2013 20:42, bitlord <bitlord0xff(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
> On Wed, 2013-12-18 at 12:49 -0500, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
>> Well here comes the questions on 'where is it now'. Of course
>> since I skipped f18 & f19, these may be 'old' issues....
>>
>> So with gedit, where 'preferences'? I need to turn off line wrap
>> so I can use it to edit various config files. Meanwhile, back to
>> vi.
>>
>>
> It uses appmenu in gnome-shell
> https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/GnomeShell/Design/Whiteboards/AppMenu
> (just as example), but probably should have some fallback solution
> on NONgnome-shell desktops
>
AppMenu is only used when running under GNOME, when using any other DE
it's not used.
FWIW, you can get the old behaviour back under GNOME by editing the
'org.gnome.settings-daemon.plugins.xsettings overrides' key:
gsettings set org.gnome.settings-daemon.plugins.xsettings overrides
"{'Gtk/ShellShowsAppMenu': <0>}"
In some apps like gedit this should make the AppMenu contain only on
entry "Quit", and Preferences and About are moved back to their place
in the main gedit window.
Confirm
used dconf-editor instead to set the overrides and now those entries
appear within gedit.
7:05 p.m.
On 12/19/2013 07:45 PM, "Germán A. Racca" wrote:
On 12/19/2013 09:32 PM, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
>
> On 12/19/2013 07:16 PM, "Germán A. Racca" wrote:
>> On 12/19/2013 07:22 PM, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
>>>
>>> On 12/19/2013 08:35 AM, Alexander Volovics wrote:
>>>> On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 08:05:49AM -0500, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> Confirm
>>>>>> used dconf-editor instead to set the overrides and now those
>>>>>> entries
>>>>>> appear within gedit.
>>>>> What did you change? I just went through all of dconf-editor listed
>>>>> items and did not recognize anything to change that would turn on
>>>>> settings/preferences in gedit let alone directly turn off word wrap.
>>>> When you open gedit in Fed20 + Gnome-3.10 a gedit icon appears in the
>>>> top bar. If you click on this and choose 'preferences' you will
see
>>>> under 'Text Wrapping' the entries: 'enable text wrapping'
and 'do not
>>>> split words over two lines'. Is this what you are looking for.
>>>>
>>>> I assume you are using standard Gnome-3.10 and not "classic
mode".
>>>> I know nothing about "classic mode" (don't use it).
>>>>
>>>> Is this icon not visible in your install?
>>>
>>> Fresh install. Have not applied the updates yet.
>>
>> Please, do it right now.
>>
>>> I see that gedit icon
>>> on the top bar once gedit is running. It has a down arrow right
>>> next to
>>> it. I assume that lets me switch between copies of gedit if more than
>>> one is open.
>>
>> Why don't you try instead of assume? The down arrow is not for
>> switching between different copies of the same application, but for a
>> drop down menu. You should click on it to see its behavior by
>> yourself, it is cheap!!
>
> I DID try clicking on the arrow and nothing happened. Since I only had
> one gedit opened, I tried to figure it out. Now that you say this is
> what it does, I realized where I MAY be having troubles. I am in
> terminal, sued, and running gedit to edit the yum.conf.d files! So I
> opened terminal regular and ran gedit & and sure enough it works and I
> can set preferences no problem for ME and turn off word wrap.
>
> But I cannot do it for root's use of gedit to edit config files. :(
You are right about this, because I opened /etc/yum.conf with gedit
using sudo and I'm not able to open the drop down menu. Maybe this
behavior is intentional, but I'm not sure.
So, I should give it a try and just put up with the wrapping. Afterall
vi wraps, but actually does it smarter.
I can see why, as the top bar is running as ME and should NOT let ME set
preferences for gedit as root. But that begs the question on HOW to
change the preferences for root.
6:32 p.m.
On 12/19/2013 07:16 PM, "Germán A. Racca" wrote:
On 12/19/2013 07:22 PM, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
>
> On 12/19/2013 08:35 AM, Alexander Volovics wrote:
>> On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 08:05:49AM -0500, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
>>
>>>> Confirm
>>>> used dconf-editor instead to set the overrides and now those entries
>>>> appear within gedit.
>>> What did you change? I just went through all of dconf-editor listed
>>> items and did not recognize anything to change that would turn on
>>> settings/preferences in gedit let alone directly turn off word wrap.
>> When you open gedit in Fed20 + Gnome-3.10 a gedit icon appears in the
>> top bar. If you click on this and choose 'preferences' you will see
>> under 'Text Wrapping' the entries: 'enable text wrapping' and
'do not
>> split words over two lines'. Is this what you are looking for.
>>
>> I assume you are using standard Gnome-3.10 and not "classic mode".
>> I know nothing about "classic mode" (don't use it).
>>
>> Is this icon not visible in your install?
>
> Fresh install. Have not applied the updates yet.
Please, do it right now.
> I see that gedit icon
> on the top bar once gedit is running. It has a down arrow right next to
> it. I assume that lets me switch between copies of gedit if more than
> one is open.
Why don't you try instead of assume? The down arrow is not for
switching between different copies of the same application, but for a
drop down menu. You should click on it to see its behavior by
yourself, it is cheap!!
I DID try clicking on the arrow and nothing happened. Since I only had
one gedit opened, I tried to figure it out. Now that you say this is
what it does, I realized where I MAY be having troubles. I am in
terminal, sued, and running gedit to edit the yum.conf.d files! So I
opened terminal regular and ran gedit & and sure enough it works and I
can set preferences no problem for ME and turn off word wrap.
But I cannot do it for root's use of gedit to edit config files. :(
> But neither left or right click on this icon produced
> anything. No action at all. Perhaps you enabled something else first
> for gnome?
Left click doesn't work? Maybe your mouse is broken.
6:16 p.m.
On 12/19/2013 07:22 PM, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
On 12/19/2013 08:35 AM, Alexander Volovics wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 08:05:49AM -0500, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
>
>>> Confirm
>>> used dconf-editor instead to set the overrides and now those entries
>>> appear within gedit.
>> What did you change? I just went through all of dconf-editor listed
>> items and did not recognize anything to change that would turn on
>> settings/preferences in gedit let alone directly turn off word wrap.
