4:05 p.m.
On 06/18/2015 03:52 PM, Mickey wrote:
Fedora upgrade 20 - 21
Will Fedup do upgrade for KDE ?
Yes. You will need to use the following command:
# fedup --network 21 --product non-product
Regards,
Dan
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Systems Engineer
Fedora Server WG | Fedora KDE WG | Fedora QA Team
Fedora Infrastructure Apprentice
FAS: dmossor IRC: danofsatx
San Antonio, Texas, USA
4:09 p.m.
On 06/18/2015 01:52 PM, Mickey wrote:
Fedora upgrade 20 - 21
Will Fedup do upgrade for KDE ?
It will upgrade everything you have installed, provided that it's from a
properly-configured repository. (As examples, there are special repos
for Adobe and for Google Earth, and if you have them set up, they'll be
included in the upgrade.) Is there a particular reason you thought that
it wouldn't, or are you just trying to be careful?
4:22 p.m.
On 06/18/2015 05:09 PM, Joe Zeff wrote:
On 06/18/2015 01:52 PM, Mickey wrote:
> Fedora upgrade 20 - 21
>
> Will Fedup do upgrade for KDE ?
It will upgrade everything you have installed, provided that it's from
a properly-configured repository. (As examples, there are special
repos for Adobe and for Google Earth, and if you have them set up,
they'll be included in the upgrade.) Is there a particular reason you
thought that it wouldn't, or are you just trying to be careful?
Trying to be careful.
4:32 p.m.
On 06/18/2015 02:22 PM, Mickey wrote:
On 06/18/2015 05:09 PM, Joe Zeff wrote:
> On 06/18/2015 01:52 PM, Mickey wrote:
>> Fedora upgrade 20 - 21
>>
>> Will Fedup do upgrade for KDE ?
>
> It will upgrade everything you have installed, provided that it's from
> a properly-configured repository. (As examples, there are special
> repos for Adobe and for Google Earth, and if you have them set up,
> they'll be included in the upgrade.) Is there a particular reason you
> thought that it wouldn't, or are you just trying to be careful?
Trying to be careful.
Good. Make a COMPLETE backup first, then use
$ sudo fedup --product=nonproduct --network 21
Should go fairly well if your F20 is up to date. You may have to wait
for a full moon and shave a goat under it, but you should be OK. :-)
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5:08 p.m.
On 06/18/2015 02:48 PM, Joe Zeff wrote:
On 06/18/2015 02:32 PM, Rick Stevens wrote:
> Should go fairly well if your F20 is up to date. You may have to wait
> for a full moon and shave a goat under it, but you should be OK. :-)
And, just as with getting SCSI to work, always use black candles!
I was on the ANSI SCSI committee back in the day (like 30 years ago) so
I had "special powers" and could get by with dark blue candles and only
having to pluck a live chicken on alternate Tuesdays to get my drives to
work. I still have a bunch of the old 220/330 ohm DIP packs (the blue
ones) to terminate cables if you need any. :-)
I was also incredibly stupid back then, so I mistakenly volunteered and
got stuffed onto the ANSI C committee as well. At least that had the
silliness of PJ Plaugher of Whitesmiths on the committee, too:
Under "Bugs" on the Whitesmiths' C users' guide for "onexit()
(their
library's version of what became "atexit()"):
"The type declarations defy description and are still wrong."
And under "Bugs" for "cpystr()" (their version of
"strcpy()"):
"Forgetting the terminating null is mildly perilous."
PJ was nothing if not, uhm, "clever". :-p
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5:13 p.m.
On 06/18/2015 03:08 PM, Rick Stevens wrote:
I was on the ANSI SCSI committee back in the day (like 30 years ago)
so
I had "special powers" and could get by with dark blue candles and only
having to pluck a live chicken on alternate Tuesdays to get my drives to
work. I still have a bunch of the old 220/330 ohm DIP packs (the blue
ones) to terminate cables if you need any. :-)
For those of you too young to remember, it used to be said that you
needed three terminations to get a SCSI chain to work: one on each end,
plus the goat you had to sacrifice; and always use BLACK candles!
6:09 p.m.
On 06/18/2015 06:08 PM, Rick Stevens wrote:
On 06/18/2015 02:48 PM, Joe Zeff wrote:
> On 06/18/2015 02:32 PM, Rick Stevens wrote:
>> Should go fairly well if your F20 is up to date. You may have to wait
>> for a full moon and shave a goat under it, but you should be OK. :-)
>
> And, just as with getting SCSI to work, always use black candles!
I was on the ANSI SCSI committee back in the day (like 30 years ago) so
I had "special powers" and could get by with dark blue candles and only
having to pluck a live chicken on alternate Tuesdays to get my drives to
work. I still have a bunch of the old 220/330 ohm DIP packs (the blue
ones) to terminate cables if you need any. :-)
I was also incredibly stupid back then, so I mistakenly volunteered and
got stuffed onto the ANSI C committee as well. At least that had the
silliness of PJ Plaugher of Whitesmiths on the committee, too:
Under "Bugs" on the Whitesmiths' C users' guide for "onexit()
(their
library's version of what became "atexit()"):
"The type declarations defy description and are still wrong."
And under "Bugs" for "cpystr()" (their version of
"strcpy()"):
"Forgetting the terminating null is mildly perilous."
