9:16 a.m.
Dear All,
Thank you for reading my message. I have to upgrade three linux boxes,
that are FC3,4 and 6. Now, the problem that I have is that these
machines have other services running on them, and I do not want to break
anything.
All three servers are in two collocation facilities, and I believe that
the safest method, is to move all services off from the machines, and
also remove all software to make the machines as stock as possible. I
then plan to run yum upgrade a few times until I'm up to date with the
repo, and then follow that with a yum upgrade - rinse, and repeat until
I'm at FC8 - I'll wait until 11 is in beta before I move forward to FC9.
I would appreciate any help or comments that you have.
Thank you.
---
Mr Gabriel
9:20 a.m.
Gabriel - IP Guys wrote:
Dear All,
Thank you for reading my message. I have to upgrade three linux boxes,
that are FC3,4 and 6. Now, the problem that I have is that these
machines have other services running on them, and I do not want to break
anything.
All three servers are in two collocation facilities, and I believe that
the safest method, is to move all services off from the machines, and
also remove all software to make the machines as stock as possible. I
then plan to run yum upgrade a few times until I'm up to date with the
repo, and then follow that with a yum upgrade - rinse, and repeat until
I'm at FC8 - I'll wait until 11 is in beta before I move forward to FC9.
I would appreciate any help or comments that you have.
I'm not sure I would do 'yum upgrade'. But, with the systems being
remote I don't know what other options there are on systems that old.
I've got several systems I've upgraded (via media) from FC2 up to F9
without trouble.
--
Frustra laborant quotquot se calculationibus fatigant pro inventione
quadraturae circuli
Mark Haney
Sr. Systems Administrator
ERC Broadband
(828) 350-2415
Call (866) ERC-7110 for after hours support
11:16 a.m.
On Thu, Apr 02, 2009 at 10:20:32 -0400,
Mark Haney <mhaney(a)ercbroadband.org> wrote:
Gabriel - IP Guys wrote:
> Dear All,
>
> Thank you for reading my message. I have to upgrade three linux boxes,
> that are FC3,4 and 6. Now, the problem that I have is that these
> machines have other services running on them, and I do not want to break
> anything.
>
> All three servers are in two collocation facilities, and I believe that
> the safest method, is to move all services off from the machines, and
> also remove all software to make the machines as stock as possible. I
> then plan to run yum upgrade a few times until I'm up to date with the
> repo, and then follow that with a yum upgrade - rinse, and repeat until
> I'm at FC8 - I'll wait until 11 is in beta before I move forward to FC9.
> I would appreciate any help or comments that you have.
I'm not sure I would do 'yum upgrade'. But, with the systems being
remote I don't know what other options there are on systems that old.
I've got several systems I've upgraded (via media) from FC2 up to F9
without trouble.
Doing remote yum upgrades has a significant risk of leaving a machine
in a state where it cannot reboot without intention. In particular
some of the mkinitrd stuff doesn't work well when run under a kernel
signicantly different then the one its building an initrd for.
At the very least have a plan for what you are going to do if things
go fubar during the updates.
11:29 a.m.
-----Original Message-----
From: fedora-list-bounces(a)redhat.com [mailto:fedora-list-
bounces(a)redhat.com] On Behalf Of Mark Haney
Sent: 02 April 2009 15:21
To: Community assistance, encouragement,and advice for using Fedora.
Subject: Re: Fedora 3, 4 and 6 - Remote Upgrade Advice?
Gabriel - IP Guys wrote:
> Dear All,
>
> Thank you for reading my message. I have to upgrade three linux
boxes,
> that are FC3,4 and 6. Now, the problem that I have is that these
> machines have other services running on them, and I do not want to
break
> anything.
I'm not sure I would do 'yum upgrade'. But, with the systems being
remote I don't know what other options there are on systems that old.
I've got several systems I've upgraded (via media) from FC2 up to F9
without trouble.
I think the best thing for me to do, is to build an FC3 machine, and
attempt to upgrade it - that may be the best option for me. At least I
should get some results, and know that it can be done. I don't want to
attempt a jump from FC3 to FC9, only to find that I really f'd up my
systems. *excuse the language!* I think I'll have to remove mission
critical stuff first, because I don't need the headache of restoring a
system that I can't get to! But at least I know that I can try to do an
upgrade from FC3 to FC9 - and it should work, at least via media.
11:50 a.m.
If you have access to some VMs (for testing), I would recommend using
kickstart over yum. This is mostly for the initrd issue mentioned below.
You make your installation media available over the network (http or nfs
etc), grab the kernel and initrd from the CD (usually
/isolinux/initrd.img and /isolinux/vmlinuz) then add a grub entry that
looks something like:
title FC kickstart
root (hd0,0)
kernel /vmlinuz ip=192.168.0.1 gateway=192.168.0.0
dns=192.168.0.0 netmask=255.255.255.0 ksdevice=eth0 hostname=something
ks=http://192.168.0.10/your_kickstart_file.ks keymap=uk
initrd /initrd.img
and host a kickstart file that looks like:
url --url=http://192.168.0.10/FC9DVD/
network --device eth0 --bootproto static --ip 192.168.0.1 --netmask
255.255.255.0 --gateway 192.168.0.0 --nameserver 192.168.0.0 --hostname
something
upgrade
Then reboot =)
Check out the anaconda documentation but this method has worked like a
charm in the past.....