> When you open gedit in Fed20 + Gnome-3.10 a gedit icon appears in the
> top bar. If you click on this and choose 'preferences' you will see
> under 'Text Wrapping' the entries: 'enable text wrapping' and 'do
not
> split words over two lines'. Is this what you are looking for.
>
> I assume you are using standard Gnome-3.10 and not "classic mode".
> I know nothing about "classic mode" (don't use it).
>
> Is this icon not visible in your install?
Fresh install. Have not applied the updates yet.
Please, do it right now.
I see that gedit icon
on the top bar once gedit is running. It has a down arrow right next to
it. I assume that lets me switch between copies of gedit if more than
one is open.
Why don't you try instead of assume? The down arrow is not for switching
between different copies of the same application, but for a drop down
menu. You should click on it to see its behavior by yourself, it is cheap!!
But neither left or right click on this icon produced
anything. No action at all. Perhaps you enabled something else first
for gnome?
Left click doesn't work? Maybe your mouse is broken.
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Fedora Package Maintainer
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Skytux
4:22 p.m.
On 12/19/2013 08:35 AM, Alexander Volovics wrote:
On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 08:05:49AM -0500, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
>> Confirm
>> used dconf-editor instead to set the overrides and now those entries
>> appear within gedit.
> What did you change? I just went through all of dconf-editor listed
> items and did not recognize anything to change that would turn on
> settings/preferences in gedit let alone directly turn off word wrap.
When you open gedit in Fed20 + Gnome-3.10 a gedit icon appears in the
top bar. If you click on this and choose 'preferences' you will see
under 'Text Wrapping' the entries: 'enable text wrapping' and 'do
not
split words over two lines'. Is this what you are looking for.
I assume you are using standard Gnome-3.10 and not "classic mode".
I know nothing about "classic mode" (don't use it).
Is this icon not visible in your install?
Fresh install. Have not applied the updates yet. I see that gedit icon
on the top bar once gedit is running. It has a down arrow right next to
it. I assume that lets me switch between copies of gedit if more than
one is open. But neither left or right click on this icon produced
anything. No action at all. Perhaps you enabled something else first
for gnome?
10:02 a.m.
New subject: What to try instead of gnome - Re: f20 - gedit
On Wed, 2013-12-18 at 17:32 -0500, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
On 12/18/2013 05:20 PM, Dennis Kaptain wrote:
> Mate is a fork of Gnome2. I use it and like it a lot.
This is selectable at install?
The desktop environments that you can select at install time are pretty
limited; I don't think MATE is on the list (although I could be wrong).
But it's easily added after install with "yum groupinstall 'MATE
Desktop'"
I'm not a Gnome 3 hater, I actually like it for the most part, now that
it's a lot more customizable than it was when it first came out. But I
still have some use cases where it doesn't work so well. For one thing,
I have not yet figured out a way to launch an application on the second
monitor of a dual-head setup. Even if the launch icon is located on the
second screen, it always launches on the first screen. I can then move
it over manually, but this isn't really a good option when the two
"monitors" are really two different inputs to the same output device,
and the application is windowless full-screen. MATE has the same issue.
I ended up having to use Xfce on those machines. It's nice that there
are choices.
--Greg
7:35 a.m.
On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 08:05:49AM -0500, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
>Confirm
>used dconf-editor instead to set the overrides and now those entries
>appear within gedit.
What did you change? I just went through all of dconf-editor listed
items and did not recognize anything to change that would turn on
settings/preferences in gedit let alone directly turn off word wrap.
When you open gedit in Fed20 + Gnome-3.10 a gedit icon appears in the
top bar. If you click on this and choose 'preferences' you will see
under 'Text Wrapping' the entries: 'enable text wrapping' and 'do not
split words over two lines'. Is this what you are looking for.
I assume you are using standard Gnome-3.10 and not "classic mode".
I know nothing about "classic mode" (don't use it).
Is this icon not visible in your install?
AV
5:17 a.m.
On 12/19/2013 03:07 AM, Ahmad Samir wrote:
On 18 December 2013 20:42, bitlord <bitlord0xff(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
> On Wed, 2013-12-18 at 12:49 -0500, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
>> Well here comes the questions on 'where is it now'. Of course since I
>> skipped f18 & f19, these may be 'old' issues....
>>
>> So with gedit, where 'preferences'? I need to turn off line wrap so I
>> can use it to edit various config files. Meanwhile, back to vi.
>>
>>
> It uses appmenu in gnome-shell
> https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/GnomeShell/Design/Whiteboards/AppMenu
> (just as example), but probably should have some fallback solution on
> NONgnome-shell desktops
>
AppMenu is only used when running under GNOME, when using any other DE
it's not used.
I do not have a program 'appmenu' installed. How do I get it?
FWIW, you can get the old behaviour back under GNOME by editing the
'org.gnome.settings-daemon.plugins.xsettings overrides' key:
what file is this in?
gsettings set org.gnome.settings-daemon.plugins.xsettings overrides
"{'Gtk/ShellShowsAppMenu': <0>}"
In some apps like gedit this should make the AppMenu contain only on
entry "Quit", and Preferences and About are moved back to their place
in the main gedit window. In some other apps, e.g. Nautilus, the
Preferences and About entries are duplicated, so they appear twice
once in the AppMenu and once in the menu you get when you click the
gear icon on the Nautilus toolbar.
thank you for the tips.
2:07 a.m.
On 18 December 2013 20:42, bitlord <bitlord0xff(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, 2013-12-18 at 12:49 -0500, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
> Well here comes the questions on 'where is it now'. Of course since I
> skipped f18 & f19, these may be 'old' issues....
>
> So with gedit, where 'preferences'? I need to turn off line wrap so I
> can use it to edit various config files. Meanwhile, back to vi.
>
>
It uses appmenu in gnome-shell
https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/GnomeShell/Design/Whiteboards/AppMenu
(just as example), but probably should have some fallback solution on
NONgnome-shell desktops
AppMenu is only used when running under GNOME, when using any other DE
it's not used.
FWIW, you can get the old behaviour back under GNOME by editing the
'org.gnome.settings-daemon.plugins.xsettings overrides' key:
gsettings set org.gnome.settings-daemon.plugins.xsettings overrides
"{'Gtk/ShellShowsAppMenu': <0>}"
In some apps like gedit this should make the AppMenu contain only on
entry "Quit", and Preferences and About are moved back to their place
in the main gedit window. In some other apps, e.g. Nautilus, the
Preferences and About entries are duplicated, so they appear twice
once in the AppMenu and once in the menu you get when you click the
gear icon on the Nautilus toolbar.