PJ was nothing if not, uhm, "clever". :-p
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- AIM/Skype: therps2 ICQ: 226437340 Yahoo: origrps2 -
- -
- "Hello. My PID is Inigo Montoya. You `kill -9'-ed my parent -
- process. Prepare to vi." -
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Rick do you remember the old S100 bus on computers, it was very
important to have the bus terminated ?
6:45 p.m.
On 06/18/2015 04:09 PM, Mickey wrote:
On 06/18/2015 06:08 PM, Rick Stevens wrote:
> On 06/18/2015 02:48 PM, Joe Zeff wrote:
>> On 06/18/2015 02:32 PM, Rick Stevens wrote:
>>> Should go fairly well if your F20 is up to date. You may have to wait
>>> for a full moon and shave a goat under it, but you should be OK. :-)
>>
>> And, just as with getting SCSI to work, always use black candles!
>
> I was on the ANSI SCSI committee back in the day (like 30 years ago) so
> I had "special powers" and could get by with dark blue candles and only
> having to pluck a live chicken on alternate Tuesdays to get my drives to
> work. I still have a bunch of the old 220/330 ohm DIP packs (the blue
> ones) to terminate cables if you need any. :-)
>
> I was also incredibly stupid back then, so I mistakenly volunteered and
> got stuffed onto the ANSI C committee as well. At least that had the
> silliness of PJ Plaugher of Whitesmiths on the committee, too:
>
> Under "Bugs" on the Whitesmiths' C users' guide for "onexit()
(their
> library's version of what became "atexit()"):
>
> "The type declarations defy description and are still wrong."
>
> And under "Bugs" for "cpystr()" (their version of
"strcpy()"):
>
> "Forgetting the terminating null is mildly perilous."
>
> PJ was nothing if not, uhm, "clever". :-p
Rick do you remember the old S100 bus on computers, it was very
important to have the bus terminated ?
Sure do! I had several Altair 8800s. My first one was serial number
3 that I bought directly from Ed Roberts at MITS in Albuquerque.
The motherboards came in 4-slot chunks and you had to jumper them
together with 100 2" long wires. Fully expanded, you had 18 motherboard
slots. Power supply was woefully undersized at only about 12A for the
8V bus. Not nearly enough.
Bus termination wasn't mandatory, but it sure as hell helped. Some
company (can't remember who) developed an active terminator board that
was much better than just passive resistors, but stability also
depended on how well designed the daughter cards were. Some had very
weak bus drivers that couldn't reliably drive the bus once it had a
number of cards on it.
And remember, the fastest processor you could get back then was the
Zilog Z80 at a mind-bending (wait for it......) 4MHz! The standard
Intel 8080 was 2MHz and the 8085 theoretically could run at 3MHz, but I
never saw a stable one at that speed. I did see the LSI 9080 run at 3MHz
pretty solidly, but they were pretty rare.
I also had two IMSAI 8080s (22-slot motherboards), a Polymorphic 88,
a Processor Tech Sol 20, Vector Graphic V80 and lots of others. I had
ASR and KSR 33 teletypes (the ASRs had paper tape punches and readers),
Tarbell cassette adapters, DEC VT100 terminals, ICOM floppies (later
replaced with Micropolis drives when I went to work for them) and lots
of other bits and pieces. This was back in, let's see, 1977 or 1978.
Interesting tidbit: The S100 connector was chosen by Ed Roberts at
MITS because he bought a job lot of them (about 1000) as surplus, dirt
cheap. Since MITS was the first in the industry, that standard stuck.
Weird but true!
And yes, I am that farking old. I fart dust. :-)
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4:31 p.m.
On 06/18/2015 05:15 PM, Temlakos wrote:
On 06/18/2015 04:52 PM, Mickey wrote:
> Fedora upgrade 20 - 21
>
> Will Fedup do upgrade for KDE ?
Sure, it will. But: for the F20 -> F21 upgrade only, you must pass
--product = non-product. Thereafter (say, for F21->F22), just "do it"
without having to pass that flag.
Temlakos
A little confused.
fedup --network 21 --product non-product or fedup --product =
non-product, which one ?
4:35 p.m.
On 06/18/2015 05:31 PM, Mickey wrote:
On 06/18/2015 05:15 PM, Temlakos wrote:
> On 06/18/2015 04:52 PM, Mickey wrote:
>> Fedora upgrade 20 - 21
>>
>> Will Fedup do upgrade for KDE ?
>
> Sure, it will. But: for the F20 -> F21 upgrade only, you must pass
> --product = non-product. Thereafter (say, for F21->F22), just "do it"
> without having to pass that flag.
>
> Temlakos
A little confused.
fedup --network 21 --product non-product or fedup --product =
non-product, which one ?
The first one. Execute
fedup --network21 --product non-product
as a "superuser," then reboot.
Temlakos
4:57 p.m.
On 06/18/2015 05:35 PM, Temlakos wrote:
On 06/18/2015 05:31 PM, Mickey wrote:
>
>
> On 06/18/2015 05:15 PM, Temlakos wrote:
>> On 06/18/2015 04:52 PM, Mickey wrote:
>>> Fedora upgrade 20 - 21
>>>
>>> Will Fedup do upgrade for KDE ?
