9:29 a.m.
Hi,
I am going ti buy a brand new computer, and would like to know if it is
better either to have a nVidia or an ATI graphic card.
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9:40 a.m.
If you're willing to work with binary only drivers, go nVidia. Period.
In most cases (barring problematic/less supported AGP chipsets and older
GPUs) you'll get Windows like 3D performance with Linux stability.
Plus, the next nVidia drivers (8x.xx) due to be released any time soon,
are supposed to include SLI support. (Maybe it's time to add that second
6800GT card to my workstation? :))
What hardware configuration do you plan on using?
Gilboa
On Tue, 2005-10-04 at 16:29 +0200, Rakotomandimby Mihamina wrote:
Hi,
I am going ti buy a brand new computer, and would like to know if it is
better either to have a nVidia or an ATI graphic card.
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On Tue, 2005-10-04 at 11:00 -0400, Neal Becker wrote:
I _strongly_ recommend the nvidia driver packaged by livna.
rpms.livna.org,
IIRC.
Thank you.
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Neal Becker wrote:
I _strongly_ recommend the nvidia driver packaged by livna.
rpms.livna.org,
IIRC.
Two computers up and running with FC4 installs on the weekend using
nVidia. Used the livna drivers this time. Used to use the nVidia
files in the past but thought I would try the rpms. No problems.
I went to nVidia after spending three weeks trying to get an ATI 9600
working using the ATI drivers. No luck. Less than 30 minutes from
cashier to fulling working nVidia card in FC1.
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11:08 a.m.
Neal Becker wrote:
I _strongly_ recommend the nvidia driver packaged by livna.
rpms.livna.org,
IIRC.
Is it possible to set it up so that if you run
yum update every night, a new kernel is not installed
until the corresponding nvidia kernel module from livna
is available?
Mogens
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11:24 a.m.
Mogens Kjaer kaže:
Neal Becker wrote:
>I _strongly_ recommend the nvidia driver packaged by livna. rpms.livna.org,
>IIRC.
Is it possible to set it up so that if you run
yum update every night, a new kernel is not installed
until the corresponding nvidia kernel module from livna
is available?
I would advice you to get the nvidia-glx-1.0.7676-0.lvn.2.4.src.rpm
package and recompile it when the new kernel package is released. You
have all the build instructions in the spec file. It works for me on FC4
and CentOS 4.2.
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11:33 a.m.
Igor Jagec wrote:
....
I would advice you to get the nvidia-glx-1.0.7676-0.lvn.2.4.src.rpm
package and recompile it when the new kernel package is released.
Yes, but this is not done automatically.
So if the machine is rebooted after the new
kernel is installed, but before the nvidia driver
is recompiled, the machine starts up without
graphics.
This has annoyed quite a few people here... :-)
Mogens
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12:41 p.m.
On Tue, 2005-25-10 at 18:33 +0200, Mogens Kjaer wrote:
Igor Jagec wrote:
....
> I would advice you to get the nvidia-glx-1.0.7676-0.lvn.2.4.src.rpm
> package and recompile it when the new kernel package is released.
Yes, but this is not done automatically.
So if the machine is rebooted after the new
kernel is installed, but before the nvidia driver
is recompiled, the machine starts up without
graphics.
This has annoyed quite a few people here... :-)
Mogens
When I was using the binary driver, I had a script that I kept
in /root/bin to build, install the driver and add it to initrd.
If I forgot to update it before I booted a new kernel it was
easy to log in as root, run the script and reboot. Unfortunately
I am not using that script anymore and am not sure if I still
have a copy of it anywhere.
Here is a hint on making it work easily in BASH scripts :
KERNVER = `uname -r`
I am currently using an ATI card in that machine but only
so that I can convert some .vcr files to mpeg2 in windows.
Have a good day.
12:52 p.m.
Am Dienstag, den 25.10.2005, 18:33 +0200 schrieb Mogens Kjaer:
Igor Jagec wrote:
....
> I would advice you to get the nvidia-glx-1.0.7676-0.lvn.2.4.src.rpm
> package and recompile it when the new kernel package is released.
Yes, but this is not done automatically.
So if the machine is rebooted after the new
kernel is installed, but before the nvidia driver
is recompiled, the machine starts up without
graphics.
This should not happen -- the livna package should disable the nvidia
driver and switch to nv when the kernel-module for the new kernel is
missing. If not file a bug.
BTW, livna is quite fast with updating modules these days -- most times
they have them online 24 hours after a new kernel gets published.
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3:43 p.m.
Thorsten Leemhuis wrote:
...
This should not happen -- the livna package should disable the
nvidia
driver and switch to nv when the kernel-module for the new kernel is
missing. If not file a bug.
This :-( :-( "feature" made me dump the livna way a long time ago.
Not only do you have to get the kernel module installed, you
also have to set up X again to use the nvidia driver.
Now if only some cleaver rpm dependencies could be set
up so that the kernel isn't updated until a new livna
nvidia rpm is available - that would be useful!
Mogens
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6:49 p.m.
Mogens Kjaer wrote:
Thorsten Leemhuis wrote:
...
> This should not happen -- the livna package should disable the nvidia
> driver and switch to nv when the kernel-module for the new kernel is
> missing. If not file a bug.
This :-( :-( "feature" made me dump the livna way a long time ago.
Not only do you have to get the kernel module installed, you
also have to set up X again to use the nvidia driver.
Now if only some cleaver rpm dependencies could be set
up so that the kernel isn't updated until a new livna
nvidia rpm is available - that would be useful!
Mogens
Actually, the new nvidia and ati rpms out of livna, will fall back to
the standard drivers if the proprietary kernel modules couldn't be
loaded. This allows one to upgrade the kernel without losing X even if
the proprietary modules aren't built yet. There are also command line
utilities to turn off the proprietary drivers on next boot, which is
usefull if you have a laptop since neither ati nor nvidia proprietary
drivers support suspend while the open source drivers both do.
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2:25 p.m.
On Tue, 2005-10-25 at 22:43 +0200, Mogens Kjaer wrote:
Thorsten Leemhuis wrote:
...
> This should not happen -- the livna package should disable the nvidia
> driver and switch to nv when the kernel-module for the new kernel is
> missing. If not file a bug.