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3:07 p.m.
On Wed, 18 Dec 2013 19:42:35 +0100
bitlord wrote:
(just as example), but probably should have some fallback solution
on
NONgnome-shell desktops
I'm pretty sure it does. When I run GTK apps under FVWM, they actually
get buttons in the app itself where they belong. Yet another reason
to run as far away from Gnome as possible.
6:32 p.m.
New subject: What to try instead of gnome - Re: f20 - gedit
On 12/18/2013 02:20 PM, Dennis Kaptain wrote:
Mate is a fork of Gnome2. I use it and like it a lot.
2013/12/18 Robert Moskowitz <rgm(a)htt-consult.com
<mailto:rgm@htt-consult.com>>
On 12/18/2013 04:21 PM, Dan Thurman wrote:
> On 12/18/2013 01:07 PM, Tom Horsley wrote:
>> On Wed, 18 Dec 2013 19:42:35 +0100
>> bitlord wrote:
>>
>>> (just as example), but probably should have some fallback solution on
>>> NONgnome-shell desktops
>> I'm pretty sure it does. When I run GTK apps under FVWM, they actually
>> get buttons in the app itself where they belong.*Yet another reason
>> to run as far away from Gnome as possible.*
> 1+
I am getting so close to pulling the plug on gnome. Just getting
too hard to use with a mouse and keyboard.
would like to get back to something close to gnome 2. Like I still
have on my Centos boxes.
I have MATE running on F18 - and it has a ways to go with
~/.gnome2 as opposed to ~/.gnome(3) user settings. MATE
fails to save workspace settings, fails menu "reorganizations",
uses caja/nautilus inconsistently, semi-fails XDMCP (Cannot
log in remotely-unable to enter password), 'motion' does
not work well on httpd+web browser and so on. There is more
HD bloat (gnome2+gnome3) and it is a performance hog so
a speedy MOBO/CPU/RAM is needed. The look and feel is pretty
good, but it can get ugly sometimes.
I hope MATE & applications catches up to what it was before gnome-3.
5:26 p.m.
New subject: What to try instead of gnome - Re: f20 - gedit
On 12/18/2013 06:16 PM, Steven Rosenberg wrote:
On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 2:20 PM, Dennis Kaptain
<dennis.kaptain(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> Mate is a fork of Gnome2. I use it and like it a lot.
I'd roll Mate, Xfce and LXDE onto the box to see what you like.
Only a 16GB SSD on this ASUS ee900. Kind of 'pressed' for space. I
will give Mate a try first.
4:32 p.m.
New subject: What to try instead of gnome - Re: f20 - gedit
On 12/18/2013 05:20 PM, Dennis Kaptain wrote:
Mate is a fork of Gnome2. I use it and like it a lot.
This is selectable at install? I will most likely try again tomorrow...
2013/12/18 Robert Moskowitz <rgm(a)htt-consult.com
<mailto:rgm@htt-consult.com>>
On 12/18/2013 04:21 PM, Dan Thurman wrote:
> On 12/18/2013 01:07 PM, Tom Horsley wrote:
>> On Wed, 18 Dec 2013 19:42:35 +0100
>> bitlord wrote:
>>
>>> (just as example), but probably should have some fallback solution on
>>> NONgnome-shell desktops
>> I'm pretty sure it does. When I run GTK apps under FVWM, they actually
>> get buttons in the app itself where they belong.*Yet another reason
>> to run as far away from Gnome as possible.*
> 1+
I am getting so close to pulling the plug on gnome. Just getting
too hard to use with a mouse and keyboard.
would like to get back to something close to gnome 2. Like I still
have on my Centos boxes.
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4:20 p.m.
New subject: What to try instead of gnome - Re: f20 - gedit
Mate is a fork of Gnome2. I use it and like it a lot.
2013/12/18 Robert Moskowitz <rgm(a)htt-consult.com>
On 12/18/2013 04:21 PM, Dan Thurman wrote:
On 12/18/2013 01:07 PM, Tom Horsley wrote:
On Wed, 18 Dec 2013 19:42:35 +0100
bitlord wrote:
(just as example), but probably should have some fallback solution on
NONgnome-shell desktops
I'm pretty sure it does. When I run GTK apps under FVWM, they actually
get buttons in the app itself where they belong. *Yet another reason
to run as far away from Gnome as possible.*
1+
I am getting so close to pulling the plug on gnome. Just getting too hard
to use with a mouse and keyboard.
would like to get back to something close to gnome 2. Like I still have
on my Centos boxes.
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3:21 p.m.
On 12/18/2013 01:07 PM, Tom Horsley wrote:
On Wed, 18 Dec 2013 19:42:35 +0100
bitlord wrote:
> (just as example), but probably should have some fallback solution on
> NONgnome-shell desktops
I'm pretty sure it does. When I run GTK apps under FVWM, they actually
get buttons in the app itself where they belong.*Yet another reason
to run as far away from Gnome as possible.*
1+
12:25 p.m.
On 12/18/2013 01:20 PM, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
Wow! They also hid the about tab! and no /root/install.log and
/var/log/yum.log only has what has occured since install! So how DO I
find out what versin of gedit f20 base install is running????
I think the dumbing down has gone a bit too far. Even for me.
Well, my F19 system says:
# rpm -q gedit
gedit-3.8.3-1.fc19.x86_64
Would expect F20 to give you a similar answer...
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12:20 p.m.
On 12/18/2013 12:55 PM, Marvin Kosmal wrote:
HI
What version of gedit are you using?
Wow! They also hid the about tab! and no /root/install.log and
/var/log/yum.log only has what has occured since install! So how DO I
find out what versin of gedit f20 base install is running????
I think the dumbing down has gone a bit too far. Even for me.
Marvin
On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 9:49 AM, Robert Moskowitz <rgm(a)htt-consult.com
<mailto:rgm@htt-consult.com>> wrote:
Well here comes the questions on 'where is it now'. Of course
since I skipped f18 & f19, these may be 'old' issues....
So with gedit, where 'preferences'? I need to turn off line wrap
so I can use it to edit various config files. Meanwhile, back to vi.