>>
>> Sure, it will. But: for the F20 -> F21 upgrade only, you must pass
>> --product = non-product. Thereafter (say, for F21->F22), just "do
>> it" without having to pass that flag.
>>
>> Temlakos
>
> A little confused.
>
> fedup --network 21 --product non-product or fedup --product =
> non-product, which one ?
>
The first one. Execute
fedup --network21 --product non-product
as a "superuser," then reboot.
Temlakos
BACKUP!!! , I'm getting the feeling that Fedup isn't trustworthy.
I have customize partitions , a / and a /home partitions .
is this any problem for Fedup ?
I have always done a Fresh Install and never had any problems with my
/home partition because I never formatted it like I did my / partition.
5:02 p.m.
On 06/18/2015 02:57 PM, Mickey wrote:
BACKUP!!! , I'm getting the feeling that Fedup isn't
trustworthy.
Backing up before doing a system upgrade is simply common sense. And,
what you really need to back up is /home. Yes, having on a separate
partition is a good idea, and you can reinstall if needed without
reformatting it, but it's still better to be safe than sorry.
5:07 p.m.
On 06/18/2015 06:02 PM, Joe Zeff wrote:
On 06/18/2015 02:57 PM, Mickey wrote:
> BACKUP!!! , I'm getting the feeling that Fedup isn't trustworthy.
Backing up before doing a system upgrade is simply common sense. And,
what you really need to back up is /home. Yes, having on a separate
partition is a good idea, and you can reinstall if needed without
reformatting it, but it's still better to be safe than sorry.
You do have a point.
6:20 p.m.
On 06/18/2015 05:35 PM, Temlakos wrote:
fedup --network21 --product non-product
ERROR Message;
# fedup --network21 --product non-product
usage: fedup <SOURCE> [options]
fedup: error: argument --product: invalid choice: 'non-product' (choose
from 'server', 'cloud', 'workstation', 'nonproduct')
6:24 p.m.
On 06/18/2015 07:20 PM, Mickey wrote:
On 06/18/2015 05:35 PM, Temlakos wrote:
> fedup --network21 --product non-product
ERROR Message;
# fedup --network21 --product non-product
usage: fedup <SOURCE> [options]
fedup: error: argument --product: invalid choice: 'non-product'
(choose from 'server', 'cloud', 'workstation',
'nonproduct')
Run that again, but take out the hyphen and specify "nonproduct" as one
word.
Temlakos
6:40 p.m.
On 06/18/2015 07:24 PM, Temlakos wrote:
On 06/18/2015 07:20 PM, Mickey wrote:
>
>
> On 06/18/2015 05:35 PM, Temlakos wrote:
>> fedup --network21 --product non-product
>
> ERROR Message;
>
> # fedup --network21 --product non-product
> usage: fedup <SOURCE> [options]
> fedup: error: argument --product: invalid choice: 'non-product'
> (choose from 'server', 'cloud', 'workstation',
'nonproduct')
>
Run that again, but take out the hyphen and specify "nonproduct" as
one word.
Temlakos
# fedup --network 21 nonproduct
usage: fedup <SOURCE> [options]
fedup: error: unrecognized arguments: nonproduct
6:46 p.m.
On 06/18/2015 06:40 PM, Mickey wrote:
On 06/18/2015 07:24 PM, Temlakos wrote:
> On 06/18/2015 07:20 PM, Mickey wrote:
>>
>>
>> On 06/18/2015 05:35 PM, Temlakos wrote:
>>> fedup --network21 --product non-product
>>
>> ERROR Message;
>>
>> # fedup --network21 --product non-product
>> usage: fedup <SOURCE> [options]
>> fedup: error: argument --product: invalid choice: 'non-product'
>> (choose from 'server', 'cloud', 'workstation',
'nonproduct')
>>
>
> Run that again, but take out the hyphen and specify "nonproduct" as
> one word.
>
> Temlakos
# fedup --network 21 nonproduct
usage: fedup <SOURCE> [options]
fedup: error: unrecognized arguments: nonproduct
# fedup --network 21 --product nonproduct
--
Dan Mossor, RHCSA
Systems Engineer
Fedora Server WG | Fedora KDE WG | Fedora QA Team
Fedora Infrastructure Apprentice
FAS: dmossor IRC: danofsatx
San Antonio, Texas, USA
6:46 p.m.
On 06/18/2015 04:40 PM, Mickey wrote:
On 06/18/2015 07:24 PM, Temlakos wrote:
> On 06/18/2015 07:20 PM, Mickey wrote:
>>
>>
>> On 06/18/2015 05:35 PM, Temlakos wrote:
>>> fedup --network21 --product non-product
>>
>> ERROR Message;
>>
>> # fedup --network21 --product non-product
>> usage: fedup <SOURCE> [options]
>> fedup: error: argument --product: invalid choice: 'non-product'
>> (choose from 'server', 'cloud', 'workstation',
'nonproduct')
>>
>
> Run that again, but take out the hyphen and specify "nonproduct" as
> one word.
>
> Temlakos
# fedup --network 21 nonproduct
usage: fedup <SOURCE> [options]
fedup: error: unrecognized arguments: nonproduct
The command is:
fedup --product nonproduct --network 21
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7:17 p.m.
