-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Björn Persson wrote: <snip> "g" wrote: i tried that but type would change in size and i had to squint or lean back to read messages, along with stretching page sides. after going thru a lot of trouble, i have *all* settings to utf-8 and do best i can to figure out what crude is. as an example, you and several others, in some cases, your Björn is as here, in other places, it is an inverse question mark in a 45 degree rotated black square. some places, 'sender' column, it is just ? in 45 box. and i do note that it does depend on where you are sending from. which shows me that you do not have all you email set up same way. [yes, i use <ctrl+u> often] yes, i have been following it. and one of places you have ? boxed in sender. which, all in all, tends to tell me you like to play around. not knocking. just commenting. ;0) - -- tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates.

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Ric Moore wrote: <snip> ok. was feared my recall was on down fall again. - -- tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates.

Il giorno lun, 04/08/2008 alle 10.56 +0200, Dario Lesca ha scritto: Is this the answer? ... but not Flash 8... -- Dario Lesca <d.lesca(a)solinos.it&gt;

On Monday 04 August 2008, Dario Lesca wrote: NoScript? Just a thought. -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) The hardest part of climbing the ladder of success is getting through the crowd at the bottom.

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: <snip> so just what in hell is 'Mir[0xef 0xbf,0xbd]'??? - -- tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates.

"g" wrote: Do you often receive emails that are encoded in UTF-8 but claim to be some other encoding? If not, I suggest that you stop enforcing any particular encoding. Let Thunderbird use the encoding that is specified in each individual message, and all will be good as long as the messages adhere to standards. You may also want to review the thread "Curious characters in Thunderbird on Linux...", started by Kevin Martin last Wednesday, 17:15:13-05:00. Björn Persson

On Sun, 2008-08-03 at 19:40 +0100, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: Did you really lose the configuration setting, or was it still set? If what you've typed only uses the characters as in US-ASCII, then that's all it needs to send as (the first 127 characters of UTF-8 are the same as US-ASCII). Cutting and pasting into mail clients was a common problem with other systems, I don't know how Mutt would handle that. Though I think Fedora handles that all internally in the same way. Unlike some Windows clients, where a copy from a UTF-8 page into a client using Windows-1252 encoding, often went bad, as the copy and paste didn't transcode. -- [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.25.11-97.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists.

Björn Persson g: And that's your problem, the only characters that are compatible with UTF-8, are the US-ASCII ones. After that (character 127), there's differences. You have to use the correct encoding. If you're seeing changes in fonts depending on the encoding used, have a play with your client's font preferences. You might have to manually select font families for different encodings (named after localities, rather than listed as ISO-8859-x specifications, in Thunderbird). You probably want to untick the option to allow messages to use other fonts. Fonts issues are one thing I really dislike about Firefox and Thunderbird, they've convoluted it all to hell, and use *pixel* sizes in a disastrous fashion. -- [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.25.11-97.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists.

On Sun, 2008-08-03 at 09:17 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: I thought that was a trademarked name of a pressure cooker. :) Ric -- ---------------------------------------------------- My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say: "There are two Great Sins in the world... ..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity. Only the former may be overcome." R.I.P. Dad. Linux user# 44256 Sign up at: http://counter.li.org/ http://www.sourceforge.net/projects/oar https://oar.dev.java.net/ Verizon Cell # 336-254-1339 -----------------------------------------------------

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: <snip> glad you did. thank you. now i can go out in back yard, chase off squirrels, and get grass cut. and to you. - -- tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates.

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: <snip> what i see is; glad to see you are still following thread. so, i must ask, did you take offense to how i phrased my question? if so, it was not intended as such and you do have my apologies if i did offend you. - -- tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates.

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Björn Persson wrote: <snip> thanks. 'double grave' did not sound right, but i figured someone who refresh me on it. <snip> yes. 8859 throws up garbage characters just as bad as utf-8, but utf-8 tends to keep it down to 1 or 2. i am up on <ctrl+u>. i do it to a lot of messages that i get to see what mail client is being used and what i am trying to read. rui was using mutt for that one. either he has bee around a while, or does not have his 'x' working. - -- tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates.

On Sunday 03 August 2008 13:20:37 g wrote: g - your encoding is poor. That character was an o with acute accent. Anne

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: <snip> no where that i noticed. i was aware of 'i watch' from a few spanish people i know, but op's 'garbage entry' thru me. your 'Miró' reads just fine. there now a granparadiso which i pulled to see how it looks. - -- tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates.