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7:28 a.m.
On 12/20/2013 08:02 AM, Michael Schwendt wrote:
On Wed, 18 Dec 2013 13:42:49 -0500, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
> I tend to forget about rpm itself. Actually, when I DID use it, yum
> would get upset,
It doesn't. Yum warns that the RPM database has been modified by a tool
other than Yum, but you're free to ignore that warning. Yum maintains
a few own databases (see e.g. "yum history") in addition to the RPM db,
and for packages installed/removed with plain "rpm", it won't be able
to track them for features such as "yum history undo …".
I did eventually figure that out. Still, I try for peace and harmony on
my systems. ;)
Just got in the habit of yum localinstall, as that does the job of
making sure you have all the dependencies right.
7:13 p.m.
On 12/19/2013 05:05 PM, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
On 12/19/2013 07:45 PM, "Germán A. Racca" wrote:
> On 12/19/2013 09:32 PM, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
>>
>> On 12/19/2013 07:16 PM, "Germán A. Racca" wrote:
>>> On 12/19/2013 07:22 PM, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On 12/19/2013 08:35 AM, Alexander Volovics wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 08:05:49AM -0500, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Confirm
>>>>>>> used dconf-editor instead to set the overrides and now those
>>>>>>> entries
>>>>>>> appear within gedit.
>>>>>> What did you change? I just went through all of dconf-editor
>>>>>> listed
>>>>>> items and did not recognize anything to change that would turn
on
>>>>>> settings/preferences in gedit let alone directly turn off word
>>>>>> wrap.
>>>>> When you open gedit in Fed20 + Gnome-3.10 a gedit icon appears in
>>>>> the
>>>>> top bar. If you click on this and choose 'preferences' you
will see
>>>>> under 'Text Wrapping' the entries: 'enable text
wrapping' and 'do
>>>>> not
>>>>> split words over two lines'. Is this what you are looking for.
>>>>>
>>>>> I assume you are using standard Gnome-3.10 and not "classic
mode".
>>>>> I know nothing about "classic mode" (don't use it).
>>>>>
>>>>> Is this icon not visible in your install?
>>>>
>>>> Fresh install. Have not applied the updates yet.
>>>
>>> Please, do it right now.
>>>
>>>> I see that gedit icon
>>>> on the top bar once gedit is running. It has a down arrow right
>>>> next to
>>>> it. I assume that lets me switch between copies of gedit if more
>>>> than
>>>> one is open.
>>>
>>> Why don't you try instead of assume? The down arrow is not for
>>> switching between different copies of the same application, but for a
>>> drop down menu. You should click on it to see its behavior by
>>> yourself, it is cheap!!
>>
>> I DID try clicking on the arrow and nothing happened. Since I only had
>> one gedit opened, I tried to figure it out. Now that you say this is
>> what it does, I realized where I MAY be having troubles. I am in
>> terminal, sued, and running gedit to edit the yum.conf.d files! So I
>> opened terminal regular and ran gedit & and sure enough it works and I
>> can set preferences no problem for ME and turn off word wrap.
>>
>> But I cannot do it for root's use of gedit to edit config files. :(
>
> You are right about this, because I opened /etc/yum.conf with gedit
> using sudo and I'm not able to open the drop down menu. Maybe this
> behavior is intentional, but I'm not sure.
So, I should give it a try and just put up with the wrapping. Afterall
vi wraps, but actually does it smarter.
I can see why, as the top bar is running as ME and should NOT let ME
set preferences for gedit as root. But that begs the question on HOW
to change the preferences for root.
Um, I may have missed the threads, but gedit
works fine on F18/MATE.
6:45 p.m.
On 12/19/2013 09:32 PM, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
On 12/19/2013 07:16 PM, "Germán A. Racca" wrote:
> On 12/19/2013 07:22 PM, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
>>
>> On 12/19/2013 08:35 AM, Alexander Volovics wrote:
>>> On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 08:05:49AM -0500, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Confirm
>>>>> used dconf-editor instead to set the overrides and now those entries
>>>>> appear within gedit.
>>>> What did you change? I just went through all of dconf-editor listed
>>>> items and did not recognize anything to change that would turn on
>>>> settings/preferences in gedit let alone directly turn off word wrap.
>>> When you open gedit in Fed20 + Gnome-3.10 a gedit icon appears in the
>>> top bar. If you click on this and choose 'preferences' you will see
>>> under 'Text Wrapping' the entries: 'enable text wrapping' and
'do not
>>> split words over two lines'. Is this what you are looking for.
>>>
>>> I assume you are using standard Gnome-3.10 and not "classic mode".
>>> I know nothing about "classic mode" (don't use it).
>>>
>>> Is this icon not visible in your install?
>>
>> Fresh install. Have not applied the updates yet.
>
> Please, do it right now.
>
>> I see that gedit icon
>> on the top bar once gedit is running. It has a down arrow right next to
>> it. I assume that lets me switch between copies of gedit if more than
>> one is open.
>
> Why don't you try instead of assume? The down arrow is not for
> switching between different copies of the same application, but for a
> drop down menu. You should click on it to see its behavior by
> yourself, it is cheap!!
I DID try clicking on the arrow and nothing happened. Since I only had
one gedit opened, I tried to figure it out. Now that you say this is
what it does, I realized where I MAY be having troubles. I am in
terminal, sued, and running gedit to edit the yum.conf.d files! So I
opened terminal regular and ran gedit & and sure enough it works and I
can set preferences no problem for ME and turn off word wrap.
But I cannot do it for root's use of gedit to edit config files. :(
You are right about this, because I opened /etc/yum.conf with gedit
using sudo and I'm not able to open the drop down menu. Maybe this
behavior is intentional, but I'm not sure.
>
>> But neither left or right click on this icon produced
>> anything. No action at all. Perhaps you enabled something else first
>> for gnome?
>
> Left click doesn't work? Maybe your mouse is broken.
>
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10 p.m.
Anyway, it is safer to use something like VIM to edit files as root,
I
only tested gedit because I saw your email, but as root I use only
VIM
to edit files :)
Why?????