On 06/18/2015 07:46 PM, Rick Stevens wrote:
On 06/18/2015 04:40 PM, Mickey wrote:
>
>
> On 06/18/2015 07:24 PM, Temlakos wrote:
>> On 06/18/2015 07:20 PM, Mickey wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> On 06/18/2015 05:35 PM, Temlakos wrote:
>>>> fedup --network21 --product non-product
>>>
>>> ERROR Message;
>>>
>>> # fedup --network21 --product non-product
>>> usage: fedup <SOURCE> [options]
>>> fedup: error: argument --product: invalid choice: 'non-product'
>>> (choose from 'server', 'cloud', 'workstation',
'nonproduct')
>>>
>>
>> Run that again, but take out the hyphen and specify "nonproduct" as
>> one word.
>>
>> Temlakos
>
> # fedup --network 21 nonproduct
> usage: fedup <SOURCE> [options]
> fedup: error: unrecognized arguments: nonproduct
The command is:
fedup --product nonproduct --network 21
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- -
- I haven't lost my mind. It's backed up on tape somewhere, but -
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FAILURE !!!
Well I guess I will have to back to the old way, Fresh Install.
# fedup --network 21 --product nonproduct
setting up repos...
No upgrade available for the following repos: infinality infinality-noarch
getting boot images...
.treeinfo.signed | 2.2 kB 00:00:00
setting up update...
fedup.yum WARNING: nothing added for fedora-release-nonproduct
finding updates 100%
[================================================================================================================================================]
WARNING: potential problems with upgrade
pdftk-1.44-11.fc19.i686 (no replacement) requires
libgcj-4.8.3-7.fc20.i686 (replaced by libgcc-4.9.2-6.fc21.i686)
pdftk-1.44-11.fc19.i686 (no replacement) requires
itext-2.1.7-21.fc20.i686 (replaced by itext-2.1.7-27.fc21.noarch)
verify local files 100%
[=============================================================================================================================================]
celt-0.11.3-2.fc21.i686.rpm FAILED ] 360 kB/s | 1.4 MB 00:01:05 ETA
libdvdcss-1.3.99-1.fc21.i686.r FAILED
- ] 441 kB/s | 2.4
MB 00:00:50 ETA
app-install-data-postinstaller FAILED
=====================================================-] 316 kB/s | 24
MB 00:00:00 ETA
(1/3): app-install-data-postinstallerf-1.0-13.fc21.noarch.rpm 99%
[==========================================================-] 316 kB/s
| 24 MB 00:00:00 ETA
Downloading failed: Errors were encountered while downloading packages.
libdvdcss-1.3.99-1.fc21.i686: [Errno 256] No more mirrors to try.
app-install-data-postinstallerf-1.0-13.fc21.noarch: [Errno 256] No
more mirrors to try.
celt-0.11.3-2.fc21.i686: [Errno 256] No more mirrors to try.
7:25 p.m.
On 06/19/15 08:17, Mickey wrote:
On 06/18/2015 07:46 PM, Rick Stevens wrote:
> On 06/18/2015 04:40 PM, Mickey wrote:
>>
>>
>> On 06/18/2015 07:24 PM, Temlakos wrote:
>>> On 06/18/2015 07:20 PM, Mickey wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 06/18/2015 05:35 PM, Temlakos wrote:
>>>>> fedup --network21 --product non-product
>>>>
>>>> ERROR Message;
>>>>
>>>> # fedup --network21 --product non-product
>>>> usage: fedup <SOURCE> [options]
>>>> fedup: error: argument --product: invalid choice: 'non-product'
>>>> (choose from 'server', 'cloud', 'workstation',
'nonproduct')
>>>>
>>>
>>> Run that again, but take out the hyphen and specify "nonproduct"
as
>>> one word.
>>>
>>> Temlakos
>>
>> # fedup --network 21 nonproduct
>> usage: fedup <SOURCE> [options]
>> fedup: error: unrecognized arguments: nonproduct
>
> The command is:
>
> fedup --product nonproduct --network 21
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> - Rick Stevens, Systems Engineer, AllDigital ricks(a)alldigital.com -
> - AIM/Skype: therps2 ICQ: 226437340 Yahoo: origrps2 -
> - -
> - I haven't lost my mind. It's backed up on tape somewhere, but -
> - probably not recoverable. -
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
FAILURE !!!
Well I guess I will have to back to the old way, Fresh Install.
# fedup --network 21 --product nonproduct
setting up repos...
No upgrade available for the following repos: infinality infinality-noarch
getting boot images...
.treeinfo.signed | 2.2 kB 00:00:00
setting up update...
fedup.yum WARNING: nothing added for fedora-release-nonproduct
finding updates 100%
[================================================================================================================================================]
WARNING: potential problems with upgrade
pdftk-1.44-11.fc19.i686 (no replacement) requires libgcj-4.8.3-7.fc20.i686 (replaced by
libgcc-4.9.2-6.fc21.i686)
pdftk-1.44-11.fc19.i686 (no replacement) requires itext-2.1.7-21.fc20.i686 (replaced by
itext-2.1.7-27.fc21.noarch)
verify local files 100%
[=============================================================================================================================================]
celt-0.11.3-2.fc21.i686.rpm FAILED ] 360 kB/s | 1.4 MB 00:01:05 ETA
libdvdcss-1.3.99-1.fc21.i686.r FAILED -
] 441 kB/s | 2.4 MB 00:00:50 ETA
app-install-data-postinstaller FAILED
=====================================================-] 316 kB/s | 24 MB 00:00:00 ETA
(1/3): app-install-data-postinstallerf-1.0-13.fc21.noarch.rpm 99%
[==========================================================-] 316 kB/s | 24 MB 00:00:00
ETA
Downloading failed: Errors were encountered while downloading packages.
libdvdcss-1.3.99-1.fc21.i686: [Errno 256] No more mirrors to try.
app-install-data-postinstallerf-1.0-13.fc21.noarch: [Errno 256] No more mirrors to
try.
celt-0.11.3-2.fc21.i686: [Errno 256] No more mirrors to try.