This :-( :-( "feature" made me dump the livna way a long time ago.
Not only do you have to get the kernel module installed, you
also have to set up X again to use the nvidia driver.
Now if only some cleaver rpm dependencies could be set
up so that the kernel isn't updated until a new livna
nvidia rpm is available - that would be useful!
Mogens
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I may be daft, but for my ATI card, whenever I update my kernel from
updates released it defautls to use the radeon driver. I just update the
kernel-module from livna manually.
I don't see why this would not work for nVidia.
Micheal
1:52 a.m.
micheal wrote:
...
I may be daft, but for my ATI card, whenever I update my kernel from
updates released it defautls to use the radeon driver. I just update the
kernel-module from livna manually.
I don't see why this would not work for nVidia.
It does, it's just not what I want.
I want a delayed installation of the kernel until
the graphics module is available.
My users can't use their machine for anything unless
the 3D driver is loaded. They can't manually install
the graphics driver.
Anyway, I've added a /etc/init.d script that checks if
the nvidia kernel module exists.
If it doesn't, it reinstalls the nvidia driver.
I've put the driver on an NFS share, with a symlink
at /server1/nvidia/latest.x86. The script is shown below.
Mogens
#!/bin/sh
#
# nvidia: Install nvidia driver if module doesn't exist.
#
# chkconfig: 5 90 10
# description: Install nvidia driver if module doesn't exist.
#
#
# Source function library.
. /etc/rc.d/init.d/functions
start() {
if [ -f /lib/modules/`uname -r`/kernel/drivers/video/nvidia.ko ]; then
echo 'Nvidia module already exists.'
else
echo 'Nvidia module does not exist; reinstalling nvidia driver.
This will take a few minutes.'
if [ -f /server1/nvidia/latest.x86 ]; then
cp /server1/nvidia/latest.x86 /tmp
sh /tmp/latest.x86 -s --update --force-update
echo 'A warning from the installer about something being altered
can be ignored.'
else
echo '/server1/nvidia/latest.x86 does not exist'
fi
fi
}
stop() {
true
}
# See how we were called.
case "$1" in
start)
start
;;
stop)
stop
;;
restart|reload)
stop
start
;;
condrestart)
;;
*)
echo $"Usage: $0 {start|stop|restart|reload|condrestart}"
exit 1
esac
exit 0
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7:56 a.m.
On Monday 31 October 2005 02:52, Mogens Kjaer wrote:
Many thanks, I'm going to try this on a box with an nvidia card in it.
Just one further question: Whats the path at livna where the driver
can be found, I'd like to somewhat automate the fetching too.
micheal wrote:
...
> I may be daft, but for my ATI card, whenever I update my kernel from
> updates released it defautls to use the radeon driver. I just update
> the kernel-module from livna manually.
>
> I don't see why this would not work for nVidia.
It does, it's just not what I want.
I want a delayed installation of the kernel until
the graphics module is available.
My users can't use their machine for anything unless
the 3D driver is loaded. They can't manually install
the graphics driver.
Anyway, I've added a /etc/init.d script that checks if
the nvidia kernel module exists.
If it doesn't, it reinstalls the nvidia driver.
I've put the driver on an NFS share, with a symlink
at /server1/nvidia/latest.x86. The script is shown below.
Mogens
#!/bin/sh
#
# nvidia: Install nvidia driver if module doesn't exist.
#
# chkconfig: 5 90 10
# description: Install nvidia driver if module doesn't exist.
#
#
# Source function library.
. /etc/rc.d/init.d/functions
start() {
if [ -f /lib/modules/`uname -r`/kernel/drivers/video/nvidia.ko ];
then echo 'Nvidia module already exists.'
else
echo 'Nvidia module does not exist; reinstalling nvidia driver.
This will take a few minutes.'
if [ -f /server1/nvidia/latest.x86 ]; then
cp /server1/nvidia/latest.x86 /tmp
sh /tmp/latest.x86 -s --update --force-update
echo 'A warning from the installer about something being altered
can be ignored.'
else
echo '/server1/nvidia/latest.x86 does not exist'
fi
fi
}
stop() {
true
}
# See how we were called.
case "$1" in
start)
start
;;
stop)
stop
;;
restart|reload)
stop
start
;;
condrestart)
;;
*)
echo $"Usage: $0 {start|stop|restart|reload|condrestart}"
exit 1
esac
exit 0
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Gene Heskett wrote:
On Monday 31 October 2005 02:52, Mogens Kjaer wrote:
Many thanks, I'm going to try this on a box with an nvidia card in it.
Just one further question: Whats the path at livna where the driver
can be found, I'd like to somewhat automate the fetching too.
I think that the nvidia installer actually looks for
a newer version.
Actually, the script should be modified so that if a
newer driver exists, it should be installed.
As it is now, you'll have to wait until the kernel
is updated until a newer nvidia driver is installed.
Mogens
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11:07 a.m.
On 10/31/05, Mogens Kjaer <mk(a)crc.dk> wrote:
micheal wrote:
...
> I may be daft, but for my ATI card, whenever I update my kernel from
> updates released it defautls to use the radeon driver. I just update the
> kernel-module from livna manually.
>
> I don't see why this would not work for nVidia.
It does, it's just not what I want.
I want a delayed installation of the kernel until
the graphics module is available.
My users can't use their machine for anything unless
the 3D driver is loaded. They can't manually install
the graphics driver.
Anyway, I've added a /etc/init.d script that checks if
the nvidia kernel module exists.
If it doesn't, it reinstalls the nvidia driver.
I've put the driver on an NFS share, with a symlink
at /server1/nvidia/latest.x86. The script is shown below.
By the way, the -k and -K options to the nvidia installer (one takes
the kernel version as an argument, but I can never remember which) can
be used to only install the kernel module, which will not uninstall it
for previous kernels. Which means should you need to boot an older
kernel, it will work just fine without the script running again and
clobbering the install for the latest kernel. Should also be a little
faster.
Also, is there a command that will tell you if a kernel module exists
without having to look in a specific location? (maybe modinfo?) Might
be better if for some strange reason the kernel module gets moved.
Just some thoughts.