----- Original Message -----
> On 12/19/2013 10:05 PM, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
> >
> > On 12/19/2013 07:45 PM, "Germán A. Racca" wrote:
> >> On 12/19/2013 09:32 PM, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
> >>>
> >>> On 12/19/2013 07:16 PM, "Germán A. Racca" wrote:
> >>>> On 12/19/2013 07:22 PM, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On 12/19/2013 08:35 AM, Alexander Volovics wrote:
> >>>>>> On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 08:05:49AM -0500, Robert Moskowitz
> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Confirm
> >>>>>>>> used dconf-editor instead to set the overrides and
now those
> >>>>>>>> entries
> >>>>>>>> appear within gedit.
> >>>>>>> What did you change? I just went through all of
dconf-editor
> >>>>>>> listed
> >>>>>>> items and did not recognize anything to change that
would
> >>>>>>> turn on
> >>>>>>> settings/preferences in gedit let alone directly turn
off
> >>>>>>> word wrap.
> >>>>>> When you open gedit in Fed20 + Gnome-3.10 a gedit icon
appears
> >>>>>> in the
> >>>>>> top bar. If you click on this and choose
'preferences' you
> >>>>>> will see
> >>>>>> under 'Text Wrapping' the entries: 'enable text
wrapping' and
> >>>>>> 'do not
> >>>>>> split words over two lines'. Is this what you are
looking for.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I assume you are using standard Gnome-3.10 and not
"classic
> >>>>>> mode".
> >>>>>> I know nothing about "classic mode" (don't use
it).
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Is this icon not visible in your install?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Fresh install. Have not applied the updates yet.
> >>>>
> >>>> Please, do it right now.
> >>>>
> >>>>> I see that gedit icon
> >>>>> on the top bar once gedit is running. It has a down arrow
> >>>>> right
> >>>>> next to
> >>>>> it. I assume that lets me switch between copies of gedit if
> >>>>> more than
> >>>>> one is open.
> >>>>
> >>>> Why don't you try instead of assume? The down arrow is not for
> >>>> switching between different copies of the same application, but
> >>>> for a
> >>>> drop down menu. You should click on it to see its behavior by
> >>>> yourself, it is cheap!!
> >>>
> >>> I DID try clicking on the arrow and nothing happened. Since I
> >>> only had
> >>> one gedit opened, I tried to figure it out. Now that you say
> >>> this is
> >>> what it does, I realized where I MAY be having troubles. I am in
> >>> terminal, sued, and running gedit to edit the yum.conf.d files!
> >>> So I
> >>> opened terminal regular and ran gedit & and sure enough it works
> >>> and I
> >>> can set preferences no problem for ME and turn off word wrap.
> >>>
> >>> But I cannot do it for root's use of gedit to edit config files.
> >>> :(
> >>
> >> You are right about this, because I opened /etc/yum.conf with
> >> gedit
> >> using sudo and I'm not able to open the drop down menu. Maybe this
> >> behavior is intentional, but I'm not sure.
> >
> > So, I should give it a try and just put up with the wrapping.
> > Afterall
> > vi wraps, but actually does it smarter.
> >
> > I can see why, as the top bar is running as ME and should NOT let
> > ME set
> > preferences for gedit as root. But that begs the question on HOW
> > to
> > change the preferences for root.
>
Anyway, it is safer to use something like VIM to edit files as root,
I
only tested gedit because I saw your email, but as root I use only
VIM
to edit files :)
>
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9:35 p.m.
On 12/19/2013 10:05 PM, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
On 12/19/2013 07:45 PM, "Germán A. Racca" wrote:
> On 12/19/2013 09:32 PM, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
>>
>> On 12/19/2013 07:16 PM, "Germán A. Racca" wrote:
>>> On 12/19/2013 07:22 PM, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On 12/19/2013 08:35 AM, Alexander Volovics wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 08:05:49AM -0500, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Confirm
>>>>>>> used dconf-editor instead to set the overrides and now those
>>>>>>> entries
>>>>>>> appear within gedit.
>>>>>> What did you change? I just went through all of dconf-editor
listed
>>>>>> items and did not recognize anything to change that would turn
on
>>>>>> settings/preferences in gedit let alone directly turn off word
wrap.
>>>>> When you open gedit in Fed20 + Gnome-3.10 a gedit icon appears in
the
>>>>> top bar. If you click on this and choose 'preferences' you
will see
>>>>> under 'Text Wrapping' the entries: 'enable text
wrapping' and 'do not
>>>>> split words over two lines'. Is this what you are looking for.
>>>>>
>>>>> I assume you are using standard Gnome-3.10 and not "classic
mode".
>>>>> I know nothing about "classic mode" (don't use it).
>>>>>
>>>>> Is this icon not visible in your install?
>>>>
>>>> Fresh install. Have not applied the updates yet.
>>>
>>> Please, do it right now.
>>>
>>>> I see that gedit icon
>>>> on the top bar once gedit is running. It has a down arrow right
>>>> next to
>>>> it. I assume that lets me switch between copies of gedit if more than
>>>> one is open.
>>>
>>> Why don't you try instead of assume? The down arrow is not for
>>> switching between different copies of the same application, but for a
>>> drop down menu. You should click on it to see its behavior by
>>> yourself, it is cheap!!
>>
>> I DID try clicking on the arrow and nothing happened. Since I only had
>> one gedit opened, I tried to figure it out. Now that you say this is
>> what it does, I realized where I MAY be having troubles. I am in
>> terminal, sued, and running gedit to edit the yum.conf.d files! So I
>> opened terminal regular and ran gedit & and sure enough it works and I
>> can set preferences no problem for ME and turn off word wrap.
>>
>> But I cannot do it for root's use of gedit to edit config files. :(
>
> You are right about this, because I opened /etc/yum.conf with gedit
> using sudo and I'm not able to open the drop down menu. Maybe this
> behavior is intentional, but I'm not sure.
So, I should give it a try and just put up with the wrapping. Afterall
vi wraps, but actually does it smarter.
I can see why, as the top bar is running as ME and should NOT let ME set
preferences for gedit as root. But that begs the question on HOW to
change the preferences for root.
Anyway, it is safer to use something like VIM to edit files as root, I
only tested gedit because I saw your email, but as root I use only VIM
to edit files :)
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9:23 a.m.