You seem to have several "non-standard" repos enabled. libdvdcss comes from the
remi repository, for example.
You may want to disable all those and try again before doing a reinstall.
--
Sorta what I want to say when folks habitually complain about Fedora -
https://youtu.be/ZArl8fTfub4
7:44 p.m.
On 06/18/2015 08:25 PM, Ed Greshko wrote:
On 06/19/15 08:17, Mickey wrote:
>
> On 06/18/2015 07:46 PM, Rick Stevens wrote:
>> On 06/18/2015 04:40 PM, Mickey wrote:
>>>
>>> On 06/18/2015 07:24 PM, Temlakos wrote:
>>>> On 06/18/2015 07:20 PM, Mickey wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> On 06/18/2015 05:35 PM, Temlakos wrote:
>>>>>> fedup --network21 --product non-product
>>>>> ERROR Message;
>>>>>
>>>>> # fedup --network21 --product non-product
>>>>> usage: fedup <SOURCE> [options]
>>>>> fedup: error: argument --product: invalid choice:
'non-product'
>>>>> (choose from 'server', 'cloud',
'workstation', 'nonproduct')
>>>>>
>>>> Run that again, but take out the hyphen and specify
"nonproduct" as
>>>> one word.
>>>>
>>>> Temlakos
>>> # fedup --network 21 nonproduct
>>> usage: fedup <SOURCE> [options]
>>> fedup: error: unrecognized arguments: nonproduct
>> The command is:
>>
>> fedup --product nonproduct --network 21
>>
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>> - Rick Stevens, Systems Engineer, AllDigital ricks(a)alldigital.com -
>> - AIM/Skype: therps2 ICQ: 226437340 Yahoo: origrps2 -
>> - -
>> - I haven't lost my mind. It's backed up on tape somewhere, but -
>> - probably not recoverable. -
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> FAILURE !!!
> Well I guess I will have to back to the old way, Fresh Install.
>
>
> # fedup --network 21 --product nonproduct
> setting up repos...
> No upgrade available for the following repos: infinality infinality-noarch
> getting boot images...
> .treeinfo.signed | 2.2 kB 00:00:00
> setting up update...
> fedup.yum WARNING: nothing added for fedora-release-nonproduct
> finding updates 100%
[================================================================================================================================================]
> WARNING: potential problems with upgrade
> pdftk-1.44-11.fc19.i686 (no replacement) requires libgcj-4.8.3-7.fc20.i686
(replaced by libgcc-4.9.2-6.fc21.i686)
> pdftk-1.44-11.fc19.i686 (no replacement) requires itext-2.1.7-21.fc20.i686
(replaced by itext-2.1.7-27.fc21.noarch)
> verify local files 100%
[=============================================================================================================================================]
> celt-0.11.3-2.fc21.i686.rpm FAILED ] 360 kB/s | 1.4 MB 00:01:05 ETA
> libdvdcss-1.3.99-1.fc21.i686.r FAILED -
] 441 kB/s | 2.4 MB 00:00:50 ETA
> app-install-data-postinstaller FAILED
=====================================================-] 316 kB/s | 24 MB 00:00:00 ETA
> (1/3): app-install-data-postinstallerf-1.0-13.fc21.noarch.rpm 99%
[==========================================================-] 316 kB/s | 24 MB 00:00:00
ETA
> Downloading failed: Errors were encountered while downloading packages.
> libdvdcss-1.3.99-1.fc21.i686: [Errno 256] No more mirrors to try.
> app-install-data-postinstallerf-1.0-13.fc21.noarch: [Errno 256] No more mirrors to
try.
> celt-0.11.3-2.fc21.i686: [Errno 256] No more mirrors to try.
You seem to have several "non-standard" repos enabled. libdvdcss comes from
the remi repository, for example.
You may want to disable all those and try again before doing a reinstall.
These are all F20 repos, what would they have to do with F21 ?
churchyard-chromium-russianfedora-tested.repo
google-talkplugin.repo
rpmfusion-free.repo
rpmfusion-nonfree-updates.repo
fedora.repo
infinality.repo
rpmfusion-free-updates.repo
rpmfusion-nonfree-updates-testing.repo
fedora-updates.repo
livna.repo
rpmfusion-free-updates-testing.repo
fedora-updates-testing.repo
postinstallerf.repo
rpmfusion-nonfree-rawhide.repo
fedy.repo
7:48 p.m.
On 06/19/15 08:44, Mickey wrote:
On 06/18/2015 08:25 PM, Ed Greshko wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> # fedup --network 21 --product nonproduct
>> setting up repos...
>> No upgrade available for the following repos: infinality infinality-noarch
>> getting boot images...
