Linuxguy123 <linuxguy123 <at> gmail.com> writes: That's not true: All packages in Intrepid containing "kdebase": http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=kdebase&searchon=names&... -> only 4.1.2 stuff, no KDE 3 stuff! All packages in Intrepid containing "kde3": http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=kde3&searchon=names&su... -> only some bindings, no apps. So where's the KDE 3 you're talking about? Ubuntu Intrepid Ibex DOES NOT INCLUDE KDE 3! See also the link posted by Sebastian Vahl: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/KDE3-KDE4Migration which is very clear on this. Because they just released it! Fedora 10 will also have 2.6.27 at release time. A 2.6.27 update for Fedora 9 has been built in Koji, I'm sure it will hit updates-testing soon. It's a different thing to release a new distro with a new kernel, where the betas have been tracking the betas of the kernel all this time, than to update an existing distro to the new kernel version. Fedora is actually one of the few distributions even doing the latter. You're just being impatient (while at the same time complaining that KDE is too new), 2.6.27 WILL be pushed to F9. The "KDE-3.5.10 decision" you're talking about is completely imaginary, they actually made the exact same decision we did (not to ship KDE 3 anymore)! So their ACTUAL decision on KDE 3.5.10 actually proves the exact opposite of your point (i.e. that we did the right thing). They are just hard facts. That said, even Kubuntu which primarily targets new users now decided NOT to ship KDE 3. To stay with your analogy, you're the liar messenger who is relaying a false message, so of course you will be proverbially "executed" (in the sense of "shooting the messenger") for it. ;-) The "don't shoot the messenger" saying only makes sense when you're really just relaying a truthful message, it doesn't excuse spreading FUD. Next time please check the facts before pulling up an argumentation entirely based on incorrect information, otherwise you're just wasting everyone's time. Kevin Kofler

Linuxguy123 <linuxguy123 <at> gmail.com> writes: [snip] That's just the usual incorrect information in a badly-researched article. NEVER believe a random newspaper / news site article, always check facts before building up your entire argumentation on them. You can only trust what the actual developers say, and what they say is clear: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/KDE3-KDE4Migration If you still don't believe me, try to find KDE 3 for Intrepid on packages.ubuntu.com or on the Kubuntu images and come back when you found it (i.e. never :-p). Kevin Kofler

Linuxguy123 wrote: Hi I think you are comparing 2 different things. You should compare Fedora 9 with Ubuntu 8.04, and ibex with Fedora 10. I use F10 and the kernel is 2.6.27. I don't know about KDE because I use Gnome. Marcelo

On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 4:02 PM, Matthew Flaschen <matthew.flaschen(a)gatech.edu&gt; wrote: More importantly, trying to please people who didn't care enough to attend the public meeting and discuss this before hand has got to be a fairly low priority when it comes to work intensive decisions like this. -- Fedora 9 : sulphur is good for the skin ( www.pembo13.com )

Les Mikesell wrote: As shown by the size of this mailing list, plenty of users do want Fedora. But trying to please everyone is always futile. Matt Flaschen

Matthew Flaschen wrote: McDonald's has a price factor that might make it attractive - and they give away toys. When the choice is among free linux distributions, what is the point of making one into something users don't want? -- Les Mikesell lesmikesell(a)gmail.com

Ralf Corsepius wrote: http://zonker.opensuse.org/2008/10/17/right-call-on-kde-3x-for-opensuse-111/ Of course, kudos to Opensuse too for having the manpower (and guts) to support that. Their kde team is top notch. -- Rex

On Thu, 2008-10-30 at 10:56 -0400, Linuxguy123 wrote: |================================| | | | Please don't feed | | the troll. | | Thank you | | | |================================| || || || || ---------------------------------- "The subject says it all..." - Gilboa

Am Thu, 30 Oct 2008 10:56:38 -0400 schrieb Linuxguy123 <linuxguy123(a)gmail.com&gt;: I've not checked it but this seems not to be true: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/KDE3-KDE4Migration """ Will 8.10 include KDE 3? 8.10 will only include KDE 4 as its desktop. KDE 3 will not be available. As the code-name suggests, Intrepid is intended as a deliberately cutting edge release, if you would rather stay with what you know 8.04 continues to be fully supported. The development team decided that time and manpower considerations as well as the probable(possible) lack of further 3.5x releases prevent them from maintaining 2 separate versions, and KDE 4 was chosen as the version to move forward with. """ Believe me, that isn't true either. And as it was said in an earlier thread (IIRC): Join the KDE-SIG, offer your help, raise your voice, get participated (in a way you want to or being able to) and you will finally see this for yourself. Sebastian

Linuxguy123 wrote: To be clear: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/KDE4FAQ Early F-9 development time-frame, based primarily on what upstream supports, available man-power, and experience, the Fedora-KDE SIG reached a unanimous conclusion that it was simply not realistically feasible to implement and support 2 kde desktops. (hmm... nice little sound-bite, I should add that to the aforemenioned FAQ) and good for Ubuntu! They also have my pity for trying to support the mess it creates. I've repeatedly advocated if there were any enterprising folks willing to put in the time and hard work to make KDE3 work alongside KDE4, by all means, go for it. I'd even be willing to offer advice and a little help. But, knowing how hard it would be, I (and most of the existing Fedora-KDE SIG) choose not to go there ourselves. -- Rex

On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 9:56 AM, Linuxguy123 <linuxguy123(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: What's your point? I have kernel 2.6.27 from the Fedora repos, what's your point? That's nice. Not at all true, but nice that you think that. It's a community distro, the people who put in the effort always get to decide. You're being a waste of time now. -- Fedora 9 : sulphur is good for the skin ( www.pembo13.com )