On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 3:14 PM, Robert Moskowitz <rgm(a)htt-consult.com>wrote:
On 12/20/2013 10:03 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 11:38 AM, Robert Moskowitz <rgm(a)htt-consult.com>wrote:
> You mean like lowering inittab to 3, logging in as root, then running
> startx so you can get the full root gui experience?
>
No, I mean logging into the desktop as root rather than as a normal
user. This is generally frowned on.
Isn't this pretty much the same? Once you lower inittab to 3, there is no
problem logging in as root. startx then gives you your root gui.
What am I missing.
You seem to have got hold of the wrong end of the stick. I'm not trying to
explain how to get root in a desktop. I'm just saying that this is often
cited as a bad idea. The argument is that you should get root for a
specific task (such as editing a system file) and then give it up at once.
Running the desktop as root means you're going to be doing all sorts of
things that don't actually need root, thus increasing the security threat.
It's an aspect of the Principle of Least Privilege. Added to that, the X
system itself has in the past had a number of vulnerabilities which would
make running the desktop under root more dangerous.
poc
9:14 a.m.
On 12/20/2013 10:03 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 11:38 AM, Robert Moskowitz
<rgm(a)htt-consult.com <mailto:rgm@htt-consult.com>> wrote:
You mean like lowering inittab to 3, logging in as root, then
running startx so you can get the full root gui experience?
No, I mean logging into the desktop as root rather than as a normal
user. This is generally frowned on.
Isn't this pretty much the same? Once you lower inittab to 3, there is
no problem logging in as root. startx then gives you your root gui.
What am I missing.
BTW, I use to do this until I finally buckled down and got decent at
doing what I needed in a su terminal session. And I DO use vi a lot. I
have been using it since '93 and never graduated to emacs; still have my
original O'Reilly vi book.
noon
On 12/19/2013 09:07 AM, Ahmad Samir wrote:
AppMenu is only used when running under GNOME, when using any other
DE
it's not used.
FWIW, you can get the old behaviour back under GNOME by editing the
'org.gnome.settings-daemon.plugins.xsettings overrides' key:
gsettings set org.gnome.settings-daemon.plugins.xsettings overrides
"{'Gtk/ShellShowsAppMenu': <0>}"
As the App Menu works bad when using multiple windows and focus follow
mouse, this should perhaps be a part of gnome-tweak-tool (a tick box
there to chose App Menu or not), so one doesn't have to dig into dconf
with dconf-editor. Will make life a tad easier for the ordinary user.
I should perhaps write a RFE on that...
Lars
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4:34 a.m.
On 01/03/2014 06:17 AM, Ahmad Samir wrote:
On 26 December 2013 20:00, Lars E. Pettersson <lars(a)homer.se>
wrote:
...
> As the App Menu works bad when using multiple windows and focus
follow
> mouse, this should perhaps be a part of gnome-tweak-tool (a tick box there
> to chose App Menu or not), so one doesn't have to dig into dconf with
> dconf-editor. Will make life a tad easier for the ordinary user.
>
> I should perhaps write a RFE on that...
>
I didn't know it at the time, but it looks like they have already
added such an option in gnome-tweak-tool -> Top Bar -> "Show
Application Menu" in GNOME 3.10.
Ah, that seems to be the solution, had missed that. Then I don't need to
file a RFE :)
Thanks!
Lars
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5:38 a.m.
On 12/20/2013 06:20 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 11:09 AM, Tom Horsley <horsley1953(a)gmail.com
<mailto:horsley1953@gmail.com>> wrote:
On Fri, 20 Dec 2013 00:35:45 -0300
Germán A. Racca wrote:
> Anyway, it is safer to use something like VIM to edit files as
root, I
> only tested gedit because I saw your email, but as root I use
only VIM
> to edit files :)
This again? Please give a link to the giant list of exploits
that have actually happened because someone ran a GUI program
as root. I keep seeing this warning, yet no one has ever
provided an actual example of any kind of root exploit happening.
IIRC most comments are about not running the desktop itself as root,
rather than specific apps.
You mean like lowering inittab to 3, logging in as root, then running
startx so you can get the full root gui experience?
:)
5:09 a.m.
On Fri, 20 Dec 2013 00:35:45 -0300
Germán A. Racca wrote:
Anyway, it is safer to use something like VIM to edit files as root,
I
only tested gedit because I saw your email, but as root I use only VIM
to edit files :)
This again? Please give a link to the giant list of exploits
that have actually happened because someone ran a GUI program
as root. I keep seeing this warning, yet no one has ever
provided an actual example of any kind of root exploit happening.
7:05 a.m.
On 12/19/2013 09:02 PM, Edward M wrote:
On Thu, 19 Dec 2013 10:07:01 +0200
Ahmad Samir <ahmadsamir3891(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> On 18 December 2013 20:42, bitlord <bitlord0xff(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Wed, 2013-12-18 at 12:49 -0500, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
>>> Well here comes the questions on 'where is it now'. Of course
>>> since I skipped f18 & f19, these may be 'old' issues....
>>>
>>> So with gedit, where 'preferences'? I need to turn off line wrap
>>> so I can use it to edit various config files. Meanwhile, back to
>>> vi.
>>>
>>>
>> It uses appmenu in gnome-shell
>> https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/GnomeShell/Design/Whiteboards/AppMenu
>> (just as example), but probably should have some fallback solution
>> on NONgnome-shell desktops
>>
> AppMenu is only used when running under GNOME, when using any other DE
> it's not used.
>
> FWIW, you can get the old behaviour back under GNOME by editing the
> 'org.gnome.settings-daemon.plugins.xsettings overrides' key:
>
> gsettings set org.gnome.settings-daemon.plugins.xsettings overrides
> "{'Gtk/ShellShowsAppMenu': <0>}"
>
>
> In some apps like gedit this should make the AppMenu contain only on
> entry "Quit", and Preferences and About are moved back to their place
> in the main gedit window.
Confirm
used dconf-editor instead to set the overrides and now those entries
appear within gedit.
What did you change? I just went through all of dconf-editor listed
items and did not recognize anything to change that would turn on
settings/preferences in gedit let alone directly turn off word wrap.
And for Nautilus the same. How do I switch to trees view from places?
Probably will need to take this to the gnome list. But there is no
help-about so that I can find out what version of gnome we are running
here to ask about.
11:55 a.m.
HI
What version of gedit are you using?