>> .treeinfo.signed | 2.2 kB 00:00:00
>> setting up update...
>> fedup.yum WARNING: nothing added for fedora-release-nonproduct
>> finding updates 100%
[================================================================================================================================================]
>> WARNING: potential problems with upgrade
>> pdftk-1.44-11.fc19.i686 (no replacement) requires libgcj-4.8.3-7.fc20.i686
(replaced by libgcc-4.9.2-6.fc21.i686)
>> pdftk-1.44-11.fc19.i686 (no replacement) requires itext-2.1.7-21.fc20.i686
(replaced by itext-2.1.7-27.fc21.noarch)
>> verify local files 100%
[=============================================================================================================================================]
>> celt-0.11.3-2.fc21.i686.rpm FAILED ] 360 kB/s | 1.4 MB 00:01:05 ETA
>> libdvdcss-1.3.99-1.fc21.i686.r FAILED -
] 441 kB/s | 2.4 MB 00:00:50 ETA
>> app-install-data-postinstaller FAILED
=====================================================-] 316 kB/s | 24 MB 00:00:00 ETA
>> (1/3): app-install-data-postinstallerf-1.0-13.fc21.noarch.rpm 99%
[==========================================================-] 316 kB/s | 24 MB 00:00:00
ETA
>> Downloading failed: Errors were encountered while downloading packages.
>> libdvdcss-1.3.99-1.fc21.i686: [Errno 256] No more mirrors to try.
>> app-install-data-postinstallerf-1.0-13.fc21.noarch: [Errno 256] No more
mirrors to try.
>> celt-0.11.3-2.fc21.i686: [Errno 256] No more mirrors to try.
> You seem to have several "non-standard" repos enabled. libdvdcss comes
from the remi repository, for example.
>
> You may want to disable all those and try again before doing a reinstall.
>
These are all F20 repos, what would they have to do with F21 ?
churchyard-chromium-russianfedora-tested.repo
google-talkplugin.repo
rpmfusion-free.repo
rpmfusion-nonfree-updates.repo
fedora.repo
infinality.repo
rpmfusion-free-updates.repo
rpmfusion-nonfree-updates-testing.repo
fedora-updates.repo
livna.repo
rpmfusion-free-updates-testing.repo
fedora-updates-testing.repo
postinstallerf.repo
rpmfusion-nonfree-rawhide.repo
fedy.repo
fedup tries to update from all enabled repos.
I would disable
churchyard-chromium-russianfedora-tested.repo
google-talkplugin.repo
infinality.repo
livna.repo
postinstallerf.repo
fedy.repo
and try again. rpmfusion is pretty good at keeping their stuff up-to-date and in good
shape so I would leave those enabled.
--
Sorta what I want to say when folks habitually complain about Fedora -
https://youtu.be/ZArl8fTfub4
4:38 a.m.
On Thu, 2015-06-18 at 19:20 -0400, Mickey wrote:
On 06/18/2015 05:35 PM, Temlakos wrote:
> fedup --network21 --product non-product
ERROR Message;
# fedup --network21 --product non-product
usage: fedup <SOURCE> [options]
fedup: error: argument --product: invalid choice: 'non-product'
(choose
from 'server', 'cloud', 'workstation', 'nonproduct')
Seriously?
poc
8:29 a.m.
Mickey:
> fedup: error: argument --product: invalid choice:
'non-product'
> (choose
> from 'server', 'cloud', 'workstation', 'nonproduct')
Patrick O'Callaghan:
Seriously?
Can someone explain what product=nonproduct actually means? I've looked
at <https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedUp>;, but it makes as much sense as
sale=nosale, to me.
--
[tim@localhost ~]$ uname -rsvp
Linux 3.9.10-100.fc17.x86_64 #1 SMP Sun Jul 14 01:31:27 UTC 2013 x86_64
All mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted, there is no point
trying to privately email me, I will only read messages posted to the
public lists.
George Orwell's '1984' was supposed to be a warning against tyranny, not
a set of instructions for supposedly democratic governments.
9:10 a.m.
On 06/19/2015 09:29 AM, Tim wrote:
Mickey:
>> fedup: error: argument --product: invalid choice: 'non-product'
>> (choose
>> from 'server', 'cloud', 'workstation',
'nonproduct')
Patrick O'Callaghan:
> Seriously?
Can someone explain what product=nonproduct actually means? I've looked
at <https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedUp>;, but it makes as much sense as
sale=nosale, to me.
Beginning with F21, Fedora spun itself into three main flavors:
workstation, server, and cloud. Three different flavors with different
needs. The "nonproduct" flavor lets you upgrade from F20 to F21 without
trying to conform to a specific "product." Here's the thing: product
workstation is GNOME and nothing but GNOME. That's all very well if you
like GNOME or are migrating from the Mac. But we KDE users must use the
nonproduct flavor to keep everything the way we have it.
Temlakos
12:33 p.m.
Tim:
> Can someone explain what product=nonproduct actually means?
I've
> looked at <https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedUp>;, but it makes as
> much sense as sale=nosale, to me.
Temlakos:
Beginning with F21, Fedora spun itself into three main flavors:
workstation, server, and cloud. Three different flavors with different
needs. The "nonproduct" flavor lets you upgrade from F20 to F21
without trying to conform to a specific "product." Here's the thing:
product workstation is GNOME and nothing but GNOME. That's all very
well if you like GNOME or are migrating from the Mac. But we KDE users
must use the nonproduct flavor to keep everything the way we have it.
