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cups browser interface changes?

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AV

Thursday, 6 December 2018 Thu, 6 Dec '18

10:42 a.m.

Hello Today I had to use "lpadmin -x" to remove a printer from cups. Didn't there use to be a 'delete printer' option in the 'Administration' drop down menu. It has been quite a few years since I last used cups. AV

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Tom Horsley

Thursday, 6 December Thu, 6 Dec

12:21 p.m.

On Thu, 06 Dec 2018 17:42:22 +0100 AV wrote:

Didn't there use to be a 'delete printer' option in the 'Administration' drop down menu.

Depends on which Administration menu you are looking at :-). I just checked on my system, and there is a front page Administration item which includes "Manage Printers" which gets you to a list of printers and you can click on one to see the details of that printer and it also has an Administration menu which does have a delete item (pant, pant, wheeze...)

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Rick Stevens

1:23 p.m.

On 12/6/18 10:21 AM, Tom Horsley wrote:

On Thu, 06 Dec 2018 17:42:22 +0100 AV wrote: > Didn't there use to be a 'delete printer' option in the > 'Administration' drop down menu. Depends on which Administration menu you are looking at :-). I just checked on my system, and there is a front page Administration item which includes "Manage Printers" which gets you to a list of printers and you can click on one to see the details of that printer and it also has an Administration menu which does have a delete item (pant, pant, wheeze...)

I agree. Convoluted. 1. Browse http://localhost:631 2. Click on the "Administration" tab 3. Click on the "Manage Printers" button under "Printers" 4. Click on the printer you're interested in 5. Click on the "Administration" dropdown menu in that menu 6. The "Delete Printer" option there (3rd item down for me) Sheesh! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- - Rick Stevens, Systems Engineer, AllDigital ricks(a)alldigital.com - - AIM/Skype: therps2 ICQ: 226437340 Yahoo: origrps2 - - - - Diplomacy: The art of saying "Nice doggy!" until you can find a - - big enough rock. - ----------------------------------------------------------------------

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AV

4:33 p.m.

On Thu, 2018-12-06 at 19:23 +0000, Rick Stevens wrote:

On 12/6/18 10:21 AM, Tom Horsley wrote:

> On Thu, 06 Dec 2018 17:42:22 +0100 > AV wrote: > > > Didn't there use to be a 'delete printer' option in the > > 'Administration' drop down menu. > > Depends on which Administration menu you are looking at :-). > I just checked on my system, and there is a front page > Administration item which includes "Manage Printers" which > gets you to a list of printers and you can click on one > to see the details of that printer and it also has > an Administration menu which does have a delete item (pant, > pant, wheeze...) I agree. Convoluted. 1. Browse http://localhost:631 2. Click on the "Administration" tab 3. Click on the "Manage Printers" button under "Printers" 4. Click on the printer you're interested in 5. Click on the "Administration" dropdown menu in that menu 6. The "Delete Printer" option there (3rd item down for me)

1 -> 2 -> 3 -> 4 so far so good. 5 -> tried it but no menu appeared so 6 not possible. This concerns an Epson printer attached by usb cable to an iMac. I use it mostly for photo printing from MacOS (Mojave). I wanted to test the quality of the Epson Linux print drivers under Fedora on my Linux PC. I did not have a long enough usb cable and I didn't want to lug around the PCs. As both PCs are attached to my router by usb cables I turned on the iMac and the printer and then managed to install the printer in Fedora using Cups. The print quality was not as good from Fedora as from MacOS so goodbye Epson drivers, no more printing from Fedora. Could the problem at 5) have been some "Apple" quirk or because the printer was not any longer attached to Fedora or because I had forgotten about Cups and 'removed' the printer from Gnome menu and deleted drivers. AV

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Rick Stevens

5:06 p.m.

On 12/6/18 2:33 PM, AV wrote:

On Thu, 2018-12-06 at 19:23 +0000, Rick Stevens wrote: > On 12/6/18 10:21 AM, Tom Horsley wrote: >> On Thu, 06 Dec 2018 17:42:22 +0100 >> AV wrote: >> >>> Didn't there use to be a 'delete printer' option in the >>> 'Administration' drop down menu. >> >> Depends on which Administration menu you are looking at :-). >> I just checked on my system, and there is a front page >> Administration item which includes "Manage Printers" which >> gets you to a list of printers and you can click on one >> to see the details of that printer and it also has >> an Administration menu which does have a delete item (pant, >> pant, wheeze...) > > I agree. Convoluted. > > 1. Browse http://localhost:631 > 2. Click on the "Administration" tab > 3. Click on the "Manage Printers" button under "Printers" > 4. Click on the printer you're interested in > 5. Click on the "Administration" dropdown menu in that menu > 6. The "Delete Printer" option there (3rd item down for me) > 1 -> 2 -> 3 -> 4 so far so good. 5 -> tried it but no menu appeared so 6 not possible.

