We all know about the 4k/8k kernels, etc, but there are a few of us still having problems, even though everything's supposed to work. I happened to stumble on the problem, and it's very easy. I've installed 5336 for a while, there was hope that it would work without a lot of sketchy howto's and kernel re-compilations. So it was still there when I installed 6106. Upon some research into the logfiles (/var/log/Xforg.log) or whatever it's called these days, I noticed that it was loading the 5336 _module_ even though I'd installed the 6106 driver today. You must _remove_ all of the 5336, before installing the latest driver...for some reason it's version of an 'upgrade' isn't bug free. But for the first time I'm running on the new module and will soon test out the 3D stuff....I just wanted to post my findings 'cause I know a lot of people are jonesing for some UT/ET/Tuxcart/etc. Checking 3d performance.....YES. Not only operational, but seemingly better than before! :) If this helps you, I'll be so happy. Good luck with it! -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Brian Fahrländer Christian, Conservative, and Technomad Evansville, IN http://www.fahrlander.net ICQ 5119262 AIM: WheelDweller ------------------------------------------------------------------------