Jonathan
Mogens
#!/bin/sh
#
# nvidia: Install nvidia driver if module doesn't exist.
#
# chkconfig: 5 90 10
# description: Install nvidia driver if module doesn't exist.
#
#
# Source function library.
. /etc/rc.d/init.d/functions
start() {
if [ -f /lib/modules/`uname -r`/kernel/drivers/video/nvidia.ko ]; then
echo 'Nvidia module already exists.'
else
echo 'Nvidia module does not exist; reinstalling nvidia driver.
This will take a few minutes.'
if [ -f /server1/nvidia/latest.x86 ]; then
cp /server1/nvidia/latest.x86 /tmp
sh /tmp/latest.x86 -s --update --force-update
echo 'A warning from the installer about something being altered
can be ignored.'
else
echo '/server1/nvidia/latest.x86 does not exist'
fi
fi
}
stop() {
true
}
# See how we were called.
case "$1" in
start)
start
;;
stop)
stop
;;
restart|reload)
stop
start
;;
condrestart)
;;
*)
echo $"Usage: $0 {start|stop|restart|reload|condrestart}"
exit 1
esac
exit 0
5:12 a.m.
On Tue, 2005-10-25 at 19:52 +0200, Thorsten Leemhuis wrote:
Am Dienstag, den 25.10.2005, 18:33 +0200 schrieb Mogens Kjaer:
> Igor Jagec wrote:
> ....
> > I would advice you to get the nvidia-glx-1.0.7676-0.lvn.2.4.src.rpm
> > package and recompile it when the new kernel package is released.
> Yes, but this is not done automatically.
>
> So if the machine is rebooted after the new
> kernel is installed, but before the nvidia driver
> is recompiled, the machine starts up without
> graphics.
This should not happen -- the livna package should disable the nvidia
driver and switch to nv when the kernel-module for the new kernel is
missing. If not file a bug.
BTW, livna is quite fast with updating modules these days -- most times
they have them online 24 hours after a new kernel gets published.
Yes - what I do with the binary module I need (not video) - I disable
the kernel update in my /etc/yum.conf file via exclude=kernel
That way I can just yum update to my hearts content.
Every couple of weeks I just check for a new livna module - and if there
is one, I comment out the exclude line and then use yum install to
install the new livna module for what I need, and it pulls the new
kernel in as a dependency.
8:48 p.m.
On Tue, 2005-10-25 at 18:08 +0200, Mogens Kjaer wrote:
Neal Becker wrote:
> I _strongly_ recommend the nvidia driver packaged by livna. rpms.livna.org,
> IIRC.
Is it possible to set it up so that if you run
yum update every night, a new kernel is not installed
until the corresponding nvidia kernel module from livna
is available?
The kernel is installed, not updated.
It does not load the new kernel until a reboot occurs so if you watch
for the update in the yum.log then you can do the reboot and driver
update at your convenience.
Mogens
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1:08 a.m.
Jeff Vian wrote:
...
The kernel is installed, not updated.
It does not load the new kernel until a reboot occurs so if you watch
for the update in the yum.log then you can do the reboot and driver
update at your convenience.
I can do that, you can do that.
The "ordinary users" I have can't. :-(
Some of them have dualboot machines, and therefore
reboot regularly.
Hm, I'll guess it would be easier to stick with the files
from nvidia and make a script that is run during boot
that builds and installs the kernel module, if necessary.
Mogens
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1:22 p.m.
At 8:08 AM +0200 10/28/05, Mogens Kjaer wrote:
Jeff Vian wrote:
...
> The kernel is installed, not updated.
> It does not load the new kernel until a reboot occurs so if you watch
> for the update in the yum.log then you can do the reboot and driver
> update at your convenience.
I can do that, you can do that.
The "ordinary users" I have can't. :-(
Some of them have dualboot machines, and therefore
reboot regularly.
Hm, I'll guess it would be easier to stick with the files
from nvidia and make a script that is run during boot
that builds and installs the kernel module, if necessary.
Yes, and after your users have tested it a while, how about submitting it
as a RFE for the livna packages? It sounds useful.
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3:07 a.m.
Am Freitag, den 28.10.2005, 14:22 -0400 schrieb Tony Nelson:
At 8:08 AM +0200 10/28/05, Mogens Kjaer wrote:
>Jeff Vian wrote:
>...
>> The kernel is installed, not updated.
>> It does not load the new kernel until a reboot occurs so if you watch
>> for the update in the yum.log then you can do the reboot and driver
>> update at your convenience.
>
>I can do that, you can do that.
>
>The "ordinary users" I have can't. :-(
>
>Some of them have dualboot machines, and therefore
>reboot regularly.
>
>Hm, I'll guess it would be easier to stick with the files
>from nvidia and make a script that is run during boot
>that builds and installs the kernel module, if necessary.
Yes, and after your users have tested it a while, how about submitting it
as a RFE for the livna packages? It sounds useful.
I have something like that already, but never finished it nor included
it in the nvidia or ati livna packages. If people are interested in it
and (most important!) help testing I'm going to work on this further.
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4:32 p.m.
At 10:07 AM +0200 10/29/05, Thorsten Leemhuis wrote:
Am Freitag, den 28.10.2005, 14:22 -0400 schrieb Tony Nelson:
> At 8:08 AM +0200 10/28/05, Mogens Kjaer wrote:
> >Jeff Vian wrote:
> >...
> >> The kernel is installed, not updated.
> >> It does not load the new kernel until a reboot occurs so if you watch
> >> for the update in the yum.log then you can do the reboot and driver
> >> update at your convenience.
> >
> >I can do that, you can do that.
> >
> >The "ordinary users" I have can't. :-(
> >
> >Some of them have dualboot machines, and therefore
> >reboot regularly.
> >
> >Hm, I'll guess it would be easier to stick with the files
> >from nvidia and make a script that is run during boot
> >that builds and installs the kernel module, if necessary.
>
> Yes, and after your users have tested it a while, how about submitting it
> as a RFE for the livna packages? It sounds useful.
I have something like that already, but never finished it nor included
it in the nvidia or ati livna packages. If people are interested in it
and (most important!) help testing I'm going to work on this further.