-----Original Message-----
From: fedora-list-bounces(a)redhat.com
[mailto:fedora-list-bounces@redhat.com] On Behalf Of Gabriel - IP Guys
Sent: 02 April 2009 17:29
To: Community assistance, encouragement,and advice for using Fedora.
Subject: RE: Fedora 3, 4 and 6 - Remote Upgrade Advice?
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fedora-list-bounces(a)redhat.com [mailto:fedora-list-
> bounces(a)redhat.com] On Behalf Of Mark Haney
> Sent: 02 April 2009 15:21
> To: Community assistance, encouragement,and advice for using Fedora.
> Subject: Re: Fedora 3, 4 and 6 - Remote Upgrade Advice?
>
> Gabriel - IP Guys wrote:
> > Dear All,
> >
> > Thank you for reading my message. I have to upgrade three linux
> boxes,
> > that are FC3,4 and 6. Now, the problem that I have is that these
> > machines have other services running on them, and I do not want to
> break
> > anything.
>
> I'm not sure I would do 'yum upgrade'. But, with the systems being
> remote I don't know what other options there are on systems
that old.
> I've got several systems I've upgraded (via media) from FC2 up to F9
> without trouble.
I think the best thing for me to do, is to build an FC3 machine, and
attempt to upgrade it - that may be the best option for me. At least I
should get some results, and know that it can be done. I don't want to
attempt a jump from FC3 to FC9, only to find that I really f'd up my
systems. *excuse the language!* I think I'll have to remove mission
critical stuff first, because I don't need the headache of restoring a
system that I can't get to! But at least I know that I can
try to do an
upgrade from FC3 to FC9 - and it should work, at least via media.
--
fedora-list mailing list
fedora-list(a)redhat.com
To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Guidelines:
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
11:58 a.m.
On Thursday 02 April 2009 09:20:32 am Mark Haney wrote:
Gabriel - IP Guys wrote:
> Dear All,
>
> Thank you for reading my message. I have to upgrade three linux boxes,
> that are FC3,4 and 6. Now, the problem that I have is that these
> machines have other services running on them, and I do not want to break
> anything.
>
> All three servers are in two collocation facilities, and I believe that
> the safest method, is to move all services off from the machines, and
> also remove all software to make the machines as stock as possible. I
> then plan to run yum upgrade a few times until I'm up to date with the
> repo, and then follow that with a yum upgrade - rinse, and repeat until
> I'm at FC8 - I'll wait until 11 is in beta before I move forward to FC9.
> I would appreciate any help or comments that you have.
I'm not sure I would do 'yum upgrade'. But, with the systems being
remote I don't know what other options there are on systems that old.
I've got several systems I've upgraded (via media) from FC2 up to F9
without trouble.
you can setup grub with the initrd and kernel image from the installer. you
will need to pass all the arguments that you need on the boot line to get to
the point that you can connect via vnc. including password since you are
going over the internet. then you could do an install using install media. I
have done this in the past. you only get one shot at the install. especially
if you do a clean install.
Dennis
6:15 p.m.
Gabriel - IP Guys wrote:
repo, and then follow that with a yum upgrade - rinse, and repeat
until
I'm at FC8 - I'll wait until 11 is in beta before I move forward to FC9.
Not a good plan, FC8 is already no longer updated (not even with security
fixes), and F9 will follow soon. You should upgrade all the way to F10. And
you should also not expect to keep it as long as you kept FC3, you're just
asking for your machine to get broken into by running ancient software with
many known unpatched security issues!
Fedora is designed to be upgraded at least once a year (preferably once
every 6 months), if that's not OK for you, you're using the wrong
distribution.
Kevin Kofler
2:30 p.m.
Kevin Kofler wrote:
Gabriel - IP Guys wrote:
> repo, and then follow that with a yum upgrade - rinse, and repeat until
> I'm at FC8 - I'll wait until 11 is in beta before I move forward to FC9.
Not a good plan, FC8 is already no longer updated (not even with security
fixes), and F9 will follow soon. You should upgrade all the way to F10. And
you should also not expect to keep it as long as you kept FC3, you're just
asking for your machine to get broken into by running ancient software with
many known unpatched security issues!
Fedora is designed to be upgraded at least once a year (preferably once
every 6 months), if that's not OK for you, you're using the wrong
distribution.
My thought is that you are definitely running the wrong distribution, and
something like CentOS-5.3 would be a vastly better choice for something like
colocation, with everything dead stable but security updates available. Fedora
is a work of art, but occasionally the artist feels like Picasso instead or
DaVinci, and an upgrade may introduce issues best avoid for a remote machine.
I would definitely plan a reinstall rather than an upgrade, for several reasons
including not pulling a lot of upgrade info over the net which will be replaced
later. That's more considerate, more likely to succeed, and faster.
--
Bill Davidsen <davidsen(a)tmr.com>
"We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from
the machinations of the wicked." - from Slashdot
5516
days inactive
5525
days old
7 comments
7 participants
participants (7)
-
Bill Davidsen -
Bruno Wolff III -
Dennis Gilmore -
Gabriel - IP Guys -
Hiren Joshi -
Kevin Kofler -
Mark Haney