Marvin
On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 9:49 AM, Robert Moskowitz <rgm(a)htt-consult.com>wrote:
Well here comes the questions on 'where is it now'. Of
course since I
skipped f18 & f19, these may be 'old' issues....
So with gedit, where 'preferences'? I need to turn off line wrap so I can
use it to edit various config files. Meanwhile, back to vi.
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12:42 p.m.
On 12/18/2013 01:25 PM, Tim Evans wrote:
On 12/18/2013 01:20 PM, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
> Wow! They also hid the about tab! and no /root/install.log and
> /var/log/yum.log only has what has occured since install! So how DO I
> find out what versin of gedit f20 base install is running????
>
> I think the dumbing down has gone a bit too far. Even for me.
Well, my F19 system says:
# rpm -q gedit
I tend to forget about rpm itself. Actually, when I DID use it, yum
would get upset, so I fell into doing yum installlocal.
gedit-3.8.3-1.fc19.x86_64
gedit-3.10.2-1.f20.i686
12:42 p.m.
On Wed, 2013-12-18 at 12:49 -0500, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
Well here comes the questions on 'where is it now'. Of
course since I
skipped f18 & f19, these may be 'old' issues....
So with gedit, where 'preferences'? I need to turn off line wrap so I
can use it to edit various config files. Meanwhile, back to vi.
It uses appmenu in gnome-shell
https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/GnomeShell/Design/Whiteboards/AppMenu
(just as example), but probably should have some fallback solution on
NONgnome-shell desktops
3:35 p.m.
New subject: What to try instead of gnome - Re: f20 - gedit
On 12/18/2013 04:21 PM, Dan Thurman wrote:
On 12/18/2013 01:07 PM, Tom Horsley wrote:
> On Wed, 18 Dec 2013 19:42:35 +0100
> bitlord wrote:
>
>> (just as example), but probably should have some fallback solution on
>> NONgnome-shell desktops
> I'm pretty sure it does. When I run GTK apps under FVWM, they actually
> get buttons in the app itself where they belong.*Yet another reason
> to run as far away from Gnome as possible.*
1+
I am getting so close to pulling the plug on gnome. Just getting too
hard to use with a mouse and keyboard.
would like to get back to something close to gnome 2. Like I still have
on my Centos boxes.
7:21 p.m.
On 12/19/2013 08:13 PM, Dan Thurman wrote:
On 12/19/2013 05:05 PM, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
>
> On 12/19/2013 07:45 PM, "Germán A. Racca" wrote:
>> On 12/19/2013 09:32 PM, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
>>>
>>> On 12/19/2013 07:16 PM, "Germán A. Racca" wrote:
>>>> On 12/19/2013 07:22 PM, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> On 12/19/2013 08:35 AM, Alexander Volovics wrote:
>>>>>> On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 08:05:49AM -0500, Robert Moskowitz
wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Confirm
>>>>>>>> used dconf-editor instead to set the overrides and now
those
>>>>>>>> entries
>>>>>>>> appear within gedit.
>>>>>>> What did you change? I just went through all of dconf-editor
>>>>>>> listed
>>>>>>> items and did not recognize anything to change that would
turn on
>>>>>>> settings/preferences in gedit let alone directly turn off
word
>>>>>>> wrap.
>>>>>> When you open gedit in Fed20 + Gnome-3.10 a gedit icon appears
>>>>>> in the
>>>>>> top bar. If you click on this and choose 'preferences'
you will see
>>>>>> under 'Text Wrapping' the entries: 'enable text
wrapping' and
>>>>>> 'do not
>>>>>> split words over two lines'. Is this what you are looking
for.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I assume you are using standard Gnome-3.10 and not "classic
mode".
>>>>>> I know nothing about "classic mode" (don't use
it).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is this icon not visible in your install?
>>>>>
>>>>> Fresh install. Have not applied the updates yet.
>>>>
>>>> Please, do it right now.
>>>>
>>>>> I see that gedit icon
>>>>> on the top bar once gedit is running. It has a down arrow right
>>>>> next to
>>>>> it. I assume that lets me switch between copies of gedit if more
>>>>> than
>>>>> one is open.
>>>>
>>>> Why don't you try instead of assume? The down arrow is not for
>>>> switching between different copies of the same application, but for a
>>>> drop down menu. You should click on it to see its behavior by
>>>> yourself, it is cheap!!
>>>
>>> I DID try clicking on the arrow and nothing happened. Since I only
>>> had
>>> one gedit opened, I tried to figure it out. Now that you say this is
>>> what it does, I realized where I MAY be having troubles. I am in
>>> terminal, sued, and running gedit to edit the yum.conf.d files! So I
>>> opened terminal regular and ran gedit & and sure enough it works and I
>>> can set preferences no problem for ME and turn off word wrap.
>>>
>>> But I cannot do it for root's use of gedit to edit config files. :(
>>
>> You are right about this, because I opened /etc/yum.conf with gedit
>> using sudo and I'm not able to open the drop down menu. Maybe this
>> behavior is intentional, but I'm not sure.
>
> So, I should give it a try and just put up with the wrapping.
> Afterall vi wraps, but actually does it smarter.
>
> I can see why, as the top bar is running as ME and should NOT let ME
> set preferences for gedit as root. But that begs the question on HOW
> to change the preferences for root.
Um, I may have missed the threads, but gedit works fine on F18/MATE.
This behaviour, I think, came in f19. It only impacts sudo gedit not
being able to access top bar. And that is a Gnome 3 feature. Doubt if
Mate has it.
7:23 a.m.
On 12/20/2013 05:43 AM, Ahmad Samir wrote:
On 20 December 2013 03:05, Robert Moskowitz
<rgm(a)htt-consult.com> wrote:
> On 12/19/2013 07:45 PM, "Germán A. Racca" wrote:
>> On 12/19/2013 09:32 PM, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
>>>
>>> On 12/19/2013 07:16 PM, "Germán A. Racca" wrote:
>>>> On 12/19/2013 07:22 PM, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> On 12/19/2013 08:35 AM, Alexander Volovics wrote:
>>>>>> On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 08:05:49AM -0500, Robert Moskowitz
wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Confirm
>>>>>>>> used dconf-editor instead to set the overrides and now
those entries
>>>>>>>> appear within gedit.