I'm not using any such package now (don't do 3D games), but I do have an
(old) ATI card (Radeon 7000/VE) in my machine. As I'm willing to volunteer
the time of others, I suppose I could test an ATI package on my machine if
that would be useful. Let me know.
____________________________________________________________________
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4:54 p.m.
Am Samstag, den 29.10.2005, 17:32 -0400 schrieb Tony Nelson:
At 10:07 AM +0200 10/29/05, Thorsten Leemhuis wrote:
>Am Freitag, den 28.10.2005, 14:22 -0400 schrieb Tony Nelson:
>> At 8:08 AM +0200 10/28/05, Mogens Kjaer wrote:
>> >Jeff Vian wrote:
>> >...
>> >> The kernel is installed, not updated.
>> >> It does not load the new kernel until a reboot occurs so if you watch
>> >> for the update in the yum.log then you can do the reboot and driver
>> >> update at your convenience.
>> >
>> >I can do that, you can do that.
>> >
>> >The "ordinary users" I have can't. :-(
>> >
>> >Some of them have dualboot machines, and therefore
>> >reboot regularly.
>> >
>> >Hm, I'll guess it would be easier to stick with the files
>> >from nvidia and make a script that is run during boot
>> >that builds and installs the kernel module, if necessary.
>>
>> Yes, and after your users have tested it a while, how about submitting it
>> as a RFE for the livna packages? It sounds useful.
>
>I have something like that already, but never finished it nor included
>it in the nvidia or ati livna packages. If people are interested in it
>and (most important!) help testing I'm going to work on this further.
I'm not using any such package now (don't do 3D games), but I do have an
(old) ATI card (Radeon 7000/VE) in my machine. As I'm willing to volunteer
the time of others, I suppose I could test an ATI package on my machine if
that would be useful. Let me know.
Won't be very useful because the ati-fglrx packages need a Radeon 8500
or above.
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Maurie
-----Original Message-----
From: Tony Nelson <tonynelson(a)georgeanelson.com>
To: fedora-list(a)redhat.com
Sent: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 17:32:14 -0400
Subject: Re: nvidia or ati ?
At 10:07 AM +0200 10/29/05, Thorsten Leemhuis wrote:
Am Freitag, den 28.10.2005, 14:22 -0400 schrieb Tony Nelson:
> At 8:08 AM +0200 10/28/05, Mogens Kjaer wrote:
> >Jeff Vian wrote:
> >...
> >> The kernel is installed, not updated.
> >> It does not load the new kernel until a reboot occurs so if you watch
> >> for the update in the yum.log then you can do the reboot and driver
> >> update at your convenience.
> >
> >I can do that, you can do that.
> >
> >The "ordinary users" I have can't. :-(
> >
> >Some of them have dualboot machines, and therefore
> >reboot regularly.
> >
> >Hm, I'll guess it would be easier to stick with the files
> >from nvidia and make a script that is run during boot
> >that builds and installs the kernel module, if necessary.
>
> Yes, and after your users have tested it a while, how about submitting it
> as a RFE for the livna packages? It sounds useful.
I have something like that already, but never finished it nor included
it in the nvidia or ati livna packages. If people are interested in it
and (most important!) help testing I'm going to work on this further.
I'm not using any such package now (don't do 3D games), but I do have an
(old) ATI card (Radeon 7000/VE) in my machine. As I'm willing to volunteer
the time of others, I suppose I could test an ATI package on my machine if
that would be useful. Let me know.
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Subject: Re: nvidia or ati ?
At 10:07 AM +0200 10/29/05, Thorsten Leemhuis wrote:
Am Freitag, den 28.10.2005, 14:22 -0400 schrieb Tony Nelson:
> At 8:08 AM +0200 10/28/05, Mogens Kjaer wrote:
> >Jeff Vian wrote:
> >...
> >> The kernel is installed, not updated.
> >> It does not load the new kernel until a reboot occurs so if you watch
> >> for the update in the yum.log then you can do the reboot and driver
> >> update at your convenience.
> >
> >I can do that, you can do that.
> >
> >The "ordinary users" I have can't. :-(
> >
> >Some of them have dualboot machines, and therefore
> >reboot regularly.
> >
> >Hm, I'll guess it would be easier to stick with the files
> >from nvidia and make a script that is run during boot
> >that builds and installs the kernel module, if necessary.
>
> Yes, and after your users have tested it a while, how about submitting it
> as a RFE for the livna packages? It sounds useful.
I have something like that already, but never finished it nor included
it in the nvidia or ati livna packages. If people are interested in it
and (most important!) help testing I'm going to work on this further.
I'm not using any such package now (don't do 3D games), but I do have an
(old) ATI card (Radeon 7000/VE) in my machine. As I'm willing to volunteer
the time of others, I suppose I could test an ATI package on my machine if
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On Thu, 27 Oct 2005, Jeff Vian wrote:
On Tue, 2005-10-25 at 18:08 +0200, Mogens Kjaer wrote:
> Neal Becker wrote:
>> I _strongly_ recommend the nvidia driver packaged by livna. rpms.livna.org,
>> IIRC.
>
> Is it possible to set it up so that if you run
> yum update every night, a new kernel is not installed
> until the corresponding nvidia kernel module from livna
> is available?
>
The kernel is installed, not updated.
It does not load the new kernel until a reboot occurs so if you watch
for the update in the yum.log then you can do the reboot and driver
update at your convenience.
Also see /etc/sysconfig/kernel, where you can specify that the kernel
install not change grub to boot the new kernel by default. Then when the
nvidia module comes out, you can install it and update /etc/grub.conf by
hand to boot the new kernel.
> Mogens
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10:02 a.m.
On Tue, 2005-10-04 at 16:29 +0200, Rakotomandimby Mihamina wrote:
I am going ti buy a brand new computer, and would like to know if it
is
better either to have a nVidia or an ATI graphic card.
Nvidia works fine with my FC4 at work. Had problems and didnt finish
configuration with ATI at home.
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7:52 p.m.
Not ATI - I have not been able to get my Radeon 9800 to do 3D with *any*
drivers. I'm going to have to get an nVidia card myself.