Ah, okay, I get it. Poor choice of keywords, though. Would have been
clearer if they'd used something more sensible.
--
[tim@localhost ~]$ uname -rsvp
Linux 3.9.10-100.fc17.x86_64 #1 SMP Sun Jul 14 01:31:27 UTC 2013 x86_64
All mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted, there is no point
trying to privately email me, I will only read messages posted to the
public lists.
If you are not the intended recipient, why are you reading their email?
You bastard!
1:35 p.m.
On Sat, 2015-06-20 at 03:03 +0930, Tim wrote:
Tim:
> > Can someone explain what product=nonproduct actually means? I've
> > looked at <https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedUp>;, but it makes as
> > much sense as sale=nosale, to me.
Temlakos:
> Beginning with F21, Fedora spun itself into three main flavors:
> workstation, server, and cloud. Three different flavors with
> different
> needs. The "nonproduct" flavor lets you upgrade from F20 to F21
> without trying to conform to a specific "product." Here's the
> thing:
> product workstation is GNOME and nothing but GNOME. That's all very
> well if you like GNOME or are migrating from the Mac. But we KDE
> users
> must use the nonproduct flavor to keep everything the way we have
> it.
Ah, okay, I get it. Poor choice of keywords, though. Would have
been
clearer if they'd used something more sensible.
IIRC several suggestions were made at the time, none of which were
accepted. See for example the (long) thread at
https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/kde/2014-December/013991.html
poc
2:12 p.m.
On 06/19/2015 02:35 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
On Sat, 2015-06-20 at 03:03 +0930, Tim wrote:
> Tim:
>>> Can someone explain what product=nonproduct actually means? I've
>>> looked at <https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedUp>;, but it makes as
>>> much sense as sale=nosale, to me.
>
> Temlakos:
>> Beginning with F21, Fedora spun itself into three main flavors:
>> workstation, server, and cloud. Three different flavors with
>> different
>> needs. The "nonproduct" flavor lets you upgrade from F20 to F21
>> without trying to conform to a specific "product." Here's the
>> thing:
>> product workstation is GNOME and nothing but GNOME. That's all very
>> well if you like GNOME or are migrating from the Mac. But we KDE
>> users
>> must use the nonproduct flavor to keep everything the way we have
>> it.
> Ah, okay, I get it. Poor choice of keywords, though. Would have
> been
> clearer if they'd used something more sensible.
IIRC several suggestions were made at the time, none of which were
accepted. See for example the (long) thread at
https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/kde/2014-December/013991.html
poc
I recall that thread well. I started it. Of course what happened, I
never would have predicted: the "product" flag existed with the F20->F21
upgrade but not with the F21->F22 upgrade. I accomplished the last
upgrade with a couple of issues, one of which I solved by removing, then
re-installing, a family of programs, the other of which required me to
run a legacy systemtray program.
Temlakos
2:15 p.m.
On 06/19/2015 11:35 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
IIRC several suggestions were made at the time, none of which were
accepted. See for example the (long) thread at
https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/kde/2014-December/013991.html
I can't speak for anybody else, but I'd have thought that simply leaving
the --product argument off would have implied that you simply wanted
your installation upgraded *as is* without trying to transform it into
something else. Of course, I'm a great believer in the KISS principle,
something that most devs seem to hate.
9:20 a.m.
On Fri, 19 Jun 2015 22:59:30 +0930 Tim <ignored_mailbox(a)yahoo.com.au> wrote:
Mickey:
> > fedup: error: argument --product: invalid choice: 'non-product'
> > (choose
> > from 'server', 'cloud', 'workstation',
'nonproduct')
Patrick O'Callaghan:
> Seriously?
Can someone explain what product=nonproduct actually means? I've looked
at <https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedUp>;, but it makes as much sense as
sale=nosale, to me.
:-)
I don't know the answer to this question, but this option appears to be no longer
needed for fedup from F21 to F22. At least, I did not have to enter anything and the
upgrade went through flawlessly.
In any case, FedUp itself is going away after F23 and the upgrade process is scheduled to
be integrated into dnf.
Best wishes,
Ranjan
11:03 a.m.
On Fri, 2015-06-19 at 22:59 +0930, Tim wrote:
Mickey:
> > fedup: error: argument --product: invalid choice: 'non-product'
> > (choose
> > from 'server', 'cloud', 'workstation',
'nonproduct')
Patrick O'Callaghan:
> Seriously?
Can someone explain what product=nonproduct actually means? I've
looked
at <https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedUp>;, but it makes as much sense
as
sale=nosale, to me.
It appears to be a runic incantation with no inherent semantics,
however my point was that the OP should try actually reading the error
message he posted. And maybe the fedup manual.
poc
3:33 p.m.
New subject: [FORGED] Re: Using Fedup
On 20/06/15 04:03, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
On Fri, 2015-06-19 at 22:59 +0930, Tim wrote:
> Mickey:
>>> fedup: error: argument --product: invalid choice: 'non-product'
>>> (choose
>>> from 'server', 'cloud', 'workstation',
'nonproduct')
>
> Patrick O'Callaghan:
>> Seriously?