>>>>>>> What did you change? I just went through all of dconf-editor
listed
>>>>>>> items and did not recognize anything to change that would
turn on
>>>>>>> settings/preferences in gedit let alone directly turn off
word wrap.
>>>>>> When you open gedit in Fed20 + Gnome-3.10 a gedit icon appears in
the
>>>>>> top bar. If you click on this and choose 'preferences'
you will see
>>>>>> under 'Text Wrapping' the entries: 'enable text
wrapping' and 'do not
>>>>>> split words over two lines'. Is this what you are looking
for.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I assume you are using standard Gnome-3.10 and not "classic
mode".
>>>>>> I know nothing about "classic mode" (don't use
it).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is this icon not visible in your install?
>>>>>
>>>>> Fresh install. Have not applied the updates yet.
>>>>
>>>> Please, do it right now.
>>>>
>>>>> I see that gedit icon
>>>>> on the top bar once gedit is running. It has a down arrow right
next
>>>>> to
>>>>> it. I assume that lets me switch between copies of gedit if more
than
>>>>> one is open.
>>>>
>>>> Why don't you try instead of assume? The down arrow is not for
>>>> switching between different copies of the same application, but for a
>>>> drop down menu. You should click on it to see its behavior by
>>>> yourself, it is cheap!!
>>>
>>> I DID try clicking on the arrow and nothing happened. Since I only had
>>> one gedit opened, I tried to figure it out. Now that you say this is
>>> what it does, I realized where I MAY be having troubles. I am in
>>> terminal, sued, and running gedit to edit the yum.conf.d files! So I
>>> opened terminal regular and ran gedit & and sure enough it works and I
>>> can set preferences no problem for ME and turn off word wrap.
>>>
>>> But I cannot do it for root's use of gedit to edit config files. :(
>>
>> You are right about this, because I opened /etc/yum.conf with gedit using
>> sudo and I'm not able to open the drop down menu. Maybe this behavior is
>> intentional, but I'm not sure.
>
> So, I should give it a try and just put up with the wrapping. Afterall vi
> wraps, but actually does it smarter.
>
> I can see why, as the top bar is running as ME and should NOT let ME set
> preferences for gedit as root. But that begs the question on HOW to change
> the preferences for root.
>
I tested and yes the AppMenu doesn't show for apps run as root.
As I posted before, you can force apps run under gnome-shell to show
all their menus in their own windows and not rely on AppMenu by
running this command as user in terminal:
gsettings set org.gnome.settings-daemon.plugins.xsettings overrides
"{'Gtk/ShellShowsAppMenu': <0>}"
OK. I did not follow you before that this was a command to run. Just
did not look close enough at what you wrote.
So I ran this in a terminal as root then ran gedit as the next command
and AppMenu is not in gedit. It is still on the top bar, not usable.
So I am still not following this.
(or by using dconf-editor).
I did try dconf-editor, but can't figure out where it is in the tree.
9:03 a.m.
On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 11:38 AM, Robert Moskowitz <rgm(a)htt-consult.com>wrote:
You mean like lowering inittab to 3, logging in as root, then
running
startx so you can get the full root gui experience?
No, I mean logging into the desktop as root rather than as a normal user.
This is generally frowned on.
poc
4:43 a.m.
On 20 December 2013 03:05, Robert Moskowitz <rgm(a)htt-consult.com> wrote:
On 12/19/2013 07:45 PM, "Germán A. Racca" wrote:
>
> On 12/19/2013 09:32 PM, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
>>
>>
>> On 12/19/2013 07:16 PM, "Germán A. Racca" wrote:
>>>
>>> On 12/19/2013 07:22 PM, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 12/19/2013 08:35 AM, Alexander Volovics wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 08:05:49AM -0500, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Confirm
>>>>>>> used dconf-editor instead to set the overrides and now those
entries
>>>>>>> appear within gedit.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What did you change? I just went through all of dconf-editor
listed
>>>>>> items and did not recognize anything to change that would turn
on
>>>>>> settings/preferences in gedit let alone directly turn off word
wrap.
>>>>>
>>>>> When you open gedit in Fed20 + Gnome-3.10 a gedit icon appears in
the
>>>>> top bar. If you click on this and choose 'preferences' you
will see
>>>>> under 'Text Wrapping' the entries: 'enable text
wrapping' and 'do not
>>>>> split words over two lines'. Is this what you are looking for.
>>>>>
>>>>> I assume you are using standard Gnome-3.10 and not "classic
mode".
>>>>> I know nothing about "classic mode" (don't use it).
>>>>>
>>>>> Is this icon not visible in your install?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Fresh install. Have not applied the updates yet.
>>>
>>>
>>> Please, do it right now.
>>>
>>>> I see that gedit icon
>>>> on the top bar once gedit is running. It has a down arrow right next
>>>> to
>>>> it. I assume that lets me switch between copies of gedit if more than
>>>> one is open.
>>>
>>>
>>> Why don't you try instead of assume? The down arrow is not for
>>> switching between different copies of the same application, but for a
>>> drop down menu. You should click on it to see its behavior by
>>> yourself, it is cheap!!
>>
>>
>> I DID try clicking on the arrow and nothing happened. Since I only had
>> one gedit opened, I tried to figure it out. Now that you say this is
>> what it does, I realized where I MAY be having troubles. I am in
>> terminal, sued, and running gedit to edit the yum.conf.d files! So I
>> opened terminal regular and ran gedit & and sure enough it works and I
>> can set preferences no problem for ME and turn off word wrap.
>>
>> But I cannot do it for root's use of gedit to edit config files. :(
>
>
> You are right about this, because I opened /etc/yum.conf with gedit using
> sudo and I'm not able to open the drop down menu. Maybe this behavior is
> intentional, but I'm not sure.
So, I should give it a try and just put up with the wrapping. Afterall vi
wraps, but actually does it smarter.
I can see why, as the top bar is running as ME and should NOT let ME set
preferences for gedit as root. But that begs the question on HOW to change
the preferences for root.
I tested and yes the AppMenu doesn't show for apps run as root.
As I posted before, you can force apps run under gnome-shell to show
all their menus in their own windows and not rely on AppMenu by
running this command as user in terminal:
gsettings set org.gnome.settings-daemon.plugins.xsettings overrides
"{'Gtk/ShellShowsAppMenu': <0>}"
(or by using dconf-editor).
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