Rakotomandimby Mihamina wrote:
Hi,
I am going ti buy a brand new computer, and would like to know if it is
better either to have a nVidia or an ATI graphic card.
5:51 a.m.
Robert Bell wrote:
Not ATI - I have not been able to get my Radeon 9800 to do 3D with
*any* drivers. I'm going to have to get an nVidia card myself.
Did you try adding the below to your device section of xorg.conf?
Option "AccelMethod" "exa"
and also adding an Extentions section to the tail of your xorg.conf file?
Section "Extensions"
Option "Composite" "enable"
My "ATI Radeon Mobility U1" works with or without the option added. I am
not sure if work there is something that will do you any good or not.
Nvidia, Intel or ATI?
Jim
Rakotomandimby Mihamina wrote:
> Hi,
> I am going ti buy a brand new computer, and would like to know if it is
> better either to have a nVidia or an ATI graphic card.
>
>
>
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11:09 a.m.
On Tue, Oct 04, 2005 at 16:29:39 +0200,
Rakotomandimby Mihamina <mihamina.rakotomandimby(a)etu.univ-orleans.fr> wrote:
Hi,
I am going ti buy a brand new computer, and would like to know if it is
better either to have a nVidia or an ATI graphic card.
If you were think of getting a less expensive card, the ATI 9200 will work
with free drivers. There is a project to have free drivers for later ATI
cards, but you should go looking for the current status of that project
to make sure it is far enough along for you before committing to using a
ATI model.
11:29 a.m.
On Sun, 2005-10-23 at 11:09 -0500, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
On Tue, Oct 04, 2005 at 16:29:39 +0200,
Rakotomandimby Mihamina <mihamina.rakotomandimby(a)etu.univ-orleans.fr> wrote:
> Hi,
> I am going ti buy a brand new computer, and would like to know if it is
> better either to have a nVidia or an ATI graphic card.
If you were think of getting a less expensive card, the ATI 9200 will work
with free drivers. There is a project to have free drivers for later ATI
cards, but you should go looking for the current status of that project
to make sure it is far enough along for you before committing to using a
ATI model.
I have found the Nvidia 3D drivers easier to install
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11:35 a.m.
here is the low down with ati vs. nvidia in linux
ati doesnt care about linux, there drivers horrible.
in the time before last release drivers, a geforce 5700 would beat a 9800 by
a sizable margin.
nvidias drivers are much better and perfom much better. the new ati drivers
improve the situation, but, it is still crappy compared to nvidia.
martin
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Subject: Re: nvidia or ati ?
Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 17:29:23 +0100
On Sun, 2005-10-23 at 11:09 -0500, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 04, 2005 at 16:29:39 +0200,
> Rakotomandimby Mihamina <mihamina.rakotomandimby(a)etu.univ-orleans.fr>
wrote:
> > Hi,
> > I am going ti buy a brand new computer, and would like to know if it
is
> > better either to have a nVidia or an ATI graphic card.
>
> If you were think of getting a less expensive card, the ATI 9200 will
work
> with free drivers. There is a project to have free drivers for later ATI
> cards, but you should go looking for the current status of that project
> to make sure it is far enough along for you before committing to using a
> ATI model.
>
I have found the Nvidia 3D drivers easier to install
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On Sun, 23 Oct 2005, Kahn Seidl wrote:
here is the low down with ati vs. nvidia in linux
ati doesnt care about linux, there drivers horrible.
It's not that they don't care, their execution is a little lacking. If
they didn't care their wouldn't be a proprietary driver. That was the case
before the radeon 8500.
If you're willing to use a radeon 9000/9200/9250 you can a decent
non-proprietary open-gl support. It won't be adequate for high-end games
becuase it can't among other things support s3-texture compression, but
it works, and it's non-proprietary.
in the time before last release drivers, a geforce 5700 would beat a
9800 by
a sizable margin.
In windows-land driver quality has been an issue that has dogged both
vendors at various times. if enough people use the linux driver it's
liekly that they'll spend more cycles on it. As it is they view the market
as rather small, and spend most of their time supporting their workstation
cards and applications, as those customers are the most valueable.
nvidias drivers are much better and perfom much better. the new ati
drivers
improve the situation, but, it is still crappy compared to nvidia.
It is yes. Most of our boxes save the one that actually needs opengl that
have nividia cards we use the x.org driver. in the recent past we've been
buying all the laptops with intel graphics, because frankly the hassle of
dealing with propietary drivers when you also want the thing to sleep is
just to much work. Yes it's slower and not adequate for high-end gaming,
but it works out of the box.
name of display: :0.0
display: :0 screen: 0
direct rendering: Yes
server glx vendor string: SGI
server glx version string: 1.2
...
OpenGL vendor string: Tungsten Graphics, Inc
OpenGL renderer string: Mesa DRI Intel(R) 915GM 20050225 x86/MMX/SSE2
OpenGL version string: 1.3 Mesa 6.3.2
martin
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> To: For users of Fedora Core releases <fedora-list(a)redhat.com>
> Subject: Re: nvidia or ati ?
> Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 17:29:23 +0100
>
> On Sun, 2005-10-23 at 11:09 -0500, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
> > On Tue, Oct 04, 2005 at 16:29:39 +0200,
> > Rakotomandimby Mihamina <mihamina.rakotomandimby(a)etu.univ-orleans.fr>
> wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > > I am going ti buy a brand new computer, and would like to know if it is
> > > better either to have a nVidia or an ATI graphic card.
> >
> > If you were think of getting a less expensive card, the ATI 9200 will
> work
> > with free drivers. There is a project to have free drivers for later ATI
> > cards, but you should go looking for the current status of that project
> > to make sure it is far enough along for you before committing to using a
> > ATI model.
> >
>
> I have found the Nvidia 3D drivers easier to install
>
>
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9:52 p.m.
On Sun, Oct 23, 2005 at 17:29:23 +0100,
Richard Gelling <uselinux34(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
On Sun, 2005-10-23 at 11:09 -0500, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 04, 2005 at 16:29:39 +0200,
> Rakotomandimby Mihamina <mihamina.rakotomandimby(a)etu.univ-orleans.fr>
wrote:
> > Hi,
> > I am going ti buy a brand new computer, and would like to know if it is
> > better either to have a nVidia or an ATI graphic card.