On Sun, 2008-08-03 at 12:51 +0000, g wrote: This is true. Perhaps the OP used the accent because he thinks the app is named after the Catalan artist Joan Miró, though the site doesn't appear to say this. OTOH, "miro" without an accent is Spanish for "I watch", so who knows? I mailed the devs about it sometime last year (when they changed the name) but they never gave a straight answer. poc

g wrote: # yum install miro works fine. Rahul

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Björn Persson wrote: thank you. i am now pulling *miro* from getmiro.com, which by the way, **does not** use 'acute accent' on their site. - -- tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates.

söndagen den 3 augusti 2008 skrev g: Miro with an acute accent on the o. Björn Persson

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Anne Wilson wrote: <snip> my encoding is not poor. i gave hexadecimal equivalent of what i read in hex editor. so what is program? - -- tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates.

On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 05:51:55PM -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote: You can view YouTube videos with Miró, thus not needing the proprietary flash decoder. As an added value, Miró provides access to a huge network of video (longer than the 24h/day can provide :)) Rui -- Today is Pungenday, the 67th day of Confusion in the YOLD 3174 + No matter how much you do, you never do enough -- unknown + Whatever you do will be insignificant, | but it is very important that you do it -- Gandhi + So let's do it...?

On Thu, 2008-07-31 at 16:00 -0700, Antonio Olivares wrote: If your Firefox is 64-bit, you'll need both 32-bit and 64-bit versions: # yum install libflashsupport libflashsupport.i386 poc

Tim: g: You really are being a fuckwit, aren't you? You obviously have no idea that the email address being used as the "from" address in a mail client can be entered at will. I'm not actually using yahoo, at all. Not to receive the messages, nor to post through. Get a clue. I asked him about that setting because I *could* see the headers, which *were* correct in the first place, not US-ASCII and not UTF-8. -- [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.25.11-97.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists.

Tim: g: It certainly is, if you're going to bitch about other people's emails not rendering intelligibly, as you've done before, when the only thing wrong is that YOU are mangling them. I think this episode is at least the third time that you've moaned about someone's text, when there was nothing wrong with it. Erm, yes it is, when you force the client to believe an encoding is being used, when it really isn't. You were the one seeing mangled text, the rest of us saw it quite fine. The original post was sent correctly. And none of us had to do anything special, at all, to read it properly. Who, the hell, is bg&c??? ;-\ For what it's worth, US-ASCII has always been inadequate, even for plain old English. Yep, despite what many would think, English, itself, uses more than A to Z, 0 to 9, and more than the scant punctuation found on the QWERTY keyboard. Accented words are part of English. When English adopts a word from a foreign country, it keeps it as is. Lazily over time, accented letters lose their accents, but the accented word is still correctly part of the language, and US-ASCII is *useless* for representing it. Ligatures are part of English, ENCYCLOPÆDIA is a correct way to spell the word in the English language, but US-ASCII is *useless* for representing it. And there's a plethora of proper punctuation that US-ASCII cannot do. Of course, everyone must pander to you. Everyone must use the lowest common denominator... I'll give you a hint - a hammer is not a screwdriver. And the name you're trying to say would be José, but US-ASCII is incapable of it, and you're not even close. You probably think voilà is spelt walla, too... The mess of font selection in Mozilla isn't their own fault? You try figuring out what they've done. Something is determined to be Western, or not, depending on whether it used ISO-8859-1, or UTF-8, and/or something else. And they certainly don't give you any easy way to select the same font for all languages, if you happened to have one that could manage. You have to plough through each region, one by one, customising each one individually, if the defaults aren't good. Those who designed Mozilla designed that mess, it IS their fault for such a crappy way of setting fonts. Um, you seem to have missed the POINT about how to set font sizes, pun intended. If the fonts *really* were 16 pixels as the program likes to pretend, on one screen they'd look like flea poo, on another they'd be quite big. Setting font sizes using pixels as the reference point is an incredibly DUMB way to do it, made even more worse by not actually using the pixel as the size (it's scaled, yet still calling itself pixel size). You can see that nasty effect when you do calibrate a system properly, putting the *real* DPI into your configuration (that's the dots per inch that's available to draw with, not something else). Font sizing should be done by a system like points, where you can pick an actual font size, absolutely, and the computer system figures out how many pixels to draw it with. You want 12 point type on page, you ask for it and get it in one go, without diddling up and down trying to find a pixel size that gives you 12 point text. It's made all the more worse when some dingbat web author doesn't understand this, and sets pages with 6 pixel or 60 pixel text, because that looks fine on *their* monitor. Talk about going off on a tangent... Yes, I am razzing you. You left yourself wide open. -- [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.25.11-97.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists.