9:30 p.m.
I recently installed F10 on a really old computer that previously was
running FC6 (perfectly). The hardware is a Dell 900 Mhz P3, 512 MB
memory (all it will take) and a ancient Nvidia card with a PCI interface
(dog slow).
Everything went well, except for a few quirks and a big problem.
I normally don't use the Fedora kernel, I build a custom kernel from the
latest stable sources at kernel.org. I've been doing this for years on
this box without any problems. Now with F10, I can't compile the kernel,
gcc dies with a segmentation fault and the output tries to tell me
that this must be a hardware or operating system problem. A load of
crap! I booted the FC6 disk and did a successful kernel build, so not a
hardware problem.
I installed the kernel built on the FC6 box, and it works fine with the
F10 system. But I'd really like to get this working without booting FC6
every time a kernel patch is released.
I did build a large software system (nothing as big as the Linux kernel)
on the F10 system and it seems to be working fine, so gcc seems to be
installed properly.
Any hints on how to diagnose this problem will be appreciated.
Regards,
John
11:16 p.m.
g wrote:
Bill Davidsen wrote:
> I have not done it in a few months, but before that I built my own since RH8 and
> FC4 in that series.
i would not say that it is not possible. it is just that because fedora does
customize their software, it is best to stay with fedora source to insure
that compatibility remains.
you would not expect suse or mandrake [extremes] source to be compatibility
with fedora, therefore why should kernel.org?
My F10 box is happily running a kernel.org 2.6.28.2 kernel (even though
I had to build it on an FC6 system and copy it over, but that's another
ongoing story). Same story with my F8, and F7 boxes. My wife's F9 laptop
is running a Fedora kernel.
I personally don't want fedora source to contain any changes that aren't
in the upstream code.
Regards,
John
10:31 p.m.
Bill Davidsen wrote:
I have not done it in a few months, but before that I built my own
since RH8 and
FC4 in that series.
i would not say that it is not possible. it is just that because fedora does
customize their software, it is best to stay with fedora source to insure
that compatibility remains.
you would not expect suse or mandrake [extremes] source to be compatibility
with fedora, therefore why should kernel.org?
--
peace out.
tc,hago.
g
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1:36 p.m.
g wrote:
john wendel wrote:
> I ran KDE on FC6, but I switched to XFCE4 for F10.
lighter weight, which will help for desktop.
> Forgot to mention that I've got a 2GB swap partition. And the box has
> all the latest updates.
i would not use more than 1gb. 'rule of thumb' is twice of ram memory.
somewhere in past, i recall something being bad about using kernel.org
for fedora. just what i do not recall but it had to do with lib's not
playing together well. i may be wrong.
I have not done it in a few months, but before that I built my own since RH8 and
FC4 in that series.
i have never built a kernel for fedora, as it changes too often. but
if
i did, it would be *all* fedora. nothing 'foreign'.
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10:01 p.m.
john wendel wrote:
I ran KDE on FC6, but I switched to XFCE4 for F10.
lighter weight, which will help for desktop.
Forgot to mention that I've got a 2GB swap partition. And the box
has
all the latest updates.
i would not use more than 1gb. 'rule of thumb' is twice of ram memory.
somewhere in past, i recall something being bad about using kernel.org
for fedora. just what i do not recall but it had to do with lib's not
playing together well. i may be wrong.
i have never built a kernel for fedora, as it changes too often. but if
i did, it would be *all* fedora. nothing 'foreign'.
--
peace out.
tc,hago.
g
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10:04 p.m.
David Timms wrote:
john wendel wrote:
> this box without any problems. Now with F10, I can't compile the
> kernel, gcc dies with a segmentation fault and the output tries to
> tell me that
Can you provide the text of the segfault (without that you are asking
for speculation) ?
I'll get this together on Monday when I have access to the box.
Could you try running the compile inside the gdb debugger, install any
debuginfo packages requested, and hopefully be able to get a backtrace ?
Not sure I can wedge gdb into the kernel makefile, but I'll take a look
at it. It doesn't give a complete backtrace, but the output lists the
function that died. I just can't remember the name, though I seem to
recall that it was the same function every time it crashed.
You aren't running out of disk (on certain partitions/lv's) or memory
during the build, are you ?
Definitely not a disk space issue. I suspect that it might be a memory
problem, but I've got a 2GB swap partition.
> I did build a large software system (nothing as big as the Linux
> kernel) on the F10 system and it seems to be working fine, so gcc
> seems to be installed properly.
How long did the "large software system" take to complete ?
This a suite of 7 programs and a set of libraries that take about 10
minutes to compile on FC6 and F10. The kernel compile on FC6 takes about
20 minutes.
How far into the kernel build did it stop (time gcc ...) ?
I'll have to time it, but it dies after building about the first
(apprxoimately) 20 modules. If I run make again, it successfully
compiles the module that it died on, and then segfaults after compiling
another 5 to 10 modules. Repeat make, same behavior. It eventually
finishes the build, but the resulting kernel won't boot.
Same config file builds a working kernel using FC6 (with a much older gcc).
DaveT.
Thanks for your help.
John
9:47 p.m.
john wendel wrote:
this box without any problems. Now with F10, I can't compile the
kernel, gcc dies with a segmentation fault and the output tries to
tell me that
Can you provide the text of the segfault (without that you are asking
for speculation) ?
Could you try running the compile inside the gdb debugger, install any
debuginfo packages requested, and hopefully be able to get a backtrace ?
You aren't running out of disk (on certain partitions/lv's) or memory
during the build, are you ?
I did build a large software system (nothing as big as the Linux
kernel) on the F10 system and it seems to be working fine, so gcc
seems to be installed properly.
How long did the "large software system"
take to complete ?
How far into the kernel build did it stop (time gcc ...) ?
DaveT.
9:44 p.m.
g wrote:
john wendel wrote:
> I recently installed F10 on a really old computer that previously was
> running FC6 (perfectly). The hardware is a Dell 900 Mhz P3, 512 MB
speed may not be a problem, it will just react slowly. 512mb may be a
problem running x server, especially if you try to use kde. can not
comment on gnome.
again, even if it is not a 'live cd', run 'yum update'.
I thought about the X/desktop issues. After the first failure, I
switched to run level 3 (no X) and it failed exactly the same way.
I ran KDE on FC6, but I switched to XFCE4 for F10.
Forgot to mention that I've got a 2GB swap partition. And the box has
all the latest updates.
Regards,
John
9:35 p.m.
john wendel wrote:
I recently installed F10 on a really old computer that previously
was
running FC6 (perfectly). The hardware is a Dell 900 Mhz P3, 512 MB
speed may not be a problem, it will just react slowly. 512mb may be a
problem running x server, especially if you try to use kde. can not
comment on gnome.
again, even if it is not a 'live cd', run 'yum update'.
--
peace out.
tc,hago.
g
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****
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