>
> If you were think of getting a less expensive card, the ATI 9200 will work
> with free drivers. There is a project to have free drivers for later ATI
> cards, but you should go looking for the current status of that project
> to make sure it is far enough along for you before committing to using a
> ATI model.
>
I have found the Nvidia 3D drivers easier to install
The free ATI drivers come as part of the xorg package. You don't have to do
anything to install them.
7:56 a.m.
On Mon, 2005-10-24 at 21:52 -0500, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
On Sun, Oct 23, 2005 at 17:29:23 +0100,
Richard Gelling <uselinux34(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> On Sun, 2005-10-23 at 11:09 -0500, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
> > On Tue, Oct 04, 2005 at 16:29:39 +0200,
> > Rakotomandimby Mihamina <mihamina.rakotomandimby(a)etu.univ-orleans.fr>
wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > > I am going ti buy a brand new computer, and would like to know if it is
> > > better either to have a nVidia or an ATI graphic card.
> >
> > If you were think of getting a less expensive card, the ATI 9200 will work
> > with free drivers. There is a project to have free drivers for later ATI
> > cards, but you should go looking for the current status of that project
> > to make sure it is far enough along for you before committing to using a
> > ATI model.
> >
>
> I have found the Nvidia 3D drivers easier to install
The free ATI drivers come as part of the xorg package. You don't have to do
anything to install them.
so do the free nvidia drivers.
9:41 a.m.
Bruno Wolff III wrote:
On Sun, Oct 23, 2005 at 17:29:23 +0100,
Richard Gelling <uselinux34(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>On Sun, 2005-10-23 at 11:09 -0500, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
>
>>On Tue, Oct 04, 2005 at 16:29:39 +0200,
>> Rakotomandimby Mihamina <mihamina.rakotomandimby(a)etu.univ-orleans.fr>
wrote:
>>
>>>Hi,
>>>I am going ti buy a brand new computer, and would like to know if it is
>>>better either to have a nVidia or an ATI graphic card.
>>
>>If you were think of getting a less expensive card, the ATI 9200 will work
>>with free drivers. There is a project to have free drivers for later ATI
>>cards, but you should go looking for the current status of that project
>>to make sure it is far enough along for you before committing to using a
>>ATI model.
>>
>
>I have found the Nvidia 3D drivers easier to install
The free ATI drivers come as part of the xorg package. You don't have to do
anything to install them.
Does the xorg driver provide 3d in the newest ATI cards?
I went through video card hell on a new computer with ATI trying to
use the ATI binary drivers as well. Never did see 3d on the card.
Installed FC4 on two computers (desktop and laptop) a few weeks ago.
Worked out of the box.
Installed the nVidia binaries from livna and all is great. Of course
I could tweak some and maybe get things better but that takes time
which is harder to find.
I dumped ATI for nVidia. A friend of mine just did the same in the
Windows world.
I won't even consider ATI any more.
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10:29 a.m.
On Tue, Oct 25, 2005 at 08:41:26 -0600,
Robin Laing <Robin.Laing(a)drdc-rddc.gc.ca> wrote:
Does the xorg driver provide 3d in the newest ATI cards?
I don't know, but my understanding is that r300 support is still being worked
on and even if it was included you may not want to count on it.
11:48 a.m.
Bruno Wolff III wrote:
On Tue, Oct 25, 2005 at 08:41:26 -0600,
Robin Laing <Robin.Laing(a)drdc-rddc.gc.ca> wrote:
>Does the xorg driver provide 3d in the newest ATI cards?
I don't know, but my understanding is that r300 support is still being worked
on and even if it was included you may not want to count on it.
I will never purchase or recommend an ATI card again. Neither will my
Windows friend after his problems with ATI. This is worse as he is a
sysadmin and now specifically requests that all video hardware is nVidia.
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11:47 p.m.
On Sun, 2005-10-23 at 11:09 -0500, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
On Tue, Oct 04, 2005 at 16:29:39 +0200,
Rakotomandimby Mihamina <mihamina.rakotomandimby(a)etu.univ-orleans.fr> wrote:
> Hi,
> I am going ti buy a brand new computer, and would like to know if it is
> better either to have a nVidia or an ATI graphic card.
If you were think of getting a less expensive card, the ATI 9200 will work
with free drivers. There is a project to have free drivers for later ATI
cards, but you should go looking for the current status of that project
to make sure it is far enough along for you before committing to using a
ATI model.
If you want it easy going and you want 3D Support I would suggest you a
NVIDIA model!
I also had a good experience with cads from Intel...
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On Mon, 2005-10-24 at 12:47 +0800, Claus Reheis wrote:
On Sun, 2005-10-23 at 11:09 -0500, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 04, 2005 at 16:29:39 +0200,
> Rakotomandimby Mihamina <mihamina.rakotomandimby(a)etu.univ-orleans.fr>
wrote:
> > Hi,
> > I am going ti buy a brand new computer, and would like to know if it is
> > better either to have a nVidia or an ATI graphic card.
>
> If you were think of getting a less expensive card, the ATI 9200 will work
> with free drivers. There is a project to have free drivers for later ATI
> cards, but you should go looking for the current status of that project
> to make sure it is far enough along for you before committing to using a
> ATI model.
If you want it easy going and you want 3D Support I would suggest you a
NVIDIA model!
I also had a good experience with cads from Intel...
Claus
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if you wanna play games id seriously recommend an nvidia card.
price money comparison under linux will just give you more value atm...
e.g. i am pretty happy with a gforce 6200 128bit/128mb pcie for just 80 euros
atleast doom3 works like a charm.
on the other hand...my work thinkpads radeon works without the need to
install proprietary drivers at all but for gaming... ;).
i hope that should help you finding the right choice for you... also
if you plan to play windows games on wine... id seriously suggest
nvidia aswell...
2005/10/24, tlc <tlc(a)artemide.us>:
On Mon, 2005-10-24 at 12:47 +0800, Claus Reheis wrote:
> On Sun, 2005-10-23 at 11:09 -0500, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
> > On Tue, Oct 04, 2005 at 16:29:39 +0200,
> > Rakotomandimby Mihamina <mihamina.rakotomandimby(a)etu.univ-orleans.fr>
wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > > I am going ti buy a brand new computer, and would like to know if it is
> > > better either to have a nVidia or an ATI graphic card.