The administration dropdown should be the rightmost box in the status screen for the printer you selected in step 4. It should be just to the right of the dropdown "Maintenance" box and should look like "Administration v" (the "v" representing a downward pointing arrow...sorry for the bad ASCII art).

This concerns an Epson printer attached by usb cable to an iMac. I use it mostly for photo printing from MacOS (Mojave). I wanted to test the quality of the Epson Linux print drivers under Fedora on my Linux PC. I did not have a long enough usb cable and I didn't want to lug around the PCs. As both PCs are attached to my router by usb cables I turned on the iMac and the printer and then managed to install the printer in Fedora using Cups. The print quality was not as good from Fedora as from MacOS so goodbye Epson drivers, no more printing from Fedora. Could the problem at 5) have been some "Apple" quirk or because the printer was not any longer attached to Fedora or because I had forgotten about Cups and 'removed' the printer from Gnome menu and deleted drivers.

That's possible. In the status page at step 4, it should show how the printer is (supposedly) connected to your system. If the "Connection" bit has "dnssd:" in it, then it's typically a network (possibly wireless) connection via Bonjour/Avahi. If it has "usb:" in it, it's a direct USB connection, "hp:" indicates an HP JetDirect or hplip network connection, etc. If the printer shows up in CUPS, you SHOULD be able to delete that connection. Note that this would ONLY affect the connection between the Fedora machine and the printer, not the printer itself or any external server it's connected to. Now, if the printer is physically connected to the iMac, then the iMac has to act as a print server (a.k.a. spooler) for the printer and you'd need to have the iMac export the print service for the printer. Then you would get Fedora to look for a "network printer" to use it. If the printer has networking capabilities (e.g. wifi), then you should be able to get at it directly over the network. Again, it'd be a network printer, probably using dnssd (Bonjour/Avahi). If you use the iMac print server, I'm not sure how the iMac would export the printer (IPP, Bonjour, something else perhaps). Perhaps an Apple aficionado here could help. I have an AirBook but rarely use it and certainly never as a print server. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- - Rick Stevens, Systems Engineer, AllDigital ricks(a)alldigital.com - - AIM/Skype: therps2 ICQ: 226437340 Yahoo: origrps2 - - - - Careful! Ugly strikes 9 out of 10 people! - ----------------------------------------------------------------------

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Wolfgang Pfeiffer

Friday, 7 December Fri, 7 Dec

11:05 a.m.

On Thu, Dec 06, 2018 at 11:33:05PM +0100, AV wrote:

On Thu, 2018-12-06 at 19:23 +0000, Rick Stevens wrote: > On 12/6/18 10:21 AM, Tom Horsley wrote: > > On Thu, 06 Dec 2018 17:42:22 +0100 > > AV wrote: > > > > > Didn't there use to be a 'delete printer' option in the > > > 'Administration' drop down menu. > > > > Depends on which Administration menu you are looking at :-). > > I just checked on my system, and there is a front page > > Administration item which includes "Manage Printers" which > > gets you to a list of printers and you can click on one > > to see the details of that printer and it also has > > an Administration menu which does have a delete item (pant, > > pant, wheeze...) > > I agree. Convoluted. > > 1. Browse http://localhost:631 > 2. Click on the "Administration" tab > 3. Click on the "Manage Printers" button under "Printers" > 4. Click on the printer you're interested in > 5. Click on the "Administration" dropdown menu in that menu > 6. The "Delete Printer" option there (3rd item down for me) > 1 -> 2 -> 3 -> 4 so far so good. 5 -> tried it but no menu appeared so 6 not possible.

Permissions problem? Maybe you don't see an Administrator tab anymore when trying to access it as non-root? I don't run printers anymore, so take my notes with the necessary grain of salt - but around ten years ago admin rights were crucial when running CUPS, IIRC. Here's an old page of mine from 2009 that seemed to help me admin printers on Debian, and without having to enter some password a million times - so the important part was, IINM, /etc/cups/cupsd.conf: https://heelsbroke.wordpress.com/2009/05/08/cups-and-cupsd-conf-on-linux/ Good luck! Wolfgang -- "If civilization had been left in female hands, we would still be living in grass huts." Camille Paglia: "Sexual Personae", p.38

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