On 06/16/2013 07:21 AM, Tim wrote: I have never used SAMBA....but I've always been told (by Windows admins no less!...LOL!) that it was the easiest thing in the world to use....is it not so?.... EGO II

On 06/18/2013 12:53 AM, Tim wrote: Well thanks for the info! Time to hit the web and do some serious research! Cheers! EGO II

On 06/16/2013 10:23 PM, Tim wrote: WOW!....going off of those statements....then why is SAMBA still around?,,,I always thought the Open Source Universe was about finding and using software that "Just Worked"?...hmm.....gonna have to look into this stuff! EGO II

Allegedly, on or about 15 June 2013, Doug sent: A printer doesn't have to respond to pings, it only has to print. It may respond to pings, but the network name you see on the command line, if there is one, is how your computer has resolved the IP to a name. If you want to have a hostname associated with that IP, then either put it into your /etc/hosts file, or into your DNS server (if you have one). And, the printer will need to stay fixed to the same IP. -- [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -rsvp Linux 3.8.13-100.fc17.x86_64 #1 SMP Mon May 13 13:36:17 UTC 2013 x86_64 All mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted, there is no point trying to privately email me, I will only read messages posted to the public lists. George Orwell's '1984' was supposed to be a warning against tyranny, not a set of instructions for supposedly democratic governments.

Allegedly, on or about 15 June 2013, Fred Smith sent: I've always found dealing with Samba's shenanigans much more effort than configuring Windows to print to a printer using HTTP/IPP (i.e. CUPS). Quite apart from the mess that you need to deal with to get a printer going through Samba, it's yet another thing in the middle, and it's completely unnecessary. -- [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -rsvp Linux 3.8.13-100.fc17.x86_64 #1 SMP Mon May 13 13:36:17 UTC 2013 x86_64 All mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted, there is no point trying to privately email me, I will only read messages posted to the public lists. George Orwell's '1984' was supposed to be a warning against tyranny, not a set of instructions for supposedly democratic governments.

On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 09:25:55PM +0200, Timothy Murphy wrote: Samba would be useful if you had windoze machines on the network that wanted to use the printer, assuming wanted to share it out from a linux box. -- ---- Fred Smith -- fredex(a)fcshome.stoneham.ma.us ----------------------------- The eyes of the Lord are everywhere, keeping watch on the wicked and the good. ----------------------------- Proverbs 15:3 (niv) -----------------------------

Mark LaPierre wrote: I should have said that it is too far from the server for a direct USB connection. Incidentally, why would I need to use Samba? At present, I just carry my laptop to the printer, which is not too onerous. I just wondered if there was a simple alternative, but it seems not.

On 06/15/2013 09:21 AM, Fred Smith wrote: Or, you could plug it into a USB port on your computer and share it with the network with Samba for no money. -- _ °v° /(_)\ ^ ^ Mark LaPierre Registered Linux user No #267004 https://linuxcounter.net/ ****

On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 07:43:02PM +0930, Tim wrote: Asus RT-N16 apparently supports that configuration, though I have no need to use mine for that since my printer is already networked. YMMV. alternatively, if you don't mind spending a little money, you might look around for a HP JetDirect add-on card for your printer. -- ---- Fred Smith -- fredex(a)fcshome.stoneham.ma.us ----------------------------- The Lord is like a strong tower. Those who do what is right can run to him for safety. --------------------------- Proverbs 18:10 (niv) -----------------------------

Allegedly, on or about 17 June 2013, Eddie G. O'Connor Jr. sent: When it comes to interfacing your open source, open standards OS, with a closed source, non-standard, ever-changing-standards, OS, implementing something that works is a serious challenge. It's the evil side of the equation that's the real problem. But you're trying to bridge together two systems that work in fundamentally different ways. So you've got to do things to handle the differences, or lose out where there is no direct equivalent, and put up with annoying workarounds. File and directory permissions are one thing. The evil OS doesn't have execute permissions, so the simplistic solution is to treat all files as if the execute permission is set. That has annoying repercussions. Some of the evil OS distributions had no concept of different users, so everyfile was available to anyone. Or no direct way of dealing with a file owned by me, with different r/w permissions for a usergroup, and different r/w permissions for other users. So file permissions get mangled into dopey defaults as they pass from one system to another. User accounts are handled differently on each computer, so you need some point of translation that "tim" on Linux is "Tim" on Windows. Or perhaps "tim" on Windows is "ts1201" on Linux, to be even more painful. Windows SMB depends on a machine being in charge (the browse master), that machine handles identifying which machine is which amongst all of the clients. They hold an election between all machines on the LAN, to see who's the biggest and best, and that one wins. If another machine joins the network, an election gets held again. If a machine leaves the network (or drops off, leaving everyone else in the lurch, since it doesn't have any concept of actually logging off), the rest of the clients can get left in limbo for a quarter of an hour before another browser master takes over. It gets worse if anybody's IP changed in the meantime, because you can't just simply find it a that the same IP you used previously. I've watched people end up having to reboot every Windows box on a LAN just to get Windows file sharing working again. To quote part of an internet meme, it's designed by frickin' idiots. The underlying system that Samba lets us access is a complete mess, like everything that Microsoft does. If they ever did anything in a sensible, and user-friendly manner, it'd be a shock. So, I avoid it like the plague. I see no point in going through hell trying to configure Samba to print, when I can simply configure the Windows nuisance box to use the CUPS server, directly. And it can be easier to install a NFS client on Windows to access a Linux file server, than mess around with Samba. Using Windows is as much fun as going to the dentist. -- [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -rsvp Linux 3.8.13-100.fc17.x86_64 #1 SMP Mon May 13 13:36:17 UTC 2013 x86_64 All mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted, there is no point trying to privately email me, I will only read messages posted to the public lists. George Orwell's '1984' was supposed to be a warning against tyranny, not a set of instructions for supposedly democratic governments.