> >
> > If you were think of getting a less expensive card, the ATI 9200 will work
> > with free drivers. There is a project to have free drivers for later ATI
> > cards, but you should go looking for the current status of that project
> > to make sure it is far enough along for you before committing to using a
> > ATI model.
>
> If you want it easy going and you want 3D Support I would suggest you a
> NVIDIA model!
> I also had a good experience with cads from Intel...
>
> Claus
>
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On Mon, 2005-10-24 at 15:48 +0200, Rudolf Kastl wrote:
if you wanna play games id seriously recommend an nvidia card.
price money comparison under linux will just give you more value atm...
e.g. i am pretty happy with a gforce 6200 128bit/128mb pcie for just 80 euros
atleast doom3 works like a charm.
on the other hand...my work thinkpads radeon works without the need to
install proprietary drivers at all but for gaming... ;).
the nvidia cards will work with out the proprietary drivers as well ..
as a matter of fact they work great with the nv driver. Its just nice to
be able to install the nvidia driver to boost performance.
i hope that should help you finding the right choice for you... also
if you plan to play windows games on wine... id seriously suggest
nvidia aswell...
2005/10/24, tlc <tlc(a)artemide.us>:
> On Mon, 2005-10-24 at 12:47 +0800, Claus Reheis wrote:
> > On Sun, 2005-10-23 at 11:09 -0500, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
> > > On Tue, Oct 04, 2005 at 16:29:39 +0200,
> > > Rakotomandimby Mihamina
<mihamina.rakotomandimby(a)etu.univ-orleans.fr> wrote:
> > > > Hi,
> > > > I am going ti buy a brand new computer, and would like to know if it
is
> > > > better either to have a nVidia or an ATI graphic card.
> > >
> > > If you were think of getting a less expensive card, the ATI 9200 will
work
> > > with free drivers. There is a project to have free drivers for later ATI
> > > cards, but you should go looking for the current status of that project
> > > to make sure it is far enough along for you before committing to using a
> > > ATI model.
> >
> > If you want it easy going and you want 3D Support I would suggest you a
> > NVIDIA model!
> > I also had a good experience with cads from Intel...
> >
> > Claus
> >
>
> nvidia
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nvidia "nv" driver doesnt provide any hw acceleration at all... go
ahead and try tux racer with software rendering ;) its fun to watch.
sure if you dont intend to run anything 3d it doesent matter...
regards,
Rudolf Kastl
2005/10/24, tlc <tlc(a)artemide.us>:
On Mon, 2005-10-24 at 15:48 +0200, Rudolf Kastl wrote:
> if you wanna play games id seriously recommend an nvidia card.
> price money comparison under linux will just give you more value atm...
>
> e.g. i am pretty happy with a gforce 6200 128bit/128mb pcie for just 80 euros
> atleast doom3 works like a charm.
>
> on the other hand...my work thinkpads radeon works without the need to
> install proprietary drivers at all but for gaming... ;).
>
the nvidia cards will work with out the proprietary drivers as well ..
as a matter of fact they work great with the nv driver. Its just nice to
be able to install the nvidia driver to boost performance.
> i hope that should help you finding the right choice for you... also
> if you plan to play windows games on wine... id seriously suggest
> nvidia aswell...
>
> 2005/10/24, tlc <tlc(a)artemide.us>:
> > On Mon, 2005-10-24 at 12:47 +0800, Claus Reheis wrote:
> > > On Sun, 2005-10-23 at 11:09 -0500, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
> > > > On Tue, Oct 04, 2005 at 16:29:39 +0200,
> > > > Rakotomandimby Mihamina
<mihamina.rakotomandimby(a)etu.univ-orleans.fr> wrote:
> > > > > Hi,
> > > > > I am going ti buy a brand new computer, and would like to know
if it is
> > > > > better either to have a nVidia or an ATI graphic card.
> > > >
> > > > If you were think of getting a less expensive card, the ATI 9200 will
work
> > > > with free drivers. There is a project to have free drivers for later
ATI
> > > > cards, but you should go looking for the current status of that
project
> > > > to make sure it is far enough along for you before committing to
using a
> > > > ATI model.
> > >
> > > If you want it easy going and you want 3D Support I would suggest you a
> > > NVIDIA model!
> > > I also had a good experience with cads from Intel...
> > >
> > > Claus
> > >
> >
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On Tue, 2005-10-25 at 15:14 +0200, Rudolf Kastl wrote:
nvidia "nv" driver doesnt provide any hw acceleration at
all... go
ahead and try tux racer with software rendering ;) its fun to watch.
sure if you dont intend to run anything 3d it doesent matter...
regards,
Rudolf Kastl
It works fine for me even with the nv driver. And the nvidia driver is
a
very easy to install.
8:29 a.m.
yeah it works but the performance is below acceptable for me, even
with a rather fast cpu ;).
2005/10/25, tlc <tlc(a)artemide.us>:
On Tue, 2005-10-25 at 15:14 +0200, Rudolf Kastl wrote:
> nvidia "nv" driver doesnt provide any hw acceleration at all... go
> ahead and try tux racer with software rendering ;) its fun to watch.
> sure if you dont intend to run anything 3d it doesent matter...
>
> regards,
> Rudolf Kastl
It works fine for me even with the nv driver. And the nvidia driver is a
very easy to install.
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On Tuesday, October 25, 2005, at 06:29AM, Rudolf Kastl <che666(a)gmail.com> wrote:
yeah it works but the performance is below acceptable for me, even
with a rather fast cpu ;).
2005/10/25, tlc <tlc(a)artemide.us>:
> On Tue, 2005-10-25 at 15:14 +0200, Rudolf Kastl wrote:
> > nvidia "nv" driver doesnt provide any hw acceleration at all... go
> > ahead and try tux racer with software rendering ;) its fun to watch.
> > sure if you dont intend to run anything 3d it doesent matter...
> >
> > regards,
> > Rudolf Kastl
> It works fine for me even with the nv driver. And the nvidia driver is a
> very easy to install.