>
> Can someone explain what product=nonproduct actually means? I've
> looked
> at <https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedUp>;, but it makes as much sense
> as
> sale=nosale, to me.
It appears to be a runic incantation with no inherent semantics,
however my point was that the OP should try actually reading the error
message he posted. And maybe the fedup manual.
poc
I kind of surmised that that might be your point, but it was very hard
to tell. There seems to be an overwhelming penchant on this list for
being mind-bogglingly cryptic, which is very counter-productive and very
annoying. If you (anyone!) have something to say, say it clearly and
completely. Take half a minute or so to think about how to express
yourself so that what you say is comprehensible to the human mind, which
is what most of us are equipped with.
One should not aim at being possible to understand, but at
being impossible to misunderstand.
--- Quintilian
cheers,
Rolf Turner
--
Technical Editor ANZJS
Department of Statistics
University of Auckland
Phone: +64-9-373-7599 ext. 88276
3:41 p.m.
New subject: [FORGED] Re: Using Fedup
On 06/19/2015 01:33 PM, Rolf Turner wrote:
I kind of surmised that that might be your point, but it was very
hard
to tell. There seems to be an overwhelming penchant on this list for
being mind-bogglingly cryptic, which is very counter-productive and very
annoying. If you (anyone!) have something to say, say it clearly and
completely. Take half a minute or so to think about how to express
yourself so that what you say is comprehensible to the human mind, which
is what most of us are equipped with.
I, OTOH, found his comment quite clear. A simple reading of the error
message would have shown him that he was supposed to use nonproduct
instead of non-product.
9:29 p.m.
New subject: [FORGED] Re: Using Fedup
On 20/06/15 08:41, Joe Zeff wrote:
On 06/19/2015 01:33 PM, Rolf Turner wrote:
> I kind of surmised that that might be your point, but it was very hard
> to tell. There seems to be an overwhelming penchant on this list for
> being mind-bogglingly cryptic, which is very counter-productive and very
> annoying. If you (anyone!) have something to say, say it clearly and
> completely. Take half a minute or so to think about how to express
> yourself so that what you say is comprehensible to the human mind, which
> is what most of us are equipped with.
I, OTOH, found his comment quite clear. A simple reading of the error
message would have shown him that he was supposed to use nonproduct
instead of non-product.
Psigh. ***You*** found it clear. Whoopee. Others might not. And
obviously *didn't*. Write in such a way that your meaning *is* clear.
Full stop.
cheers,
Rolf
--
Technical Editor ANZJS
Department of Statistics
University of Auckland
Phone: +64-9-373-7599 ext. 88276
3:16 a.m.
New subject: [FORGED] Re: Using Fedup
On Sat, Jun 20, 2015 at 02:29:55PM +1200, Rolf Turner wrote:
On 20/06/15 08:41, Joe Zeff wrote:
>On 06/19/2015 01:33 PM, Rolf Turner wrote:
>>I kind of surmised that that might be your point, but it was very hard
>>to tell. There seems to be an overwhelming penchant on this list for
>>being mind-bogglingly cryptic, which is very counter-productive and very
>>annoying. If you (anyone!) have something to say, say it clearly and
>>completely. Take half a minute or so to think about how to express
>>yourself so that what you say is comprehensible to the human mind, which
>>is what most of us are equipped with.
>
>I, OTOH, found his comment quite clear. A simple reading of the error
>message would have shown him that he was supposed to use nonproduct
>instead of non-product.
Psigh. ***You*** found it clear. Whoopee. Others might not. And
obviously *didn't*. Write in such a way that your meaning *is* clear. Full
stop.
Same could be said about posters, read what you are posting before
hitting send. It's not that hard. The reading comprehension has been
dropping steadily on this list lately. Here is another example from
just yesterday:
> > My / is 14 GB, /boot is 1GB, and swap is 32 GB. Memory is
32 GB also. I installed Fedora 21 on June 3 or 4 and then upgraded to F22 last week using
FedUp.
>
> RAM is 32GB?
> What is the size of swap?
Sorry, yes, RAM is 32 GB and so is swap.
They are right next to each other!
--
Suvayu
Open source is the future. It sets us free.
5:10 a.m.
New subject: [FORGED] Re: Using Fedup
On Sat, 2015-06-20 at 14:29 +1200, Rolf Turner wrote:
On 20/06/15 08:41, Joe Zeff wrote:
> On 06/19/2015 01:33 PM, Rolf Turner wrote:
> > I kind of surmised that that might be your point, but it was very
> > hard
> > to tell. There seems to be an overwhelming penchant on this list
> > for
> > being mind-bogglingly cryptic, which is very counter-productive
> > and very
> > annoying. If you (anyone!) have something to say, say it clearly
> > and
> > completely. Take half a minute or so to think about how to
> > express
> > yourself so that what you say is comprehensible to the human
> > mind, which
> > is what most of us are equipped with.
>
> I, OTOH, found his comment quite clear. A simple reading of the
> error
> message would have shown him that he was supposed to use nonproduct
> instead of non-product.
Psigh. ***You*** found it clear. Whoopee. Others might not. And
obviously *didn't*. Write in such a way that your meaning *is*
clear.
The only way my comment could be misunderstood is by not actually
reading the error message it was referring to. I rest my case.
poc
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