I have to recommend against using the nvidia binary driver.
Sometimes it is good, sometimes it ain't so good.
For example - I was experiencing a crash (segfault) in grep and slowness in balsa.
When using nv.ko (the open source driver) - grep did not segfault and balsa was fine.
Your experiences may differ - but I finally said enough is enough and I no longer will use
binary only video drivers. With Open Source video drivers, sometimes there are problems
too - but at least the source to the driver is available for people to look at and
determine how to proceed with a solution.
I do wish we had a modern video card with good 3D acceleration and an open source driver -
I don't know of one, maybe one exists - fortunately for me, 3D hardware acceleration
isn't something I need.
I think some of the onboard Intel cards have good open source 3D acceleration.
Probably not as good as NVidia is capable of, but better than nothing.
8:44 a.m.
On Tue, 2005-10-25 at 06:38 -0700, Michael Peters wrote:
I have to recommend against using the nvidia binary driver.
Sometimes it is good, sometimes it ain't so good.
For example - I was experiencing a crash (segfault) in grep and slowness in balsa.
When using nv.ko (the open source driver) - grep did not segfault and balsa was fine.
are you certain nothing else changed? I have been using the nvidia
driver since RH7 and have never heard of anything like that.
I think some of the onboard Intel cards have good open source 3D
acceleration.
Probably not as good as NVidia is capable of, but better than nothing.
I have not had much luck with the onboard intel cards, but I also have
never tried tweaking anything.
10:21 a.m.
On Tuesday, October 25, 2005, at 06:45AM, tlc <tlc(a)artemide.us> wrote:
On Tue, 2005-10-25 at 06:38 -0700, Michael Peters wrote:
> I have to recommend against using the nvidia binary driver.
> Sometimes it is good, sometimes it ain't so good.
>
> For example - I was experiencing a crash (segfault) in grep and slowness in balsa.
> When using nv.ko (the open source driver) - grep did not segfault and balsa was
fine.
>
are you certain nothing else changed? I have been using the nvidia
driver since RH7 and have never heard of anything like that.
Yup - dmesg showed it was nvidia responsible for the grep segfault - it only happened
under certain repeatable conditions (a grep of a directory that included device nodes, if
I recall)
The balsa thing was weird. Startup was really slow with the nvidia binary driver, normal
with nv.ko driver. I don't know what caused that effect.
noon
On Tuesday 25 October 2005 09:14, Rudolf Kastl wrote:
nvidia "nv" driver doesnt provide any hw acceleration at
all... go
ahead and try tux racer with software rendering ;) its fun to watch.
sure if you dont intend to run anything 3d it doesent matter...
Whereas my ATI Radion 9200SE does tuxracer just fine using the default
drivers compiled into the kernel, using x.org-6.8.1-901, home built.
My last nvidia card failed, and burnt the mobo up too. But I've since
taken that cpu, put it and the half gig of memory on a Mach-Speed board
with the onboard video disabled and a newer nvidia card in it, and its
running my milling machine fairly well using emc-4.30.
regards,
Rudolf Kastl
2005/10/24, tlc <tlc(a)artemide.us>:
> On Mon, 2005-10-24 at 15:48 +0200, Rudolf Kastl wrote:
> > if you wanna play games id seriously recommend an nvidia card.
> > price money comparison under linux will just give you more value
> > atm...
> >
> > e.g. i am pretty happy with a gforce 6200 128bit/128mb pcie for
> > just 80 euros atleast doom3 works like a charm.
> >
> > on the other hand...my work thinkpads radeon works without the need
> > to install proprietary drivers at all but for gaming... ;).
>
> the nvidia cards will work with out the proprietary drivers as well ..
> as a matter of fact they work great with the nv driver. Its just nice
> to be able to install the nvidia driver to boost performance.
>
> > i hope that should help you finding the right choice for you... also
> > if you plan to play windows games on wine... id seriously suggest
> > nvidia aswell...
> >
> > 2005/10/24, tlc <tlc(a)artemide.us>:
> > > On Mon, 2005-10-24 at 12:47 +0800, Claus Reheis wrote:
> > > > On Sun, 2005-10-23 at 11:09 -0500, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
> > > > > On Tue, Oct 04, 2005 at 16:29:39 +0200,
> > > > >
> > > > > Rakotomandimby Mihamina
<mihamina.rakotomandimby(a)etu.univ-orleans.fr> wrote:
> > > > > > Hi,
> > > > > > I am going ti buy a brand new computer, and would like to
> > > > > > know if it is better either to have a nVidia or an ATI
> > > > > > graphic card.
> > > > >
> > > > > If you were think of getting a less expensive card, the ATI
> > > > > 9200 will work with free drivers. There is a project to have
> > > > > free drivers for later ATI cards, but you should go looking
> > > > > for the current status of that project to make sure it is far
> > > > > enough along for you before committing to using a ATI model.
> > > >
> > > > If you want it easy going and you want 3D Support I would
> > > > suggest you a NVIDIA model!
> > > > I also had a good experience with cads from Intel...
> > > >
> > > > Claus
> > >
> > > nvidia
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10:48 a.m.
On Mon, 2005-10-24 at 12:47 +0800, Claus Reheis wrote:
On Sun, 2005-10-23 at 11:09 -0500, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 04, 2005 at 16:29:39 +0200,
> Rakotomandimby Mihamina <mihamina.rakotomandimby(a)etu.univ-orleans.fr>
wrote:
> > Hi,
> > I am going ti buy a brand new computer, and would like to know if it is
> > better either to have a nVidia or an ATI graphic card.
>
> If you were think of getting a less expensive card, the ATI 9200 will work
> with free drivers. There is a project to have free drivers for later ATI
> cards, but you should go looking for the current status of that project
> to make sure it is far enough along for you before committing to using a
> ATI model.
If you want it easy going and you want 3D Support I would suggest you a
NVIDIA model!
I also had a good experience with cads from Intel...
one of the considerations that i hadn't thought about until recently is
that all the recent nvidia cards have mpeg2 decoders built into them. i
believe -- dont' know for sure -- ati cards don't have them. this means
that if you get into atsc hdtv or movies, it can reduce the load on your
system.
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